Pinto Breeding Question

[wendyluvsminis]

Does breeding two pintos with alot of color to each other result more often in a baby with alot of color, or a minimally expressed pinto? Given my most recent baby, (whom I still love!) Ima wondering! Do you get more color breeding solid to wild color? Or does it depend on the particular breeding of the animals involved? Thanks!

 

[Jesi]

I'd say you're a wee bit more likely to get spotted if you breed two spotted horses together, assuming neither are homozygous. So mostly it depends on the horses themselves. Try this.

Now, breeding two tobianos is how you get a homozygous foal, isn't it??

*Not trying to talk out of my rear here, but I'm pretty positive LOL

 

[Katiean]

I personally love the owner that says "He is homozygous. We bred him to 6 mares and got all color." Then you ask "has he been tested?" The owner replys "He doesn't need to be tested. Look at his record." Yeh, I don't think I would trust that one. I would be the one to get a solid foal and they would blame my horse that I never said was Homozygous but was using that stud because I wanted color and they said he was Homozygous.

 

[Jesi]

I've luckily never run into anyone saying their horse is homozygous but never been tested.. My stud's homozygous and been tested positive twice, so I'm pretty sure it's legit...

 

[kaykay]

It all depends on what pinto genes the parents are carrying. Some are just tobiano/sabino and some are frame/tobi/sab and some are tobi/splash etc etc. The more genes a horse carries the better chance of producing color. I have found to get the wild colored horses (most call tovero but some hate that term) its best to breed tobi to tobi/splash or frame to tobi.

In order to get a horse that is homozygous for tobiano they have to have 2 tobiano parents. But that isnt a guarantee of homozygous horse. And as said its always best to test then assume.

I have a lot of splash mares that are mostly white so I have found that by breeding them to a more minimal tobiano I get a better 50/50 color

Baxters Just Teasin Ya Tobi splash mare bred to a more minimal homozygous tobi stallion (king lee)

Baxters Gossip Girl Mostly splash white mare bred to minimal expression tobinao stallion

Features look a like visual frame overo daughter Frame stallion X black tobi mare

 

[love_casper]

It definitely depends on which genes we're dealing with.

Heterozygous tobiano has a 50% chance of passing down the pinto, and the amount that it is expressed (minimal-maximum) is just up to genetic variation, it is genotypically the same. If you breed two tobianos together, you have a 75% chance of getting a tobiano, 25% chance of solid. Homozygous tobianos will always produce tobiano babies.

Frame overo always has a 50% chance of creating a frame offspring (because all frames are heterozygous), and of course you don't breed two frames together.

Splash overo in homozygous form will always pass down the splash gene. In Heterozygous form it is usually facial white, often blue eyes. When bred to another splash carrier then they can produce a homozygous... i.e loudly expressed.... splash.

And then the more of these patterns you mix together, the greater the chance of having a colorful baby.

Example, my stallion carries tobiano, sabino, splash, and frame, and on top of that is an appaloosa.

The pintos came from his fathers side, the appy from his mother, so he isn't homozygous for anything. So in all likelyhood, he COULD produce a solid it's just highly unlikely. Especially given that the mares I'm breeding him to are a tobiano, tobiano/splash, and a minimal appy. I have an ongoing bet with my friends - if next years foal crop I get a plane brown solid baby, I am going to eat my shirt.

 

[Annabellarose]

I have an ongoing bet with my friends - if next years foal crop I get a plane brown solid baby, I am going to eat my shirt.

Uh oh! He will probably make it happen because you said that. LOL

 

[End Level Farms]

I have run into so many people claiming things about their horses that now I just dont believe it with out paperwork to back it up.

I have a 19 year old mare who has never had a solid baby even when bred primarily to solid stallions. Does this mean I think she is homozygous yes. Does it mean she is NO.

I will eventually pull hair out and send it in. Do I advertise her as homozygous NO. I state there is the possibility because of.........

Now to answer your question.

Just because a horse has a lot of color doesn't make its percentage of throwing color more. You can breed two MAXIMUM colored horses and get solid. The only way to guarantee color is to breed to a homozygous pinto.

That being said. I have seen two that show NO COLOR at all throw one of the loudest beautifully marked foal.

As long as they carry the genetic there is the same chance of throwing color as no throwing color.

GENETICALLY the horse is pinto whether it is loudly marked or minimally marked.

 

[txminipinto]

It's all a crap shoot unless you have two DNA'd homozygous parents. Even then, you never know how much you'll get.

 

[Joanne]

I agree with what Kay and others have said. I have many horses that carry two or more genes. I often will cross them with a solid horse and the vast majority of the time they will produce color. Some give all the traits they carry to their foals.

Examples:

Pacific Celebrity. Sire is a solid black. Dam is a frame sabino as is Celebrity.

Pacific Taboo: Sire is a solid black, Dam is a frame tobiano, as is this colt.

Pacific Jazz Hot Spots is a tested homozygous for tobiano colt. He will always have tobiano foals.

Breeders that love color find foaling season like Christmas.......

You just can not wait to open the package

I also want to add that there are certain pinto lines, in my experience, that are far stronger for their pinto traits than others. Much more consistent at passing them on.

 

[Jesi]

Hehe, I'm loving the pictures you all are posting on here.

Your horses are so gorgeous

I LOVE LOVE LOVE colorful minis, especially overos!

 

[vvf]

I have bred 2 loud colored together and got solid.

and heres examples of the opposite.

The stud is minimal splash with 2 blue eyes and just a snip is the only white he has.

These are his first 2 foals out of non-pinto mares...

 

[wendyluvsminis]

I have bred 2 loud colored together and got solid.and heres examples of the opposite.

The stud is minimal splash with 2 blue eyes and just a snip is the only white he has.

These are his first 2 foals out of non-pinto mares...

That is amazing! What beautiful, colorful foals! Thank you everybody for showing your pinto beauties!!!