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OK.... has anyone driven, seen or what ever a Bennington cart or Carriage?

They have a new 2 wheel cart that is made for minis, that is looking nice....a 4 wheel carriage that is matched and looks well matched for mini's and a carriage they call the "fun bug", not sure about mini's pulling it...granted it is a little different...be neat.

Seems like the Fun Bug is catching on in the UK? Wally...Jane.... your thoughts would be great. Anyone else would be good too.

The weight on the new mini 2 wheel cart and mini 4 wheeled carriage is quite good.

What I would love to know is ..how is the Suspension? This is the one thing that keeps me from ordering any of them. My body is now gimpyer than ever and I need a very,very comfy ride in the cart.

Web sight link is..

http://www.bennington.co.uk/carriages/newcomer.htm
 
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bump..bump... Leia...Breanna.....anyone!!
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Margot has one- not sure if it is the latest model or not.

She swears by it, I cannot stand them, so there are two opinions right away!!!

They are well sprung but seat you too high for my liking.

They are also horrendously expensive- for the price of one of these- $1600.00- I could import a meadowbrook lookalike- I would not show in anything the Bennington people have on the market and I have my easy entry carts, I do not need anymore and there are no CDE for Minis over here.
 
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OK,,,well....are they comfy? Problem...over here...they are all very spendy. Like the looks of them better than some other makers. The weights are also better than some of the other ones, too.

You are very lucky in the options you have for carts over there.

My biggest problem.. for me...it has to be very, very well sprung for my now even more gimpy body and for the mini's is weight, balance, and proportions.

Now the fun bug for a slightly bigger pony (maybe pair minis??) would be good with the terrian I drive on the property. I like that I can tow it behind my car. That has been the biggest problem meeting up with people. Some can normally take a mini or a pony..but not my cart too. So one without the other will not work. Have missed out on some good get togethers with my lack of transport.

Do you have other recommendations for carts and Carriages? :bgrin
 
hi shari :saludando:

i have been just using my Belcrown, and i suffer from fb so im my opinion, i love it!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is so comfortable

for a four wheeler have you tried cumbria carriages? they are very practical if you have a couple of kids and are leading , or just for the different look, im afriad of the jack.knive affect with a four wheeler, but im going to buy one this year, its going to be great for the dog and symone.....

goodluck!!
 
Yes, stable and safe is another thing I need. Wide enough and cut under so it is less likely to jack knife.

Do you have web links to them?
 
Shari, have you looked at the Pacific Smart Cart? It is manufactured up in B.C., and I believe there may be a stateside distributor as well? Not sure about that part. For the money, I would sure be looking at this cart. I had the chance to try one out at the VSE CDE last fall, driving a very cool pony with it. It is adjustable to fit many different sizes of mini. I just loved it and will be buying one sometime in the future.

http://www.pacificcarriage.com/smart_cart/smart_cart.html

The suspension is VERY good. A great, smooth, wonderful ride, and an attractive look, as well.
 
I am looking at a four wheeler by "Buggy Bob" that has two seats and each are set on full carriage springs like the ones from Pequea but with a light frame. The one I have seen in use has the steel wheels on it and is an older model, but it is light enough for one B mini to pull by himself. I would want to change a few things, but I love the full cut under styling and full carriage springs as well as the wheel base.

-Amy
 
Ah, I see I come to this one late. Shari, the Benningtons have been around here for awhile and you've already seen them. As Jane said, Margo has one and so does Beth on the minihorsedriving list. I know you've seen her pictures- well, that's what she drives with Moonshadow. I personally don't like the thick diameter of the shafts, the height of the seat, or how deep the seat is but that's because I'm a tiny thing and I'd be perched on the edge of the seat dangling my feet! LOL. Those are the same reasons Margo and Beth like theirs so much- for them, a deep seat is what they need. Shari, you might talk to Beth. I know she uses a Bennington because of some sort of injury that makes jouncing painful for her.

Jane, Shari is right. They are ALL expensive over here. Bellcrowns (which I know are a dime a dozen over there) are $1,795 here, the Pacific Smart Cart is $1,900 something, wooden wheeled Jeralds are over $2,000, you're just sort of stuck except for the wooden show carts from Silver Penny Farms which are both cheap and lovely.

