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I just brought home my new mini yesterday! :aktion033: He was gelded last Monday. He looks a little thin, was off his food for a couple of days I was told, but is eating fine now. I need to put some weight back on him. I feed my other mini 1/4 cup of Purina Mare and Maintance, twice a day, plus 1/4 cup BOSS and that works great on him. I am trying to switch the new little guy to that, he was fed 3/4 cup sweet feed twice a day. Yesterday I added just a little of my Purina to his sweet feed, but don't 3/4 cup of sweet feed, sound like to much? He only weighs 120 lbs. Coat is dull and dry. I really don't want to go buy a 50# bag of sweet feed to mix for only a week or so, I was given 2 cups to help wean off, til I can give him my Purina and BOSS. But that don't seem like enough time
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: , or is it? Would you go a head and feed him,1/2 cup of Purina and 1/4 of BOSS, or does that seem like to much? My other guy weighs 150# and they both will get free hay. Which the new guy only got a flake in morning and one at night. They will be out in pasture all day too, and stalled at night. Ijust don't want to make to many changes all at once but I can feel his ribs and he does look alot thinner than when I saw him 3 weeks ago. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. THANKS in advance!
 
It doesn't sound like nearly enough grain to me for any of the horses.

3/4 of a cup of grain around here wouldn't be enough to keep a bird alive.

Have you weighed your grain on a scale to see just how many pounds that is equal too?

Turn your cup measurement into pounds and see the difference.

You should try it. Measuring out grain by cups can be decieving. Use a weigh scale. You can pick one up at Walmart or a postage scale at Staples.

(sidenote): I don't consider BOSS as anything else but a supplement.
 
I'd give him a week of gradual change over and increase of whatever feed you are going to give him. I also think "free choice" hay isn't a bad idea for him at this point, even with his pasture time.

BOSS will help his coat. And you can bet that someone will also recommend adding Beet Pulp to his diet. It sure won't hurt, but just basic gradually increasing his grain and hay consumption will work too. (BTW, you might also hear from someone that sweet feed isn't as good as some others..... I personally prefer to feed either Purina Strategy or Blue Ribbon Senior, which isn't so high in mollasass, but has plenty of fat content.)

Just my 2 cents.......

MA

PS: Marty has a point about the amount of grain. On average -- the horses that we grain, we feed about 2 cups per horse just to "maintain".
 
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Martys a wise woman, take her advice.

Mine that are around that weight get way, way more food than that. I don't know how old your horses are in relation to mine or I'd tell you in cups and weight what I feed.
 
yeah 1/2 of a cup of grain is NOTHING. My horses would die.

My horses on average get 3 cups of grain morning and night, and 6 cups of beet pulp, PLUS 3 lbs of orchardgrass hay which gives them hay at all times in front of them.

You need to bump it up............especially when trying to GAIN weight
 
I just brought home my new mini yesterday! :aktion033: He was gelded last Monday. He looks a little thin, was off his food for a couple of days I was told, but is eating fine now. I need to put some weight back on him. I feed my other mini 1/4 cup of Purina Mare and Maintance, twice a day, plus 1/4 cup BOSS and that works great on him. I am trying to switch the new little guy to that, he was fed 3/4 cup sweet feed twice a day. Yesterday I added just a little of my Purina to his sweet feed, but don't 3/4 cup of sweet feed, sound like to much? He only weighs 120 lbs. Coat is dull and dry. I really don't want to go buy a 50# bag of sweet feed to mix for only a week or so, I was given 2 cups to help wean off, til I can give him my Purina and BOSS. But that don't seem like enough time
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: , or is it? Would you go a head and feed him,1/2 cup of Purina and 1/4 of BOSS, or does that seem like to much? My other guy weighs 150# and they both will get free hay. Which the new guy only got a flake in morning and one at night. They will be out in pasture all day too, and stalled at night. Ijust don't want to make to many changes all at once but I can feel his ribs and he does look alot thinner than when I saw him 3 weeks ago. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. THANKS in advance!
How much hay or forage are you feeding in addition to the grain portion of the diet? I know Mare and Maintenance is a ration balancer type feed, so not much is needed. But to determine if he's getting enough we need to know what he's getting for hay (cubes, pellets, whatever it is that you feed for the forage portion of his diet).

I feed Progressive Nutrition grass balancer and grass hay. Each mini gets the appropriate amount of PN pellets for their age and weight; all get pretty much free choice grass hay (it's winter and I live in Montana).

