What color is she?

[Becky]

This is Redrock Corkers Sandi Lassie AMHA/Knutson Corkers Sandi Lassie AMHR. She is registered as a grulla. My best guess is that is what she is, however, she has so much sabino roaning, it's hard to tell if she has a dorsal stripe or any other barring/stripes.

What I do know from the foals that she has produced, that she is black based and that she carries red. Her sire is a black pinto and I don't know what color her dam is.

I have other blacks including a black sabino and her color is not anything like theirs. I don't believe she is black. Sandi has not been color tested. Wish the dun test was available!

Here are a few pics from this past summer. Anybody care to speculate?

 

[Jean_B]

All I can say is I think she is NOT grulla -- a grulla has a head that is darker than the rest of the body, plus a dorsal, and the body color is mousy/greyish/blackish. In these pictures she looks move liver chestnut to me but it could be the sun.

 

[Meavey]

I agree she does not look grulla.

I do think she is black, some just fade much quicker, or maybe smokey black.

 

[Becky]

Her head is the same color as her body, but likely due to the sabino roaning. Her lower legs are darker.

She isn't chestnut as she's produced a bay foal by a chestnut stallion (who carries agouti). She's produced chestnut foals by a different chestnut stallion, so she does carry red.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

This is Mia, she is a Black Dun.

Absolutely NO doubt of it, and it took ME four years to find out- AND I bred her!!!

She is proven by breeding to be Dun- but she does not really look much of a typical Dun to me!!

I will say she has always had a Dorsal- BUT since I thought she was Black I assumed it was counter shading and when they are this dark it is very hard to tell.

Becky, your mare does not look Black Dun to me.

Ooops , sorry about the size, photobucket is having another hissy fit!!

Please ignore Mia's "goat" impression there is actually a show mare underneath all that!!!

 

[chandab]

This is Redrock Corkers Sandi Lassie AMHA/Knutson Corkers Sandi Lassie AMHR. She is registered as a grulla. My best guess is that is what she is, however, she has so much sabino roaning, it's hard to tell if she has a dorsal stripe or any other barring/stripes.

What I do know from the foals that she has produced, that she is black based and that she carries red. Her sire is a black pinto and I don't know what color her dam is.

I have other blacks including a black sabino and her color is not anything like theirs. I don't believe she is black. Sandi has not been color tested. Wish the dun test was available!

Here are a few pics from this past summer. Anybody care to speculate?

Beautiful mare. Could she be seal brown?

 

[Becky]

Could she be seal brown?

I have wondered that too, but could that produce a bay when bred to red? What's the genetic makeup of seal brown?

 

[Miniequine]

Becky

If she has produced a bay from a red stallion,

doesn't that make her a bay? Maybe a black bay?

She is beautiful!

The big blaze is just like my mare Moose. What is that? Sabino?

Rabbitfizz,

Your mare Mia's coat looks EXACTLY like my hairy Little Anna!

Same dark tips with the golden hue. More info confirming

my thoughts about my filly. Thanks!

Isn't this FUN :bgrin

~Sandy

 

[Meavey]

No a red horse can carry agouti so mom probably has nothing to do with it.

 

[Miniequine]

opp's I didn't read the fine print... hehehe

The red stallion could be hiding the agouti...

Yikes, this is confusing!!!!!

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[Minimor]

To answer the question about the genetic makeup of a seal brown--it is similar to a bay in that it is black based with a form of agouti. It is believed there is some difference between the form of agouti that produces brown and the form of agouti that produces bay, but they do both have agouti. It will be nice if/when someday there is a test that can differentiate between the two different forms.

It will be nice too when there is a test for dun. I have horses here that are dun--Minis as well as a couple Morgans, but you would never see the dun markings in photos. The horses are very dark and the markings don't show up in photos--but they are there.

 

[MBhorses]

BeckyIf she has produced a bay from a red stallion,

doesn't that make her a bay? Maybe a black bay?

She is beautiful!

The big blaze is just like my mare Moose. What is that? Sabino?

Rabbitfizz,

Your mare Mia's coat looks EXACTLY like my hairy Little Anna!

Same dark tips with the golden hue. More info confirming

my thoughts about my filly. Thanks!

Isn't this FUN :bgrin

~Sandy

Hello,

our black and white pinto mare breed to a sorrel and white pinto produce a bay and white foal. We have a black mare who also produce a bay filly this year. I haven't heard that the mare is bay if produces bay. Maybe I am misunderstanding.

Ideals would be great

thanks melissa

Becky she is nice mare no matter what color she is.

: i am guessing maybe some type of brown or bay as well.

 

[Becky]

My chestnut medicine hat stallion, Flash, carries agouti. He has sired other bay foals out of black/black based mares.

Yes, Sandi would have to be black based to produce bay by a chestnut stallion.

What I do know from her offspring is that she is black based and carries red. I would like to know more!!!

Melissa, in order for your blacks/black and whites to produce bay, they would have to be bred to a stallion that carries agouti. Chestnuts can carry it and it doesn't show. Agouti 'hides' in chestnut.

 

[minisforever]

I am not sure about the color but one thing I do know. She is gorgeous. I wish she were on my farm!!!

Congrats on a gorgeous mare :aktion033: :aktion033:

 

[Miniv]

Without having her tested, I would call her a black bay. She's a lovely mare.

MA

 

[MountainViewMiniatures]

Definately not grulla - roaning doesn't hide a dorsal stripe. Her legs look darker than her body because of the roaning not because she is grulla. My guess would be seal brown (which has black) or black bay or a fading black. Beautiful mare regardless of the colour!

Rabbitfizz . I love your girl too - seems to me she has some shoulder barring but the could just be her winter coat- alot would call her a lobo dun or grulla - my grulla AQHA stallion is that dark too and has produced about 75% duns/grullas on non dun mares. It so amazing what that hairy buffalo look hides sometimes people who are non mini people that visit here can't even believe they are the same horse when I pull out the show pictures!

 

[Becky]

If you were going to test this mare with the current available color tests, what would you test for?

She should be this - Ee - anyway, so I likely wouldn't test for red.

 

[Miniequine]

hmmm

If she was mine, I guess I would test for agouti.

Maybe soon, we'll have a dun test.

Has she produced any dun babies?

I really think you should send her to the

color clinic, located in Catlett, Virginia....

We promise to eventually return her.....

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hehehe

~Sandy

 

[Humhill]

Definately not Seal Brown. It's dark dark brown, almost black with lighter points on the flank and nose. Used to have a pic of one, but can't find it right now...

She is GORGEOUS though!! Love the head!!!

 

[Becky]

I really think you should send her to thecolor clinic, located in Catlett, Virginia....

We promise to eventually return her.....

I'm sure she'd love to attend but her ob/gyn says to take it easy!

: She's due to foal early April to Flash.

I registered one of her foals as a red dun, but it was hard to tell whether she was or not. A sabino/frame overo filly that I lost as a yearling. Her first foal was her (Sandis) identical color sired by a bay sabino, then a bay tovero pinto by Flash, the red sabino/frame filly sired by a bay frame overo, a sabino chestnut colt with a blaze and stockings sired by Incognito and a full brother who was solid white with pink skin and blue eyes. He was a maximum sabino. And red based. At birth he had red from the top of his head down his back, but it faded away quickly. She aborted this years foal a few weeks after falling through the ice in the pond last winter. It will be interesting to see what color and pattern this years Flash foal has!