If you are looking for a stable four-wheel vehicle I'd avoid the Fun Bug at all costs. Thomas, a brit on COTH who is the equivalent of our Jane here on LB, nearly has fits of apolexy (sp?) every time someone mentions that vehicle. He is correct that with those ridiculously tiny wheels and high center of gravity, Fun Bugs are about the WORST cross country vehicles I could imagine. I have no idea how they came up with them but I wouldn't drive one. Maybe seeing one in person would change my mind but it looks very unstable.

Clickmini, thanks for posting that new link! I kept checking but the manufacturer didn't have it up on their site yet. I will have to update my website to show the new link instead of the distributor back East. Shari, she's right that the Smart Cart is a very fine vehicle, very comfy with adjustable suspension, and might be a good choice for you. Shipping also wouldn't be awful as they are on the NW side of the Canadian border. The manufacturer brought it in person to Happ's last fall. It might be just the ticket for you.
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Leia
 
Drat...the appeal of the Fun Bug is I could tow it to places behind my car. Would give me some freedom to go meet up with you guys and have some fun.

Humm... have never seen their shafts up close....have to admit...my CRC shafts are thicker than the Easy Entry I had before this one. What is the thickness of their shaft?

I do not mind high up as so long it is well balanced. I do not mind....wide seats... My backside isn't that small any more.
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My CRC is fairly high up compaired to the easy entry I had.

The smart cart...I think weighs as much or more than my country Road cart? And only a single mini can pull it?

If I got another single cart it would have to be one that weighs at least 20lbs less than the one I have now.

Haven't heard how Margo likes her carriage...think the last time I heard about it....is she got it but had not driven in yet?

Do you have Beth's email,,,or you can let her know what I am looking for and she can email me..

I looked at the cumbria carriages site...they have a neat little 4 wheel with a buggy cover on it! Cute.

Though with their mini carriage...they have some kind of funcky what ever you call it holding the back wheel up? Nice carriages.

Even when my Broken lower back heals up...and the rest of me for that matter. Will have to get something that is smooth as a rolls.

What I am looking for is a singles cart....that is running about 80lbs...well made and very well sprung.

A 4 wheel one that will work well for me and 35" tall minis.

And if my Fjord does not sell....something for her.

Pocket is not unlimited and I know how spendy some of them are.
 
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I too have NO idea why the fun bug was even put on the market- honestly Shari you could get one made for a quarter of the cost and it would be twice as good- I am not at all convinced they have ever sold any.

I spoke to them at some length about the needs of Minis but they were only interested in selling me a cart they had, not listening.

They also tried to bamboozle me with info on their American sales (which I already knew) and tried to pressurise me into buying a cart I could not afford- and rang me back the next day to try again.

I was NOT impressed!!!
 
I sympathize Shari and hate to say it, but you aren't going to find anything that is 80lbs, easy to sit, AND well-sprung unless you have good suspension added to a Frontier cart. The show carts are about that weight, you could buy a Graber wooden-wheeled cart with a seat back and springs but you wouldn't be gaining much over your current vehicle except a little bit less weight. Other than that, a Bellcrown is the next closest thing. They are 100lbs with 23" steel wheels and have torsion axles like my Edgeman cart. I can't vouch for the ride as I haven't gotten to try one.

Honestly, I know the 120lb carts feel really heavy (I have one) but Kody can haul it just fine when he's in condition and Maggie is bigger than he is. The plain fact is that most carts with suspension and seat backs and all that sort of thing are going to be around that weight range; that's just the cost of the materials. If you make sure the cart is balanced and give them a good harness to pull with-- which you have-- you aren't going to do a whole lot better. Big wheels help, so does lower draft. Remember, yours is 120lbs WITH wooden wheels! That's not bad. It means with pneumatics it would be about 100lbs, which isn't bad at all.

That isn't to say there aren't things you can do to lighten the load, and customizing a Frontier is actually a possibility if you know a welder. Hmm, I may have to ponder that myself! LOL. Let us know how it goes and I'll keep you up to date on my own experiments. It's spring and you know that means I have stuff in the works! :bgrin Have to make changes so I can tell one show season's pictures from another, after all.
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Leia
 
Leia,, I know. I talked with the Pacific carriage guy at Albany last year about a mini cart.

