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[CRERS]

Now I am not too crazy wtih the subject at hand's choice in animal/property care, or lack thereof...

But no offense, shouldn't you leave 'diagnosis' to a trained professional, who comes to that conclusion, after an indepth clinical analysis? Alot of us already 'think' this but posting the defintion doesn't help.

We all know there appears to be a serious problem, but for gosh sake , please do not play amateur shrink...

hopefully before this is over he will get some help, now that the spot light is on Unontown. IMO

Sorry if I offended you. I was really just trying to help some folks understand what they MIGHT be dealing with here, in trying to help to get the place cleaned up and continuing to work on getting him to surrender animals, as well as concerns that the place just might fill up with junk again as well as more animals. It doesn't hurt to be educated and prepared.

Nope, I'm not a shrink, wasn't trying to play one. Just a concerned person who's been doing volunteer rescue work for years, and have dealt with a couple of hoarders. Also just a person who in my "real" job is a degreed social worker who does deal with mental health issues, "shrinks", etc, a good portion of my day.

I don't think anyone should be offended - it certainly does look like a clear cut hoarding situation. Not many of us need a shrink to diagnose that - Animal Control and those that rescue will call a hoarding situation a hoarding situation based on facts & evidence, most of what was called in the definition posted. They don't bring a psychiatrist in to make a hoarding evaluation to remove animals - the animals are removed, concerns of hoarding are brought into play and then usually after trial and prosecution, they may be mandated to seek psychiatric help.

It was an informative post - there are more hoarders out there than you'll ever know, could be a few right in your own neighborhood. There is nothing wrong with educating others.

 

[Bootsie]

I do believe Mr. Trembly will do what is right in the long run

Hope he will let go of his Pride and do what is best for his herd...

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Well I just tried to post my thoughts about my visit this morning to Uniontown. Hit a button and don't know what happened to it. Just as well I suppose.

Ginny and Wendy were there while I was there so I was fortunate enough to meet them. I will leave all the reports on health of the horses to them. Also on the KSU vet reports.

My observation is that the horses are pastured in a junkyard and it is a dangerous place for any critters. I was "distressed" watching horses scratching themselves against rusting out half metal barrels, etc. It has to be cleaned up and the sheriff promised that he was coming back to help Vern do that very thing. I want to believe him contrary to all the things said about him being Boss Hogg. The pressure on his 5 man force has been incredible. As he reminded us, they have all the other crimes that must be addressed as well. I will be going down to Unionville on a regular basis to keep an eye on the cleanup.

While there I tried to befriend Vern to coax him into parting with more horses. He finally agreed to sell 3 stallions to me. I am negotiating on price with him now. If I can at least remove 3 horses from his care maybe that will give him fewer horses to have to care for and at little money to feed the others. BTW- he showed me a copy of a check paid to the feed company for hay for $1000.00. I believe he said it was for 50 big bales. He walked me through the pasture and pointed to the pond and trees in the distant that he said was a windbreak for the horses. When I asked him about a three sided shelter for the horses during bad weather, he told me he puts up tops on the pens in the winter and takes them down in the summer. Kind of hard for me to accept that as he looks too frail to be lifting anything heavy and awkward.

I did ask Vern if he intended to continue breeding the horses to which he replied very sadly, "I don't know, they are trying to shut me down". It is going to be almost impossible to convince him that he is not physically and financially able to care for all of the minis but I hope he is beginning to think about it.

Finally, as for conflicting reports on the minis from Ginny's assessment to Mary Kansas, Kristin's assessments. I believe that last week there was no food or water and I believe Mary and Kristin's that yesterday there was. I don't think we need to try to say one is lying and the other is not. Please accept what each one saw. Not an expert but I saw one beautiful pinto stallion who looked excellent but I also saw some other horses that looked pathetic.

Faye

 

[chandab]

While there I tried to befriend Vern to coax him into parting with more horses. He finally agreed to sell 3 stallions to me. I am negotiating on price with him now. If I can at least remove 3 horses from his care maybe that will give him fewer horses to have to care for and at little money to feed the others.

Faye

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[CRERS]

I have a few pics taken with my phone yesterday. In trying to insert them, I got a pop-up window from Windows Internet Explorer reading "You must enter a URL." I'd love to post the pictures, but I need someone to explain how I can do that. Copying and pasting didn't work. I can try to send them via e-mail, as I sent them to myself and it worked fine....

Windingroad - if you want to send them to me at [email protected], I will put them into a photobucket and post the pictures for you.

Steph

 

[Danielle_E.]

