Please read, be objective, maybe I can not see

[Frankie]

I know I have spoke of work before, , I have hit my wits end today. :no:

I am a Real Estate Office Manager. There is me, a part time person, and 17 agents.

Me and the part time person are the only 2 actual employees.

ALL I AM ASKING FOR, FROM THE OWNERS,,,,,,,,,,IS TO BE FAIR!!!!!!!!

Today, they looked me in the eye and said, we are sure we are being fair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now drop it and just do your job.

I was trying to talk to them at the time about how I felt, have kept it in a long time.

Here is what is going on.

In five years, I have never been late.

In five years, she has been late at least 3 times a week. Average,,,,,,,,,,,,the month of December she was on time 1 day for the entire month. She too works 5 days, just not the same amount of hours.

At our yearly evaluation in April, the last 3 Aprils. We received the same amount of raise.

My husband had just had surgery, was being sent to ICU,,,,,,,,I was told I could leave and go to the hospital once I finished 2 projects that needed to be done. (and yes, I should have walked out)

She has taken the entire day off today, no problem with owners, because a skunk sprayed her front porch. (truth)

Does anyone else see anything else wrong with that??????? Is it me???????

She is part time, does not get a lunch, but takes lunch 4 days a week, AND is getting paid for it. She Is late 20-30 minutes a day,,,,,,,and this past Tuesday, I was told I would be covering for her at noon so she could have a 15 minute break. She is already late,,,,,,,,takes a lunch she is not to get,,,,,,,,,,,,,and now I have to cover her while she takes a break!!!!!!!!! :smileypuke: :smileypuke:

With the skunk thing today, I just fell apart. They 100% believe they are being fair to us. I can not leave to go to ICU for my husband,,,,,,,,,,,,she can stay home due to a skunk. It is all ffffffff bulshirt

Does anyone else see fair in any of this? Would you please point it out to me?

Give me anything to keep my sanity, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry and thanks!

Oh, yes I am typing this at work, am on lunch though,,,,,,,,,,, that I do not get paid for,,,,,,,,and will return on time.

 

[CountryHaven]

The real question is who's she sleeping with?

Can't see any other explaination for that 'fairness'.

 

[whiskeyranch]

If my husband were in ICU, I would not be at work, I then would tell them if they fire me, they will be turned into whoever that government employment agency is, and start looking for another job, so that they can do all the extra work this other person isn't doing by being late, taking breaks etc.

Go luck, and GO SUPPORT THE MAN IN YOUR LIFE. ( I can't really say on the forum, the other things they would get told by me)

I've been through a similar situation and I quit! I am lucky enough to stay at home now, but remember, you were looking for a job when you found that one. There's always somewhere to work. But your husbands life is more important.

 

[Windstorm Minis]

I agree.....she's either sleeping with someone, is related to them or has something "on" them or they are complete and utter idiots.

Are you keeping a daily log of all of this......if so, have you shown this to them?

Good luck.

 

[Sandy S.]

:new_shocked: ARE YOU SURE SHE IS NOT A RELATIVE. IN THE SAME SHOES YOU ARE AT WORK, BUT OWNERS DAUGHTER, BOSSES SISTER, AND THE HUSBAND AND AN UNCLE WORKS HERE.

I GUESS IT IS BITE THE BULLET OR WE BOTH HAVE TO LOOK FOR A NEW JOB AAARRRGGG.

 

[Frankie]

She is not related to anyone.

the other part,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not to sure of.

My husband is still recovering, not working, I gotta have a job.

I have kept a log and yes I did show them.

Their reponse,,,,,,,,,"Are you keeping this on company time?"

I have been sick about this all day. What is up with people.

she gets by, with what they LET her get by with. So,,,,,,,,she keeps it up!!!!!!!!!

I have tried to be late,,,,,,,,,,and I just can't. I really did try!!!!!!!

 

[Miniv]

Continue with the log, Carolyn. Document your meetings with them as well.

Keep your eyes open for a new job, and when you feel comfortable about it, actively LOOK for a new postition. Be sure to ask for a WRITTEN reference from your current job before leaving them.

I agree that there is more going on with that other employee than meets the eye.......as the above posts have suggested.

MA

 

[KanoasDestiny]

I've been here before and ultimately, I did quit. I just couldn't take the favortism anymore, or the official word that I learned...nepotism! Unfortunately, this happens all too often with employers. If she isn't related to them, or isn't sleeping with them, perhaps she is a friend's daughter, wife or sister.

