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Bonny

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Lisa, at least we are in this together- even if it takes a few more months.
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lol.

Lets start fresh~ shall we?

Sandy as of this am.

her udder is up again.lol. Anyone wants to guess due dates? I am thinking mid October for Sandy.

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I also wanted to add that her vulva is looking really long these days. This was Sept 2

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And today:

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You betcha Bonny! She has progressed like crazy!!! I think she's going to go before mid-Oct. I think she'll go before the next week! I'll say Oct. 5th! NO LATER!!! I owe you an e-mail! I've been so busy with my new little boy, I'm neglecting everybody!! I haven't even been on the computer much the last few days!! I'm so excited for you! You are going to have a blast with your baby!!! Cookie is at day 63 today! Her shape has changed as well as her temperament!! Just wait until I am going through this next spring! I can't wait for Sandy's baby to be born!!! I wish we all lived so much closer to each other!!!

Joyce
 
I'm going to stick to my guns and say Oct. 2nd. for Sandy and Oct. 7th. for Sunshine! Anyone else want to play?
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LOL, we could call them both trick or treat, or Sandys pumpkin and Sunrises Boo. Hahahah.
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C'mon Lisa...where are you?
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Awww, look how that belly pokes out further on one side than the other, Cute! Something is in there, LOL! I knoe nothing about foaling, but I take a guess anyway. I say Oct 13th.

I don't know how you guys do the waiting and watching, I would be STRESSED to the max. There is a reason I only have geldings.
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:DOH! Oppps! Sorry Lisa! My Bad!

I fixed it!
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Looking forward to your pics!

Also Lisa, our Mares have the U going on not the V yet.....
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Halloween or later. I like Pumpkin and Boo

Lyn
 
Question...

In books I have read on foaling it says that the mammary development increases from about 6 weeks prior to foaling.It can increase for a period and then experience a plateau of development before increasing again within a week or so before foaling. Realizing that there is always exceptions and some mares may increase for longer or shorter periods.

I guess what I want to know is when this statement is made, is it meaning any development? And I am thinking it means in the udder, not the area in front of the udder correct? I assume it doesnt mean full udder development as a mare can stop then continue closer to foaling. But now what I am a bit foggy on is that a mare can go from slightly full( thats what I would refer to Sandy as right now- correct me if I am wrong)to FULL- meaning getting colostrum with a hard bag- in a very short period of time say a few hours? But yet most will have a full - but not hard full- for weeks before foaling?But a considerably fuller than Sandy for weeks? I guess what I am asking is I realize Sandys udder isnt full as in imminent foaling full but is it considered in the "six week before foaling" full? I know yall cant say exactly as we dont know for sure, but when I ask will she foal 'soon' I am thinking we are in that 6 weeks period. I realize unless she does some drastic filling she isnt imminent for foaling but with in weeks?

I am also curious about the filling and deflating- everyone says once it stays full it will be soon. So during the six week period can you expect the filling and deflating constantly until it reaches a FULL status and I realize that can last for days....

Having not foaled out a mare before and after being so confused with Bonnys udder adventure, I want to understand. I want to be there with Sandy. I realize there is always a chance to miss it.

I am trying to put all Sandys signs together, as I have been told not to count on the udder alone. When I read it seems she is close- meaning with in the 6 weeks- but not imminent. This is confusing because member have shared so many different foaling stories that I have no clue which one Sandy will follow.And apparently she can change from year to year also....

So what is the secret? LOL! How do you know for sure??? How do you know when you should watch dilegently or not?I am not sure at all as some tell me not to take my eyes off and others say I have months...- Not that I am offended- I am not at all! I realize no one can tell for sure. But whats the deciding factor for you personally? When do you decide not to take your eyes off them? What is the one thing that makes you say "ok time to keep a close eye on her?"

I know we will all have different opinions on this. And I am hoping one will click for me!

BTW~ THANKS!!!
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hmm let's see if I can help any..

And I am thinking it means in the udder, not the area in front of the udder correct?
Mammary development includes the area in front of the udder as well as the milk veins run through there and as they swell/enlarge it'll cause the swelling in front of the udder..

But now what I am a bit foggy on is that a mare can go from slightly full( thats what I would refer to Sandy as right now- correct me if I am wrong)to FULL- meaning getting colostrum with a hard bag- in a very short period of time say a few hours?
Yep they can, and some don't get 'full' until AFTER they've foaled.. While the mare is "bagging up" it's not 'milk' that's enlarging her udder (though many mares do have liquid in their udders all the time), milk let down doesn't usually occur until a week or so prior to foaling (of course there are exception mares
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) Our black pinto mare has a decent udder but was no where near what I would consider full and not tight at 9 pm check, came in the house, watched an hour tv show, went upstairs to my bedroom where the cam was, flipped on the tv to find her just finishing delivering her colt (our black appy TJ), when I went out as soon as I found them, her udder was HUGE to the point she was dripping milk..