Then my sincere prayer is that he allows the ones that look "pathetic" to leave his care immediately.

 

[AppyLover2]

You know, it's rather ironic I think....I called my sister last evening to share the good news that some of the minis had been surrendered. After I got done dancing and singing she asked me if I had seen the morning paper. Seems that 2 weeks ago the Humane Society and a deputy responded to a report of starving horses here in my county. They found 1 dead and 5 close to it. Three days later they were seized and turned over to a rescue. The owner had moved away. He said that he was going through a “tough emotional time” and that he “noticed the horses were losing weight, but he could not afford to feed them.”

He also said he had given them hay about 2 months ago, but nothing since then. This was probably less than 25 miles from where I live. Just goes to show that it can happen any time, any where.

 

[HGFarm]

I am sad, but it's not over just yet either. Unless the Sheriff Dept is paying for the vet, he cannot demand it be kept private if the owner, Mr. Trembly, would be willing to release the info. If he would share it with Ginny and others, they may be able to help him in deciding what should be done next. They could certainly offer their honest opinions and suggestions on things and if he is keeping any, what could really be done to help them.

I am just somewhat surprized that the Sheriff asked them to leave as they do not belong to him, nor does the property and if Mr. Trembly did not ask them to leave.... ?? I have had folks over while the vet was at my house and nobody asked anyone to leave. Granted it was not this type of situation, but it just strikes me as odd.

YEAH!!!!! On your purchase of three more and the surrender of a couple more as well. A million thanks to you all for your wonderful efforts- hang in there - it has been frustrating for all I agree, but what a valuable learning experience for all too!

 

[SunQuest]

I have a question...

What about the horses that were surrendered last night? Did the same vet that was at the farm today go and see them also to include that in the report?

The reason I ask is that if the vet that arrived today did not examine those horses surrendered last night, then the situation could look much better than what it really was.

No flames please, but just was curious as to how much this vet really saw of the situation.

 

[Reijel's Mom]

I also think the outside veterinary assessments of those already surrendered could prove to be helpful.

 

[PaintedPromiseRanch]

I also think the outside veterinary assessments of those already surrendered could prove to be helpful.

still wondering how those first surrenders are doing, what's the condition and prognosis? could the fosters please let us know...

 

[AppyLover2]

I doubt that the condition of any he's already surrendered would be germain. He no longer has them. It's the ones who are still in his possession that count.

 

[SunQuest]

I doubt that the condition of any he's already surrendered would be germain. He no longer has them. It's the ones who are still in his possession that count.

I was afraid of that. If he surrendered the worst ones last night and the vet can only report on what that vet sees..... well, you can see where this is heading. Sigh.

 

[Minimor]

Finally, as for conflicting reports on the minis from Ginny's assessment to Mary Kansas, Kristin's assessments. I believe that last week there was no food or water and I believe Mary and Kristin's that yesterday there was. I don't think we need to try to say one is lying and the other is not. Please accept what each one saw.

Just to clarify--I don't think anyone was saying that one visitor or the other is lying. The point we were trying to make is--since some are now saying that Vern knew there was a problem and was working on fixing it even before it made the news here & the rescues started putting pressure on him...the point is that for someone trying to fix the problem of underweight horses, he wasn't making much of an effort when as late as last Friday the horses still had no water and only one bale of very poor feed.
Question for all who have been there and say that you believe that from now on Vern will have help and will continue to look after his remaining horses properly--would you be happy now at this moment knowing that a horse you had raised and sold was living in his custody?

 

[Dorrie & Frank]

Legally the only animals that could have been taken under statute are those in danger. The purpose of the exam was to determine if the state can take property from a citizen. The outcome may have been different if the vet visited on the first day that Ginny was there but the presense of the ones that were surrendered yesterday would not have changed today's outcome. The examination was for the state to determine if there was cause to seize the animals and bring charges. It is not Trembly's report or the Sheriff's report - it is the state's report and unless the state brings charges it is required to keep it confidential. The others that were moved may have been the only ones that the vet would have said were in danger and had to be moved. The findings as to those horses would have become part of the evidence in an action to forcibly take them away from him and he would have been able to petition to get back if he cleaned up his act in however many days or months the court would have set. A voluntary surrender is far better than the state action.

 

[Marty]

still wondering how those first surrenders are doing, what's the condition and prognosis? could the fosters please let us know...

Yes, in due time. I am so happy for each and every one of them! :aktion033: Christmas came early for them. It's wonderful.

I don't think it's here nor there to be that concerend about what the vet's report said at this very moment.