He was in the process in making then. He said he was trying to make it very light with good suspention on it....but he honestly did not think he could do it/get it as light as he wanted.

Saw one of his 4 wheel carriages..though it was full sized horses. Looked nice and sturdy.

You are also right... what I need to do is heal, so I can go out there and get Maggie in shape and me for that matter. Though have to admit over the years,,,the ah,,,middle age spread has struck. Kept it basically under control because I was active. Not any more...
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My CRC is a sweet cart.

Jane, Wally basically told me about another model,,that she did not know why they made it.

Think it could be a good idea with some modification.

I know the Working Pioneer Forecarts are used with the Farmers here. Might looking into that if my Fjord doesn't sell. Isn't pretty but I can both drive pleasure and do some farm chores around here with it.

So any opinion on the cumbria carriages? They do look nice. How is both the pair mini one and the one for Pony's the size of a Fjord?

Leia, remember to contact Beth to let her know I am interested in why that carriage works for her. Need to talk to Margo too.

Will be doing a lot of brain picking and research before I order anything.

Also any recommendations on 4 wheel carriages for minis would be appreacated.
 
I have a Pacific Smart Cart on order. I know, really expensive, but I love the idea of the adjustability, especially in seat height as my frontier easy entry sits too low for me and my bum knees get so sore on long drives. I am wanting to trail drive more, so I went ahead and bit the bullet. It should be shipping in a few weeks.
 
Once you get it and use it!! Tell us how you like it...and remember pictures!
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Question... I don't remember. But do they make a 4 wheel carriage for minis?
 
Sorry to be 'weighing in' late-I have been nearly overwhelmed with the work of caring for my horses and place with the weather here since just after Christmas(volume of snow, drifting of snow, removal of snow, now unbelievable ice in the AMs, mud in the PMs--to do much of anything but collapse in a bone-tired heap at the end of each day....there is no question but that I have to reduce the number of horses I keep this year--I can't continue to do this; it is darn near killing me.

Excuse the whine....as for the Bennington? I REALLY like it, though I don't think it, or any other cart I've seen OR tried(including Bellcrown, which I've driven) is 'perfect'!! It weighs no more than the 110 lbs. that was stated(shipping weight, in its metal 'shipping framework' and shrinkwrap, was 142 lbs., and I can testify that the framework weighs every bit of 30 + lbs., !!) I have no problem at ALL with the "fat" shafts;in fact, I like the ease and range of adjustment - there are three adjustments for the height of the shafts - and the 'goose neck' shape of the shafts - it makes the cart very manueverable. However, it was a bit of a challenge to cut the shafts down to the proper length. I also LOVE the deep(front to back) seat; it is VERY comfortable! And, the seat is wide enough to comfortably accomodate two normal-sized adults, if need be. The Frontiers, and actually, most other carts I've seen, esp. any kind of easy entry(except Bellcrown, which also has a nice deep seat)are very shallow, front to back; such a configuration is to me very tiring and makes the backs of my thighs ache on a drive of any length. There is also plenty of leg room in the Benny-notably more so than in a Frontier or the Frontier 'knockoffs' I've seen. Nowadays, of course, shipping on ANY cart/carriage is apt to be expensive; shipping across the US may well be as expensive as shipping clear across the ocean! The Benny has half elliptical springs, a pretty standard suspension-and the metal wheels are just under 24" diameter. It rides quite comfortably-as well as, if not better than, my Pequea road cart(which is identical to yours, Shari-they were made by brothers!)HOWEVER, I have to add that I have yet to ride in ANY carriage, two wheels or four, that 'glides' over uneven surfaces-and am not at all sure that it is really possible, so you should be prepared to be realistic about the quality of the ride of any vehicle, Shari. Certainly better suspensioned vehicles 'buffer' the bumps better than the likes of a coil-springed Frontier(the hydraulic suspension of the 'Eazy Rider' carts, which look much like Frontiers, as they started out as a Frontier 'knockoff, is supposed to be their big 'selling point'-but they still have some of the Frontiers' other drawbacks, like the shallow seat and basket, IMO....so....as I said before, I don't believe ANY of them are truly as 'perfect' as their builders might like us to think!!) I like the Benny's 'high' seating position, but will concede that it is a pretty good step up into the basket-the biggest drawback to the Benny, IMO. I do think that the Benny is really best for 34-40" horses; though it can be used for smaller horses, it is better proportioned to the size range I mentioned, IMO. I have driven it almost exclusively to my 38" mare; have hooked it only once to one of my 34"horses-who had no problem pulling it on a trail which goes both up and downhill. I will tell you that there were a couple of 'quality control' issues with my Benny that weren't taken seriously by either the US dealer or Bennington UK-most were relatively minor, and I was able to deal with them myself, but I ended up not very satisfied with their customer service attitude. The price, about 15 months ago, wasn't cheap, but was comparable with some of the products Leia mentioned-and was several hundred less than the price of the new Pacific.