But yet most will have a full - but not hard full- for weeks before foaling?But a considerably fuller than Sandy for weeks? I guess what I am asking is I realize Sandys udder isnt full as in imminent foaling full but is it considered in the "six week before foaling" full?
And this is where it gets tricky and why most of us breeders have little to no hair left on our heads foaling season to foaling season! EVERY mare is different, and just when you think you have one figured out she'll change her "pattern" on you..
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The fact that she is developing an udder and *supposedly* (used that way as there's always the possibility of false pregnancy) bred, then yes I would say she's within in the 6-8 week udder development stage..

I am also curious about the filling and deflating- everyone says once it stays full it will be soon. So during the six week period can you expect the filling and deflating constantly until it reaches a FULL status and I realize that can last for days....
I've had a few mares that do the fill/deflate/fill/deflate etc and then I've also had mares that steadily filled up to foaling..

Having not foaled out a mare before and after being so confused with Bonnys udder adventure, I want to understand. I want to be there with Sandy. I realize there is always a chance to miss it.
Hun, hate to tell you this, but if you keep trying to "understand", you're going to drive yourself nuts! lol This coming foaling season will be our 6th foaling season, and while I've read as many articles/books/posts on here and other places as I can, have foaled out 11 mares, I KNOW I do not know all there is to know, and I'm sure those that have been in this for years and have seen 2-3-4 times as many foals will admit that too! Best thing you can do is read up, ask questions, but don't expect set in stone answers as in general, the info we can give is just that, 'in general' as every gal is different..
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For me, our girls come into the foaling barn around day 300 (earlier if there's any udder development).. That way they can get used to being in the foaling stall, get acclimated to the "germs" in there (yes we disinfect the stalls and keep them routinely cleaned but there's natural germs etc. in them) From day 300 on they get checked at chore times and as we get closer to due date or a lot of development/changes in the mare then we start checking more often.. For me I start watching like a hawk when we have a full udder, teats distended and liquid easily expressed, vulva relaxed, dropped off at the tail head and behavior changes..

I will admit that out of the 11 foals we've foaled, I've not caught one
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Have missed them all by 15-20 minutes or less, most of them have happened in between hourly checks, alarm clock goes off and I awake to babies just born or taking their first steps.. THANKFULLY, ALL have been born healthy with no problems with moms or babies..

So what is the secret?

Teach me how to speak horse and I'll ask my girls if they'll share
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Thanks! You have explained a lot.

Mammary development includes the area in front of the udder as well as the milk veins run through there and as they swell/enlarge it'll cause the swelling in front of the udder..

Thats why she is full in front? Thats not edema? Thats her veins?

Yep they can, and some don't get 'full' until AFTER they've foaled.. While the mare is "bagging up" it's not 'milk' that's enlarging her udder (though many mares do have liquid in their udders all the time), milk let down doesn't usually occur until a week or so prior to foaling (of course there are exception mares rolleyes.gif)

Ok this explained a lot to me. I thought if she was bagging up it was with fluid. Thats why I didnt understand why I felt tissue in there and couldn't express fluid. I understand it comparative to humans.

And , lol, I wish I could speak horse!
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pics from tonight:

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cute pic of the girls!

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Mammary development includes the area in front of the udder as well as the milk veins run through there and as they swell/enlarge it'll cause the swelling in front of the udder..Thats why she is full in front? Thats not edema? Thats her veins?
More than likely at this stage it's simply udder development with the tissues swelling and enlarging.. There's a mammary vein that runs along the mare's belly

Usually you'll see edema in heavily pregnant mares that don't get enough exercise, either they get to the point where they're so miserable they want to stand around all day instead of move about or perhaps they don't get enough turn out time.. Our gals get daily turn-out, only time we may keep them in is if there's inclement weather or no one's going to be out around the barn or able to check on them if outside if we think one is close, so we'll leave her in under cam..
 
PArt of the reason I say Halloween is , apart from udder developement , Sandy has not V'd down in the belly. I so wish that I could get into my other computer which has crashed because there are good pics of several of my mares and their pointed bellies. The center of the bottom of the belly, or slightly back farther gets really pointy when the little foals butt is there and their forelegs are up in the canal and they become what we call engaged. Baileys bag goes up and down like a yo yo and fills when she foals, Abby looked like elsie the cow for weeks, you could see her bulbous bag between her legs from behind when she walked. Red was the same way. Princess had just little hamburger buns till the say she foaled. They are all different and the only thing the same about them is that they dont read the book! Try to relax. Thsi is supposed to all be fun remember! lol

Lyn
 
Lyn, please dont misunderstand, just because I am seeking answers doesnt mean I am stressed about it or not enjoying the adventure. I am a knowledge seeker personality and I enjoy learning. I dont want yall to mistake my questions for anxiety. I am enjoying Sandy and getting to know her, pregnancy aside.

I agree with the V shape. I dont think its there yet. Is that something that can occur suddenly also?

I appreciate yalls information. I realize every mare is different and Sandy will prove her ways in time. I am looking forward to this little one!
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Just a quick update on Sandy. Her udder is starting to get fuller and one teat is filling up now. They are pointing down instead of in. She is really starting to waddle.lol. Vet said the feet were at the exit door. So we are just waiting now .

This is her udder now

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