Again, I am confused....

[luv2ridesaddleseat]

I need a Bonny update!!

 

[shelly]

ME TOO

I looked at both pics and YES she is definitely bigger now

Any movement yet?

 

[Bonny]

My maiden this year had us on tender hooks. I blood tested (neg), wee tested (pos) then she just never did a thing. No bag, only slightly bigger tum that disappeared again. I truely thought we had a phantom. Ended up having her manually tested (she 35.25) which was positive. She grew in size, but never bagged until 24 hours before. With small nipples that never grew until she was in labour. Over cooked, but very fine little filly.

Sounds like my situation! Only add to neg Us abdominally and she is growing. LOL!

I still worry there is no foal! Only a false pregnancy. I am waiting for a female vet of my friends to call back, she lives on the next street over, hoping she will make a house call! And palpate my Bonny girl.

Going out to check and feed now.

 

[shelly]

OH that would be so exciting!!!!! Keep us updated

 

[Bonny]

Ok so my picture taking skills were before coffee and I am not fully awake so they didnt come out very good.

But what I see that has changed is her bag is longer not so much fuller and it is starting to lower in the front.

I still get only clear fluid but it is much easier to express, well when she holds still. She doesnt want me to touch.

I cant tell a thing about her vulva at all when she is standing up.

But laying down it seems to be more relaxed. I dont know, and dont trust my opinion anyways. Thats why I am greatful for yall who are hanging in there and helping me through this. Mostly its Bonny that will benefit!

I feel like a student with many teachers!

So on to the pics.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08001.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08016.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08013.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08004.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08007.jpg

and the pics of her vulva laying down

this was in May

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479...5-1-08061-1.jpg

yesterday

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479...7-13-082010.jpg

 

[luv2ridesaddleseat]

I absolutely don't think this is a false pregnancy!! You ARE going to have a foal! Just when, who knows! But I can't wait!!!!!!!!!

Let us know the minute you hear if that Vet is comming!!!!!!!!

 

[Bonny]

Oh I will for sure! I hope she can. Hubby was looking up cameras last night and he hasnt made up his mind which one yet.

but when he does we will get it up. Hope its not to late!

I wake up on my own in the middle of the night and I check her with a spot light from the porch, but it would be nice no to disturb her.

Any comments on todays pics?

 

[luv2ridesaddleseat]

Theres a huge difference in her vulva! The pressure from the foal has made it swell! Thank God horses don't sit down. ouch!!

 

[Bonny]

Ok I deleted the blurry pics her are the new ones

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08021.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08022.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-14-08025.jpg

 

[Keri]

I would say you have at least a week or two. Her bag has tons to grow still. But she is also maiden, so you never know. Are you stressed yet???

 

[shelly]

Things seem to be moving/growing more and more every day...any movement seen or felt yet?

 

[Bonny]

well the other day I think I may have seen something stick out higher in her flank area. But I am not sure because it seems her flanks used to be fuller and harder to the touch, and now I can see a muscle that runs from the back downward to the front and it kind of sticks out. She was tearing the grass and I could see that muscle tensing so maybe that was it.

See I think she is lower. I thought I posted these pics but I looked back and I didnt so here they are

Back around april she seemed to be much higher,Now she seems lower

 

[Bonny]

Keri, Yes to a degree! More so I just want to know for sure if she IS or ISNT preg!

 

[luv2ridesaddleseat]

Any new Bonny news this morning? I miss my little Cookie so much.

 

[shelly]

OH YES, definitely lower and bigger around!!!

Will she let you do the morning belly feel when you give her grain or treats?

 

[Bonny]

She is so tired of me messing with her. I take my am pics today, she seems the same as if all the progress came to a halt? She is still grouchy and ever little bang makes her jump.

If anything changes I will let yall know. Thanks for asking!

Yall have been the best!

 

[Bonny]

I do have one question, it seems to me her flanks have sunk in some. Would yall look and see if you agree. I dont know if you can tell anything in these pictures.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479...e/7-2-08020.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479...e/7-2-08019.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-15-08031.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479.../7-15-08033.jpg

 

[mizbeth]

I have a young mare that "always gets a bag" when she is cycling. ( A LARGE BAG) So perhaps this is what is happening to your mare?

They are all so different.......................it is confusing for sure, but with all the testing you have had done that says she is negative for pregancy she is probably not in foal or was not at the time of testing. Hopefully you will have a nice foal in the year to come.

Please let us know, the bag you show photos of is "not a bag" in my opinion.

B

Oh gosh!

I did not read all the posts nor did I see the photos of her "sides". She does appear to be bred but cannot tell how far along at this point.

PS. I did not read all of the comments either...............

Sorry.

B

 

[SunQuest]

Bonny,

I am not sure that her flanks have sunken, althought it appears that way. What I am thinking is that in reality the baby has "dropped" down which is making your mare appear to be thinner in that area.

So what you are seeing is a change in where the baby is being carried and there are normally 3 of those changes that I notice which seem to occure in the month or so before birth. The baby will "drop" down first, then move back, and then finally will rotate into position in the hours before birth. Sometimes these changes are subtle, other times they are very obvious, and it always depends on the mare and the fetus.

Like I Shelly said, it is obvious that there is a change in her shape and that things have "dropped".

As far as being jumpy, since she is a maiden mare, she doesn't understand what is happening. I am betting that the baby is kicking and just generally causing havock due to it's cramped quarters and she doesn't understand why she is feeling the sensations that she has.

I wonder, does anyone know if mares can have false labors like humans can? I only wonder because I know that mares can actually stop the early stages of labor if necessary for the safety of the foal, so would they be more likely to have "false alarms" because of this?

Also, being cranky is normal as well. She is after all carrying all that weight and just looking at her makes me tired. Laughs. As far as things coming to a halt, they haven't. There is obvious changes in the past week, but more changes in the bag, which are the most obvious, may not be so obvious until closer to foaling since she is a maiden. So don't get discouraged as you are doing everything right by just watching her like you are doing.

Do keep an eye on the area immediately on either side of the tail head where the tail joins the body. If you press lightly next to the tail head, you should see how easy (or not) it is to move the tail head. The closer to foaling, the more like jello this area gets, and the easier the tail head will move. This will probably be one of your changes that you will start to notice before long. The muscles in this area must relax to allow the baby to be born. On maiden mares, this area may remain firmer longer, at least that is my experience.

Can't wait to see how she progresses.

 

[Bonny]

Mzbeth its ok. Its been a hard to follow story thats for sure.

at this point she is at a stand still in my opinion.

The last few days she has been very grouchy and also she has been nervous acting. Today she seems sluggish.

Dont know whats up but I am feeling better about everything knowing better what to look for and what she is doing.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out!

Thanks Sunquest were posted about the same time,lol. I am not exactly where she will get jello ish but I think I get it! this area?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479...-15-08012-1.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/479...-15-08029-1.jpg