I definately agree, log every single thing that is going on, and the discussions that are taking place between you and the owners. You may also want to write out a letter of explaination (keep one copy for your records, and give the other to the owners) of what is going on and how you feel, if they refuse to hear you out. Legally, this letter would have to be placed in your work folder, to have as documentation. If this does blow up, you may need that documentation as evidence, if this goes to court or an unemployment agency. I found in my case, that putting the words "favortism" and "discrimination" in the letter grabbed their attention and things did change for a short while. When it began happening again, I decided I had had enough and I up and gave a two weeks notice. This shocked them, as they realized that they were losing a valued employee and they begged me to stay. However, there was no way I was going to keep putting up with what was happening.

I guess besides documenting everything, you can either pray that things will get better, or you can make the change yourself by finding another job. I wish you the best of luck in this situation, and a fast recovery for your husband.

 

[whiskeyranch]

When I experienced this, I was told they simply didn't expect anything from this other person, so it was a waste of time to try and make her straighten up. I was told I needed to learn to get along with others, and mind my own business. HA! It was my business, when I couldn't go to lunch because they were late etc.

She took off weekends, etc. even had to take off a week once because she said I was stressing her out so badly.

All in all, some bosses are bigger idiots than the people you work with sometimes. Start searching the classifieds and put the word out that you are looking.

God knows what you are going through and he will send something to you when the time comes.

Oh yeah, did I mention that recently I found out, a year after quitting, that every employee except one and

both managers were "let go"

WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND-SLOWLY BUT SURELY! :aktion033:

 

[Marty]

Carolyn, I have a completely different take on this and please do not take it as me being harsh.

I would let it go. Leave it alone.

If you value your job and you want to keep it, I would knock it off.

They obviously do not care how you feel and do not want to hear it.

I would certainly not be wasting my time keeping tabs on a co-worker.

I would not be taking down notes of how often she is late, how many breaks she takes, and so on.

This doesn't look good for you! If I were your boss, I might be forced to think that you are a busy-body and instead of doing your job, you are using company time to write up reports on other employees. It is not your job to be the lunch hour police or anything else.

You got your raise, you have your job. Just leave this thing alone and carry on with your duties. Never mind what anyone else does. Do not let it eat at you anymore. You cannot do a thing about it so let it go.

I am certainly not saying that what is going down is fair, because it is not. It is wrong. Very wrong.

But sometimes in life, you have to suck things up. In your case, I would very much just stop it now before the you know what hits the fan and you find yourself out of a job.

They have their reasons for letting her get away with whatever she does, but for the sake of your job, leave it alone.

You have so much on your plate now, just do the best job you can and rely on your friends for the support that you need now during this time of crisis in your life.

You have many friends that really care.

:

 

[Jill]

Well, as a business owner, that's not the way things would be handled at my office.

But, I think in "small" privately owned businesses, the boss may not always be right or always be fair but guess what? He (or she) is always the boss.

If they don't want to be fair, I don't think there's a way you can make them

As far as "documenting" the things the other employee does that are wrong and how many times she's late, etc... If one of my employees came to me and told me all these things are going wrong and I wasn't interested in hearing it, I'd be even less impressed about a log being kept.

I'd not let this sort of thing with late to work and missing days go on. That's a biggie to me as the phones must be answered and someone in the reception area when my clients come in by appointment or by chance.

BUT, if an employee told me "____ is going on and it's not right or fair" and I didn't feel it was important, honestly, I'd be really ticked to find a log was being kept. It's the owners' job to run the company and decide what employee can do what, not yours unless they have put you in charge of personnel.

Again, I wouldn't be unfair like they are but if I basically said "Drop It" and it wasn't dropped, there would be negative consequences.

Another thing is depending on the employee, an owner lets things slide. Maybe she is really good with clients? There is a reason that the owners are willing to put up with her being undependable about when she shows up. It could be a "good" reason that is important to the bottom line.

Anyway, lousy as it is, I think you need to decide if you want to continue to work there, and if so, just go with the flow or you will only make yourself miserable and it won't change anything about how the office people are managed.

 

[Bluerocket]

If I felt the way that you do --- I would be hitting the streets looking for a new job - giving notice when I found one.

JJay

 

[Frankie]

Jill and Marty, You both have very good points, I appreciate the things you said, and in part that is very true and right. I for sure need to take a look at those things.

I knew I'd get all sides, that is why I came here.

Definately a lot for me to think about.

Thanks

Jill, can I come work for you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,promise no logging and I'm always on time!!!!!! :lol:

 

[MBennettp]

Carolyn,

It sounds like you need to get serious about searching for another job. You do not need added stress right now. You might be surprised if you go job hunting and find a job where there is fair play, less stress, and even more money or opportunity for more money.