The "Fun Bug" isn't made in a size for minis; like others, I don't think I'd want one. Pacific, as yet, at least, doesn't make a 4 wheel for minis. I have a Glinkowski 4 wheeler, and I DO like it! I got the "Mini Mix" marathon style, not the wagonette style. It came with both a pair pole and my choice of shafts for a single; however, I don't think I would ask anything under 38" to pull it as a single, and am not sure even one that size would be comfortable pulling it. I have not actually tried hooking it to a single - not sure I will ever try, as I really got it as a pair vehicle. BTW, I am 99% certain that either Glinkowski, or the American dealer for same, told me that Hartland is just the name for the British dealer for Glinkowski, so they actually built Wally's lovely new mini wagonette....in fact, just recently I read that something like 90% of carriages made on the European continent are made within a certain area of Poland...no matter what the 'brand name'!

Having driven both the Bellcrown and the Bennington, I would incorporate features of both into my "ideal" mini EE vehicle, I think! Pacific has an excellent reputation, and I'm sure will also be a quite satisfactory vehicle, albeit pricey, IMO. I am quite satisfied, however, with my Bennington as a tough, well-built, and comfortable vehicle that suits my needs.

FWIW.....

Falling over with fatigue-goodnight, all!

Margo
 
Thank you Margo,,is all food for thought. What I meant with the suspension...is what ever I look for next, has to be as smooth as my Country road cart. Is alot more smooth than many other carts.

When I lived in NH it was easy to go to the two Carriage and harness shops that were in the state at that time and try what I wanted to buy.

Here... I have to buy it.. cold turkey and hope it is what I was hoping for.

The 4 wheel will be for a pair of Mini's too pull...would never ask them to pull it as a single.

If my Fjord mare sells... I have my eye on a taller cart trained mini....will just have to wait and see what happens.

So the Lessing....is basically the same as benny and belcrwn?

Did hear about the lack of costumer service with the Benny dealer from someone..so you are not alone.

Everyone has given me lots of things to think about.

Another Question.... does anyone have or know somone that has the Eaglet? Know my spelling is off...anyway...it is made in the USA. What I see in the catalogue is a good price...but by the time you add on what the ones in europe have standard..it is as or more spendy that the ones from Europe.

Am very curious on how it rides.
 
Once you get it and use it!! Tell us how you like it...and remember pictures!
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My smart cart arrived today on a truck from Canada. It weighs 105 pounds with the steel wheels. The suspension is amazing with little air bags on the axle that can be adjusted to the weight needed for each driver (and passenger). I have driven the cart (one of the first demo models) behind a 40 inch pony and now have it adjusted to pull behind our 33 inch stallion. Yes, it is spendy, but is classy enough to go into the show ring, and sturdy enough to go across round terrain. There are several dealers in the states; one in Grants Pass, OR allowed me to demo the cart in competition this fall. He is probably the same dealer that was at Albany, OR last spring. The cart comes apart for easy "packing" and can quickly be put back together when you arrive at a destination. Just something to think about.

Dorothy
 
Just a side note, the tortion suspention pieces can be ordered from Northern tool, and could be easily added to an existing cart . also they could be installed in an adjustable mannor so that you could get any ride hight you wanted. one of the problems in getting a smoothe ride is weight. a cadilac gets its ride quality from its heavy body. one of our desires is keeping the load down so our minis arent overloaded. this will add to our stiff ride. you might try adding a weak shock absorber . [ but this also adds weight.] good luck DR.
 

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