For Example: my 3 year old mini mare that weighs about 350# gets 1/2 pound of PN pellets (about 1.5 cups) per day plus her hay. My yearling filly that weighs about 150# gets 1.5# PN pellets (about 4 cups) plus hay per day. They both look very good on these amounts. Come summer I'll adjust the hay portion of their diet to reflect the warmer weather, then they'll get about 1.5%-2% of their body weight per day of hay (for the 350# mare thats 5-7 pounds per day give or take a little). [the cups listed for the PN is my best guess, as I feed by weight not cups; I use a scoop with oz of PN marked on the side to measure with]
 
I just brought home my new mini yesterday! :aktion033: He was gelded last Monday. He looks a little thin, was off his food for a couple of days I was told, but is eating fine now. I need to put some weight back on him. I feed my other mini 1/4 cup of Purina Mare and Maintance, twice a day, plus 1/4 cup BOSS and that works great on him. I am trying to switch the new little guy to that, he was fed 3/4 cup sweet feed twice a day. Yesterday I added just a little of my Purina to his sweet feed, but don't 3/4 cup of sweet feed, sound like to much? He only weighs 120 lbs. Coat is dull and dry. I really don't want to go buy a 50# bag of sweet feed to mix for only a week or so, I was given 2 cups to help wean off, til I can give him my Purina and BOSS. But that don't seem like enough time
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: , or is it? Would you go a head and feed him,1/2 cup of Purina and 1/4 of BOSS, or does that seem like to much? My other guy weighs 150# and they both will get free hay. Which the new guy only got a flake in morning and one at night. They will be out in pasture all day too, and stalled at night. Ijust don't want to make to many changes all at once but I can feel his ribs and he does look alot thinner than when I saw him 3 weeks ago. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. THANKS in advance!
Thanks to all who responded! Can you recommend a horse food that would be better than Mare and Maintance? I see that Strategy was mentioned is that better? I have been to various feed stores, they all tell me something different. Went to a Purina seminar, that's who recommended Mare and Maintance. I am willing to change feed if needed on new little guy. Just fed and he is really thin. Vet coming on Monday.
 
Mare and Maintenance is indeed a ration balancer, perfectly fine to be fed by itself to horses not needing the extra calories or starches found in grains. However, these products were really designed to be a supplement to forage and straight grains - especially oats. If your horse is underweight to begin with, then the Mare & Maintenance should be used as a supplement to the diet which could be primarily hay if you like, or you could add grain, either sweet feed, oats, or other commercial products.

Regarding: BOSS. This will provide some extra calories, most of which will come from fat, but has a low to moderate mineral profile, so shouldn't be thought of as a high nutrient source when fed in the small amounts (1/4 cup or so per day) that we give our minis.

Regarding Beet pulp: Yep, you know I would recommend this for any underweight horse. It is a very safe calorie source in that it can be fed in very satisfying (to the horse) amounts without fear of laminitis or founder such as might be the case when feeding large volumes of grains or grain products.

Sweet feeds or any other grains will provide calories and nutrients, and can be fed at volumes needed by the individual horse. Obviously a horse who is underweight or in hard work should be able to utilize the higher calorie level provided by grains than the easy keeper, maintenance horse who converts those extra calories to fat.

That being said, I am going to shock some of the above posters and tell you that even my horses shown at the national level are only fed 1 cup of a ration balancer at each feeding and if any grain at all, it's just a handful of straight oats. They get a variety of other supplements as well as beet pulp and probably more hay than the average person feeds their show horses (plus pasture....eegads!) and they are still very competitive. Don't get me wrong -- I don't have anything against graining horses WHEN THEY NEED IT (like yours probably does), but the only thing that gets 2-3 cups of grain per feeding at my farm is late gestation/early nursing moms. If I fed any of my other horses in those volumes (8-12 oz per feeding), they wouldn't fit through their stall doors. BUT that is at MY farm....not yours!