I know it is not easy to change jobs but you have a very good chance of finding another one since you are employed. It is much harder to find a job if you are unemployed than it is to find one if you are.

I wish you the best and will pray that you find the solution quickly.

Mary

 

[Cathy_H]

I suggest putting these thoughts in writing & giving the bosses a copy. IF they take the time to read about each event they may see that the scale is not balanced here. I say put it in writing because when everything is put togehter on paper they can see the accumulation of the events instead of thinking of the single episode that you are relating to them.................................. Unfortunately some people just have a knack for getting away with things. We all know them - just look in the miniature horse selling/ training business............................................. My last part time job was left because I felt the scales were not balanced for me either. The co worker was older & had been there longer thus she had more bearing.............. The straw that broke the camels back was when I made a suggestion for improving an office job which ended up saving "Sears" $$$$.... I ran the details by my co worker, she told me it could never work.... Few months later it started being done the way I suggested to her & SHE received the monetary award for " making the suggestion"................ Her immediate comment to me was "you gotta do what you gotta do"......................... Best of luck to you. Sometimes that first step is the hardest then you wonder why you took so long.......................... Wanted to add that I do not know your financial situation & how much you depend upon this job so if you absolutely can not afford to be unemployed for awhile then you may just have to cope with it.... Write it all down in a diary - it might make you feel better anyway.

 

[Bess Kelly]

"I am a Real Estate Office Manager"

If you ARE the office manager, why are you taking this to the owners? Why are you not reprimanding the employee? Did you hire her? Do you have the power to hire/fire? Are you in charge of such things?

If you are not empowered to handle employees, then you need to decide to stay and accept this or quit. Yes, it is very annoying. You do not say "how late", etc. I agree, all should be ON TIME but, some aren't. And, you do not say, is this person one who knocks you out of the way at quitting time, to leave?

It appears, from your post, that the owners are in reality the managers and want to keep it that way. If you are unable to accept their decision, it would be best for you to move on...........search for a job FIRST, then give notice. This in NO WAY affects your ability or work ethics, just go to a place that appreciates your dedication and good habits for dependability and timeliness.

 

[Triggy&Blue&Daisy Too]

Carolyn what I'm about to say will not be popular or well accepted but is unfortunately a big part of things like this. I have known and supervised many excellent employees who were very good at their jobs technically but what did them in was the way they related to others. I hate to say it but I'd take a dozen less than proficient employees who were easy to get along with than one very proficient but difficult one.

Guess what I'm trying to say is if you are a perfectionist maybe some negative things are bleeding over on the personal aspect of the job. Yes I know it's about being there to do a job but when you are spending a lot of hours with other people that aspect becomes very important to the way one will be treated and viewed. As I've heard it often said, not many will remember what you did but they will remember how you made them feel. Just something to consider which may not be relevant in your situation but it kind of sounds like the other gal has a way of connecting to the ones in charge that is overshadowing any amount of excellence you bring to your job and perhaps this is the root of the problem.

 

[Frankie]

You do not say "how late", etc.

I'm pretty sure in the original post it says 20-30 minutes each day.

I think the most important thing I have learned is,,,,,,,,,,,,,it's not fair.

I so thought because there were just 2 of us,,,,,,,,,,,,it would be easy to be fair, guess not.

I take care of all things in the office,,,,,,,,,,except her,,,,,,,,,,owners wanted us on a equal level as employees, so no one employee is in charge of the other. How much of a joke did that end up being.

Shirley, you may be right,,,,,,,,,I am unable to kiss butt through a phone the way she does. Yes, that is her job, answer the phone. Somehow in others eyes, her answering the phone is so important, gotta keep her happy, and if I mess up the 2.2 million dollar closing on Tues.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,who cares!

I am not a complainer, this has gone on for 5 years and I have not said anything to anyone here. Just tried to do my job. BUT, the unfairness slapped me in the face over her getting an approved vacation for a skunk and I couldn't to go to the hospital. And THEN for them to tell me, yes, it is fair.

Here are 2 parts of the problem:

I have 4 owners, they have never been wrong and are not about to be now.

She is divorced with kids, they feel sorry for her.

Here are 2 parts of the solution:

Job interview on Weds. morning, and another Weds. afternoon!!!

 

[CountryHaven]

Here are 2 parts of the solution:Job interview on Weds. morning, and another Weds. afternoon!!!

Good for you, Caryolyn!

In the end, that's the only real power you have. You can't control what others do, especially when they own the business, but you can control what you will and won't accept.

 

[mountain_waif]

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