Hoof Supplement and Grey and Appy color question

[Windhaven]

Hi everyone

I am looking for the best hoof supplement for making the hooves grow.

I know this has been discussed and I was using a hoof supplement but my farrier said to stop that because it just made the hooves harder and caused more chipping.

Now for color questions.

To get a grey horse you must have one gray parent or gene? What is the odds of getting a grey with the only grey (1 grey) in its background is 5 generations back?

Now the horse I am talking about looks grey. No visible appy characteristics. I don't know what color she was when she was born. She has a lot of appy in the background on her dams side.

How many appy's go totally white? Could she possibly be a appy who was born white ? She has had four foals and none are grey. There is also one horse in her background listed as a white appy (AWT).

Curious as to what the color experts think.

 

[Minimor]

To get a grey horse you must have one gray parent or gene? What is the odds of getting a grey with the only grey (1 grey) in its background is 5 generations back?

What color were the parents of this horse? If the horse doesn't have a grey parent, then it cannot be grey--if the only grey in the pedigree is 5 generations back then they grey gene cannot be present in this horse--because grey cannot hide.
However, if you don't know this horse's parents personally or haven't seen pictures of them at maturity and are just working off of the colors listed on the pedigree then grey is a possibility. Keep in mind that colors are very often wrong on the registration papers (silver bays get registered as chestnut, chestnuts get registered as silver bay, silver bay gets registered as palomino, greys get registered as many different colors, because often the grey hasn't shown up yet when the foal is registered, and then later no one bothers to get the color changed on the papers.... Also, if you saw the parents of this horse when they were, say, 2 or 3 years old and they weren't grey then, it's possible that they greyed out later--often the grey coloring does show up at a young age, but there are some horses that are later in greying out.

Also, there are some sabinos that get registered as grey--I have at least one of those here--they breeder called him grey when in fact he is a sabino roan (as is his sire--another horse that is referred to as grey by many)...is it possible that the horse you're referring to is a sabino roan that has so many roan hairs that he looks grey?

 

[targetsmom]

There is now a color test for gray, so for $25 you could find out if the mare is gray, assuming she is yours or you could get some mane or tail hairs to test.

 

[ohmt]

You can't have grey without either the sire or dam being grey-it is a dominant gene so does not hide.

Your horse is either A)appaloosa or B) sabino overo

does she have mottling? sclera? striped hooves

 

[Windhaven]

Well I am a stickler for correct color . I have been in minis long enough to know that colors can be deceiving and a lot of times incorrect in the stud book.

No this horse is not mine but I am looking at an off spring by it.

I do know most of the horses on the sires side of this horse and the colors are correct.

Sire - SCS

Grand sire and dam - also SCS

Dam - ANB

Grandsire - ABK

Granddam - SSR

Grand parents - ADN, SWT, AWT, ASR

There is very little pintos in this horse's background and they are 4 to 5 generations back.

I am guessing thisis an appy. What the base color is the question. Also, since I am not familiar with appy coloring, I was wondering if it could be a totally white appy?

Foals are:

Solid black (but has some roaning)

Solid Palomino

Pinto Sorrel

Pinto Black

So what are your thoughts now.

 

[ohmt]

I would go with appaloosa too

I have a chestnut varnish appaloosa mare that is completely white-she does have a little bit of solid coloring around her knees and face but that's it. When she was born she was 100% dark chestnut-I wish I had foal pictures of her for you!

Her dam was a solid chestnut with ZERO appaloosa background

Sire was a black snowcap appaloosa

Hope this helps!

Quick question...what color were the sires of her pinto foals?

 

[Windhaven]

PBK foal - sire is PBA

PSR foal - sire is LBA (not sure what this color is)

Forgot to add that I don't see any appy characteristics from the picture.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Sue_C.]

Yes, some appy roans can look very much like a gray horse, but if you look closely, you can usually find the other appy characteristics. This mare was born a sold bay dun, and by the time she was three she was starting to appy roan. she even looked PINK for several years before going beige...and now is almost "white" with a few varnish marks still visible.

 

[Lucky-C-Acres-Minis]

I'm betting on varnish appy too.. I've got a black based varnish/snowcap mare that looks "grey" with her roaning:

 

[Windhaven]

Well this horse does not look even close to either of the horses pictured here. This horse looks solid white (no pink skin), with maybe a few light spots on her back/rump area. Does not appear to have any appy characteristics. That is why I am so stumped over the color.

I have e-mailed for more color information on this horse. Will let you know what I find out.

 

[Bess Kelly]

Is she PQ'd ?

I do think the appy roaning is working for the color.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I'm betting she's a varnish roan appy. I had a bay varnish mare that was just lightly roaned when I bought her as a 4 year old. By the time I sold her as a 10 year old, she was totally white, with just the V on her face, and a little color on her legs. I couldn't convince people she wasn't gray!

I have a daughter of hers now that's a black varnish roan snowcap, and she's almost white as a 6 year old. People say, ' I love that gray mare'!

Melba

 

[Sue_C.]

What colour was she born? If there is appy on both sides, and she was born solid white with those few spots, she could be a few spot. Otherwise, perhaps there is gray in either her sire or dam, but is misrepresented as "roan". ?? I do know of a breeder here in our neck of the woods who constantly breeds their gray mares to a true roan stallion "to get more chance of producing roans".

I also know of more than one breeder who registers graying foals as "roans", and neither parent is a true roan at all...but true gray.

Do you have up to date photos of the sire and dam...or the horse in question, from birth till now?

 

[yellerroseintx]

I can't help you with the color issue but I do have a suggestion for a hoof supplement' I have been using REMISSION on 3 of my horses...one a foundered mare and the other two..very over weight.....I never thought anything about the others feet but I noticed one day about a month after starting..the fat girls feet looked like they were polished.....lots of new growth and lovely hooves!!! Even the foundered mare hooves look healthier...I am real happy with the results...

 

[Windhaven]

I have heard about Remission. Thanks for the recommendation. I will be sure to get it and try it.

As for the color of the horse. I am going to find out what color she was at birth. I do have one recent photo and she looks totally white, but there are shadows on her rump and back that look like spots. But other wise she is white.

No appy on her sires side. Only appy on the dams side.

 

[HGFarm]

Any way she could be a very light silver? My neighbors have one that was born chestnut or silver bay looking and when clipped off, now looks white! But he is born this way, he didnt gray out. They were concerned about his mottled nose but this horse has NO appy breeding and silvers can also be mottled.

I have seen so many horses misregistered as folks were not clear on the color..... I am thinking I would do some testing if I was serious about buying offspring. Have you seen any baby pics of the dam? Grays are usually born jet black, bay or can be chestnut, and then gray out with age. Some within six months, but some take years, depending on the horse.

I dont think I would want to second guess and then be disappointed with what I had later. Crazy, isn't it?