papers back from AMHR

[yellerroseintx]

well..imagine my surprise when I opened my black appaloosa fillys papers and they listed her as a buckskin appy...hhhmmmm..mom is a grey appaloosa..dad is a bay varnish appaloosa... I thought she might be a grey but the color around her eyes turned a golden color which I thought was just sun bleached...now I am confused...guess I will have to test her and see..what do you think? It doesn't show up too well but you can see the gold color around her nose...

 

[JMS Miniatures]

I love it when AMHR can decide which color they are and they turn out wrong and you have to resend it back in. I would try and send them back now before you have to pay for a color change.

They may have picked her as buckskin cause of the gold coming out and the really black legs and the slight dorsal stripe going down her back. She will be very fun to pick on what color she is. My guess is she is a black varnish. Do you have pictures of her as a baby that shows she was born black? I would send that into AMHR if you have a picture and show them that this horse is black.

 

[ontherisefarm]

If you dont agree with thier choice I would definitely send them back.. My pick on color though would be bay not black. In my experience my black foals never got that light around the muzzle and eyes when they bleached out.JMO She is a pretty girl though !!

 

[cretahillsgal]

At first glance she kinda does look like a buckskin. But I am guessing that she is really a bay with the appy coming thru. Not buckskin because there is not a history of buckskin with the parents. Then again I guess the grey mare could be hiding buckskin.

So fun trying to guess! And frustrating too! I would color test her for black and agouti. If you think there may be a chance she could be carrying cream then go for that one too.

 

[minimomNC]

So I have a question, since the mare is a known fading grey, could she also carry the dulute gene which would be covered by the grey gene and produce a buckskin when bred to a bay? I know grey doesn't always happen from a grey parent so I was wondering if another gene could show up. Just curious.

 

[yellerroseintx]

Here she is as a baby..looks like a little gorilla

 

[HGFarm]

She looks black or black bay to me!! Just a bit sunbleached on a bit of her hair! But NOT buckskin! Maybe send a foal pic and a couple of others back in with the paperwork?

 

[cretahillsgal]

Those baby, baby pics certainly don't look like buckskin. Black or black bay like HG said.

That said I have a stallion who is lab tested to be buckskin and now looks ALOT like the older pics of your girl. But at birth it was evident that he was buckskin.

Minimom, it is possible that the mare could be carrying cream, but hiding it with the grey gene.

 

[cretahillsgal]

Here is what my Pride looked like as a yearling last year.

But this is what he looked like as a newborn.

He lab tested Ee, Aa, crCr. No appy at all in his background.

 

[yellerroseintx]

so what should I test for?

I am curious when foals have a dorsal that IS counter shading as with a lot of Bays...when do they disappear?? If it stays than she carries a dun factor...correct?

 

[Miniv]

This is definitely a case of having a color test done......And if the registry is wrong....they better NOT CHARGE you for a color change!

If your kid is a buckskin appy, they need to look and see that neither one of the parents has a listed CREAM GENE.

The line on her back could easily be from Bay Counter Shading which would fade. Two tests to consider would be the Cream and Dun. You already know about the Appy and the Bay.

If you do color testing, let us know!

 

[JMS Miniatures]

so what should I test for?

I am curious when foals have a dorsal that IS counter shading as with a lot of Bays...when do they disappear?? If it stays than she carries a dun factor...correct?

Not necessarly. I had a liver chestnut gelding that had a dorsal line down his back every year he was clipped. It defintelly got lighter from a baby but you could still see it. No way he was a dun because both parents were black pintos.

 

[yellerroseintx]

who has a test for dun??? I did not know there was one available...course sometimes I live in a box...HA! yes I will post the results...crazy colors!

bays can be born black? My bays always look like bays as foals...anyone have pictures?

 

[albahurst]

UC Davis has a test for dun factor.

 

[minifreishorsefarm]

Not necessarly. I had a liver chestnut gelding that had a dorsal line down his back every year he was clipped. It defintelly got lighter from a baby but you could still see it. No way he was a dun because both parents were black pintos.

My stallion is bay pinto and he has counter shading down his back all the time, it never goes away or fades. I also had (just sold last night) a black gelding that had a line down his back as well. I have a zebra dun mare who has a dorsal stripe, it is a fine dark line compared to the bay pinto's line.

Marsha

 

[rabbitsfizz]

I am not sure the dam is Grey- are you?

I think she is typical varnish. Had she been Grey the Badger Mark on her face would have greyed out by now too.

Thus the foal is a Bay base varnish, also......

 

[yellerroseintx]

I am not sure the dam is Grey- are you?

I think she is typical varnish. Had she been Grey the Badger Mark on her face would have greyed out by now too.

Thus the foal is a Bay base varnish, also......

you know...I think you may be right..she keeps her dark points on her boney parts..nose/knees/hips....although her points are black/dark....hhhmmmmm makes sense..its crazy! Thank you all for such interesting input.

 

[Songcatcher]

I am not sure the dam is Grey- are you?

I think she is typical varnish. Had she been Grey the Badger Mark on her face would have greyed out by now too.

Thus the foal is a Bay base varnish, also......

you know...I think you may be right..she keeps her dark points on her boney parts..nose/knees/hips....although her points are black/dark....hhhmmmmm makes sense..its crazy! Thank you all for such interesting input.

Based on that picture, I would agree, she is not gray, but varnish app.

 

[Becky]

I just got the AMHR registration papers today on a stallion I just registered. They registered him as a palomino pinto when I put silver buckskin pinto (which he is) on the registration application. Why do they not put what the owner says the horse is? So, I feel your pain!

 

[ohmt]

She is a bay varnish appaloosa-the dorsal is counter-shading typical of bay foals. She is not black and she is not buckskin. Her dam is a bay varnish appaloosa-not grey. You do not need to do any testing unless you want to know if she is homozygous for black and agouti. I would send the papers back to AMHR with pictures of her sire and dam to verify that she cannot be a buckskin along with a copy of her original application (the one in which you had bay marked)-you should not have to pay for it since it is their fault.

Beautiful filly by the way. She has a lovely face!