So....while many minis may need grain at higher levels due to their metabolism and/or exercise schedules, not ALL minis do. It's important to remember that horses should be fed as the individuals they are -- some will need more and some will need less feed, hay, grass, calories, fat, protein -- even when they are of the same age and at the same level of exercise. Basic metabolism will dictate how they utilize the feed they are given. It's very similar to humans where one person can eat ice cream every night and never gain an ounce, in fact may STRUGGLE to keep weight on.....while another person can LOOK at ice cream and feel like they gain 5 lbs. Similarly, we can't generalize with our horses and say that ALL horses NEED grain or that 3/4 cup of grain isn't enough. 3/4 cup may indeed be not enough for YOUR horse, but may be too much for MY horse. In addition, feeds differ, so 3/4 cup of one feed is not the nutritional equivalent (vitamins, minerals, fat, protein, calories) to 3/4 cup of another feed...... in the same way that a cup of ice cream differs from a cup of yogurt -- both dairy products, but with a very different nutrient profile.

Bottom line, 3/4 cup of sweet feed (or other grain) may indeed be enough for your horse -- then again it may not. At this point, feeding free choice hay is wise approach as you experiment with the amounts of grain your horse needs to gain weight. You may not even notice a change in his weight until around the 30 day mark at any rate. And while the Mare & Maintenance is providing plenty of good vitamins/minerals and some protein, and the hay will add nutrients and calories, too, it may still not be enough. As such, you may want to provide an additional calorie source over and above these two items. If you'd rather not use sweet feed as a calorie source, you might consider straight oats, beet pulp, BOSS, vegetable oil, flax or a combination of those items. Take some "before" photos, and then take some more in about 30 days to gauge his response to the additional food.

Robin C
 
Thanks to all who responded! Can you recommend a horse food that would be better than Mare and Maintance? I see that Strategy was mentioned is that better? I have been to various feed stores, they all tell me something different. Went to a Purina seminar, that's who recommended Mare and Maintance. I am willing to change feed if needed on new little guy. Just fed and he is really thin. Vet coming on Monday.
I don't feed it, but have heard that the Mare & Maintenance is a good feed.

Do tell us what you are feeding for forage and how much. Are you feeding grass hay? Alfalfa? Mix? Forage cubes or pellets? This information will be useful in helping to figure out what you may or may not need in your feed program.

Also, How old is your new guy? I didn't see it in your first post.
 
Thanks to all who responded! Can you recommend a horse food that would be better than Mare and Maintance? I see that Strategy was mentioned is that better? I have been to various feed stores, they all tell me something different. Went to a Purina seminar, that's who recommended Mare and Maintance. I am willing to change feed if needed on new little guy. Just fed and he is really thin. Vet coming on Monday.
I don't feed it, but have heard that the Mare & Maintenance is a good feed.

Do tell us what you are feeding for forage and how much. Are you feeding grass hay? Alfalfa? Mix? Forage cubes or pellets? This information will be useful in helping to figure out what you may or may not need in your feed program.

Also, How old is your new guy? I didn't see it in your first post.
Sorry forgot that, he will be 2 in April, I also give free hay, which is mostly grass hay. Purina recomended Mare and Maintannce for my other mini, who will be 4 in April, because he was getting a little over weight, they are the ones who figured out 1/4 cup of feed twice daily. Now I'm afraid I haven't been feeding enough! He has been doing great though on that 1/4 cup, and all the free hay, and maintaining a good weight. But this little guy might need something different, if Mare and Maintance won't do the trick, will get whatever I need for him!!
 
Sorry forgot that, he will be 2 in April, I also give free hay, which is mostly grass hay. Purina recomended Mare and Maintannce for my other mini, who will be 4 in April, because he was getting a little over weight, they are the ones who figured out 1/4 cup of feed twice daily. Now I'm afraid I haven't been feeding enough! He has been doing great though on that 1/4 cup, and all the free hay, and maintaining a good weight. But this little guy might need something different, if Mare and Maintance won't do the trick, will get whatever I need for him!!
As always, Robin C, posted great information on feeding in her post above.

If you are feeding free choice grass hay, then the new guy is probably getting plenty of hay. And, you say your other mini is doing fine on the Mare & Maintenance. I say if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Since, the new guy needs to gain a little more weight and is still growing some at only 2, he may need more of the Mare & Maintenance than your other does; and he may also need some supplemental oats (read the bag on the MM to see what they say you can add to it for additional calories). The label on the Mare & Maintenance, probably states how much to feed for what weight and age group; you should be able to figure the correct amount for your new little guy. Oh, and don't forget, when changing or increasing feeds, to do it slowly.

You could always try contacting your Purina rep or use the Purina website and inquire about the amount of Mare & Maintenance to feed your new guy.
 

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