Liquid Ivermectin

[MountainMeadows]

OK ya'll -- a couple of months ago I posted about getting some new bottles of Equavalan (liquid Ivermectin) and on the box was a big pink warning saying that it must be used within 4 hours of opening and the balance discarded.

Well, I went thru a bottle really quickly - like in about 6 hours, and went to see if purchasing any new product would carry the same warning and it seems like it is becomming a big deal and all the different online companies are showing the disclaimer and some are not even carrying the product

Just wondering did anyone else run into this lately? Any word from any of the vets out there? Apparently the liquid was having problems with the main ingredient "settling out" and thereby makine the bottom of the bottle extremely "potent" - ie very dangerous.

Thanks for any feeback you can give -

Stacy

 

[Jill]

Stacy --

In case this helps you or others, or in case someone can (finally) enlighten me, I've never understood that the liquid is a savings. I've done the math and I still don't get it so I may be overlooking something (?). I buy "generic" ivermectin called Bimectin. It is a clear gel that i harder for them to spit out BUT they don't even try because it is apple flavored and some of them will beg me for more as if it's a treat. It is the same strength as name brand ivermectin but it is less than $3/tube and a tube does 1250 pounds of horse. So easily 4 minis can be done and @ the current price of $2.94/tube, it makes it less than 75 cents a head. I order it from Jeffers, where you get free shipping on orders over $60 or so.

Jill

 

[Floridachick]

Personally splitting tubes of Ivermectin on a few minis is very dangerous. ALL of the dose can be given the one. The liguid Ivermec is much more accurate and can be dosed exact. We weigh all of our dogs, minis, cats, etc and do everyone the same day. Then I donate the rest to a friend if I won't use it.

I wish they would just make smaller dose dewormer tubes!

 

[Jill]

Personally splitting tubes of Ivermectin on a few minis is very dangerous. ALL of the dose can be given the one. The liguid Ivermec is much more accurate and can be dosed exact. We weigh all of our dogs, minis, cats, etc and do everyone the same day. Then I donate the rest to a friend if I won't use it.

I wish they would just make smaller dose dewormer tubes!

Actually, as a miniature horse owner, it's important to realize that Ivermectin has an extremely high over dose threshold. This is well established and documented.

Personally, I have 20 or so horses and have been deworming for about 15 years. Only once have I had a tube "slip" (due to my own error). Luckily, it is not dangerous to give a mini a whole tube of Ivermectin. My own goal is to infact "overdose" by giving each horse enough ivermectin to deworm an animal 100# more than I think they actually weigh. With ivermectin, too little does no good, but too much will not hurt.

Another important note regarding ivermectin is that it can be fatally toxic to some individuals in certain herding dog breeds or crosses... remember the rhyme "white feet, don't treat."

 

[disneyhorse]

I agree with Jill. Splitting tubes of Ivermectin is not "dangerous"... Ivermectin you can accidentally overdose up to ten times the horses' body weights I think. I have had it happen a couple of times (with certain brands that have rings that don't lock well) with no adverse reactions. In fact, MOST horses are not the body weight on the syringe dose, they are occasionally under (ponies) or over (warmbloods or draft) so I have always just dosed slightly over the body weight (always overdose, never underdose).

Andrea

 

[rabbitsfizz]

No, Ivermectin is OK...all the people I know split tubes regularly.

I have no experience of liquid ivermectin as I can't get hold of it, it seems to have been taken off the market, here, so maybe it did have dangers but, honestly, how hard is it to shake a bottle really well before using??

It's the same with fenbendazole, I only use the liquid and buy it by the five litre bottles, that settles and needs shaking up before using it...seems like common sense to me???

 

[BeckyG]

I buy "generic" ivermectin called Bimectin. It is a clear gel that i harder for them to spit out BUT they don't even try because it is apple flavored and some of them will beg me for more as if it's a treat.

I actually tried Bimectin just last weekend. And like Jill’s horses.... Some of mine seemed to Really Like it!!

But, then I have others that must just want to Not cooperate... “Based on Principal “(LOL).

Anyway.... The tube slipped twice on me. The 1st time I figured I had not locked it well enough.

But the 2nd time, I decided it must be because the “dosing ring thingy” is not as sturdy as other brand tubes.

But what I did then, was measure the proper dosage into a 5cc syringe. And give it to the “difficult ones” from the syringe.

It actually worked very well. (As Jill mentioned... It is a clear gel... and it was the right consistency to apply that way.)

And..... I like using the small syringe much better than the tube. So.... I plan to continue using the Bimectin with a syringe.

I have never used liquid...... But talking about the different forms of Ivermectin........ For the “fighters”, I would like to use Iverease "feed".

I cannot find it anymore. Does anyone know what’s the deal with Iverease??

 

[MountainMeadows]

Thanks everyone - looks like I will be stocking up on the paste/gel stuff! Hopefully I will get more into my horses than what I will no doubt have all over me -- usually worming day is a guaranteed trip to the washer for my barn coat & sweat pants when I use the paste stuff, that is why I copped out and started using the liquid - seemed to get more into the horses than on me when I used that.

Well, maybe they will actually like the apple flavored stuff - that would be a treat!

Thanks again,

Stacy

 

[sedeh]

I loved using the liquid Ivermectin....so easy to dose! But I haven't been able to get it recently either. I actually split the tubes of paste Ivermectin into seperate syringes so I don't accidently overdose.

 

[Reble]

I actually split the tubes of paste Ivermectin into seperate syringes so I don't accidently overdose.

Have not tried it, but wonder if a small piece of duck tape

might help behind the dial?

 

[wildoak]

I've never used the liquid either, but have been splitting tubes of paste or gel for as long as I've had miniatures with no ill effects. I find that as long as I hold their heads up for a minute to let the paste/gel adhere to the inside of their mouths, I'm okay. I have very little problem with them spitting it out (now the big mare is another story but at 16 hands she can get out of my reach LOL).

I buy which Ivermectin that Jeffers or Valley Vet has on special, usually $2 something a tube, and then once or twice a year I splurge and do the tapeworm treatment as well - big spending at more like $10 a tube.

Jan