We all saw multiple pictures posted from head to hoof and most of us here know enough about what healthy horses are supposed to look like and don't need a vet report to confirm and denote the obvious on what we have sharred viewing the pictures together. Just my thoughts.

 

[Reble]

It sounds like, Mr. Trembly will let horses go for a price?

Than if people wish too help, and are close to the area, why not go shopping...

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[AppyLover2]

....don't need a vet report to confirm and denote the obvious on what we have sharred viewing

Maybe not.....but we sure as heck needed the vet report to support our efforts to get more of them out. Our opinion isn't worth a can of beans without the vets support. Kinda like I said earlier.....everybody has an opinion. It's pretty obvious that our opinion doesn't matter much to anybody but us.

 

[Marty]

KOAM TV

Vernon Trembly owns 96 miniature horses near Uniontown, Kansas. The horses conditions have been discussed on the internet by people all over the world, and now, the owner of one of the websites has come to the property.

On Wednesday an animal rescue organization group from Wichita made an agreement with Trembly to take eleven of his sickest miniature horses. We spoke on the phone with the man who made that deal.

He says he's confident Trembly will be in contact with local authorities and veterinarians to take care of the 85 horses that remain on the land.

But others believe differently.

"I think it's a step forward,” says Virginia St. Pierre. “I think picking up the eleven mini’s last night is a definite step forward."

Virginia St. Pierre represents Chance's Miniature Horse Rescue, another animal rescue organization from Tennesse. She thinks it's nearly impossible for Trembly to fix the problems himself.

"He doesn't see that they're not going to make it through the winter if they don't get proper food and care,” she says. “And I'm not just talking round bales of hay and occasional worming."

On Thursday, veterinarians from a state university checked the health of the horses and looked at the pasture.

"They looked at them and said the horses were not in any dire need and they thought the feed was alright,” Trembly says.

But according to Trembly, the veterinarians did notice a problem that's consistent with horses having parasites. Official recommendations were also made to have Trembly sell a substantial amount of his herd.

"That hurts because it took more than 50 years to make a herd,” Trembly says. “And now they think I should cut way back. So, I don't know. It's just a real downer."

Trembly still believes he has the resources and capacity to take care of all 85 horses. But he's realized the only way to prove to others his love for the animals is to let them go.

The owner of Chance's Miniature Horse Rescue says she believes Trembly should only have about half the herd he has now. This would leave Vernon with 40 to 50 horses.

The Bourbon County Sheriff's Department says they'll be working with Trembly over the next few weeks to move the remaining herd of horses to a different pasture.

 

[Casnos Minis]

[SIZE=14pt]I'm glad we got 11 out of there. I do have to question though can he even care for 40-50? Or a better question is there 40-50 that are in really good shape? I don't mean to be rude and I know I haven't replied much on this thread, but I understand how difficult it can be to have animals you can't afford. I'm not in that postion and I hope to never be, but I've seen it happen. I do sympithize with Mr. Trembly as my father and he are close in age. I know what keeps them going. Maybe they should think about only letting him keep 10. That would be much easier for him to care for. Also what happens when he gets to the point he can't do anyhting for them or with them or he passes away? Is there someone that is going to take care of them or are they going to starve and die? Will it be written up that if he gets to that point the horses automatically go to a rescue? I'm not sure if anyone has touched on those questions as I have been reading when I can, but I've missed alot also.[/SIZE]

Christy

 

[Danielle_E.]

Don't get discouraged, read throught the lines

Official recommendations were also made to have Trembly sell a substantial amount of his herd.

Basically, what I get out of that is reduce your herd or else....He has no choice but to go along with the recommendation of the KCU vets or else....he faces having them seized. That puts pressure on him, concrete pressure. I still feel that it take a bit more time, it won't be overnight BUT I believe most will not be in his care sooner than later.

"They looked at them and said the horses were not in any dire need and they thought the feed was alright,” Trembly says

There could be some twisting here, trying to save face, my interpretation of what was said is none are in imminent danger of dying, meaning they aren't going to die overnight or in a day or a few days or a week BUT ... and they probably said, yes the feed you were buying was okay, just not enough and not with the issues these horses have, parasites and poor teeth.

Also remember, in cases like these, as Vicki said, this is the man's property (the horses) and unless they are in imminent danger of dying (immediate death), if they were to remove them and not have all their ducks in order, this individual could go to court and make a case to get them back. I think slow is the best route to go and I think this is what is happening, this is ONLY the beginning. Don't forget what Vicki said, there are other avenues to explore, which she mentioned earlier, that could be taken...patience everyone, we are moving forward :bgrin