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PICA BEHAVIOR IN HORSES

Pica, or depraved appetite, refers to the eating of materials other than normal food. This behavior can range from licking to actually eating foreign substances, and can be classified according to the type of material involved. Some of the more common types are: osteophagia, the chewing of bones; coprophagia, the eating of feces; lignophagia, the chewing and eating of wood; and geophagia, the eating of soil or sand. These behaviors can lead to serious and even fatal digestive complications, and therefore should not be taken lightly.

CAUSES

The expression of pica behavior sometimes indicates an underlying health problem. This problem may be the lack of dietary bulk fiber, or the deficiency of individual nutrients such as salt, phosphorous and potassium. Chronic abdominal pain due to stomach and intestinal disorders and nervous system disturbances are also causes of pica. Frequently, a behavior begun in response to one of these conditions then becomes habitual.

Phosphorous deficiency most typically occurs in grazing animals in areas where the soil is very low in phosphorous, but it can occur in barn feeding as well. Affected horses may eat bone, wood, cloth, and other materials to which they have access. Phosphorous and iron deficiencies are known to induce soil eating, while potassium deficient animals may lick at wood and concrete. Sodium deficiency is more common in hot environments and in strenuously exercised animals, and induces salt seeking behaviors such as licking dirt and drinking urine.

Wood chewing horses seem to exhibit a desire for roughage or cellulose, as do animals who eat their bedding. By nature, horses spend much of their time grazing and if this activity is curtailed, such as when stabled, they are likely to seek other materials to consume. Lengthy periods of confinement, often combined with concentrated feeds that are quickly consumed, can cause boredom and lead to abnormal eating behaviors. Imbalanced rations, feeding at the wrong time of day and heavy worm burdens have also been found to contribute to this condition. Note that while in foals the eating of feces is so common as to be considered normal, it is abnormal in the adult. Adult horses who eat feces are typically stabled in loose boxes, and often have undergone a change in routine or management.

TREATMENT AND PREVENTION

Control of pica behavior in horses requires close attention to all aspects of the diet. Feed analysis should be a routine practice, to aid in prevention of deficiencies and related pica behavior. Salt and mineral supplements should be made available at all times, and fresh feed such as grass, greens or carrots should be offered regularly. Feeding times should be consistent, with late night or early morning feeding being included in the schedule. Always provide hay when feeding concentrates, to fulfil grazing behavior as well as for balanced nutrition. Regular deworming is also recommended.

Once pica has been noted in an animal, steps must be taken to try and determine the underlying cause. Have your veterinarian examine the animal for anemia, worm burdens and possible mineral deficiencies, and provide appropriate treatments where indicated. If the animal in question has been on pasture, soil and forage analysis may be necessary to determine nutritional values. When health problems have been identified or ruled out, then measures can be taken to treat the behavior. Although it may be impossible to determine a direct cause of pica, through trial and error it is usually possible to find a method of treatment that controls the behavior.

Access to extensive pastures can help control pica in previously stabled horses, but the problem may still persist. Control of wood chewing can be attempted by regularly painting wooden surfaces with creosote. Including sawdust in a high concentrate diet can inhibit wood chewing, and can be considered as a control measure when access to pasture is limited. Horses who regularly eat soiled bedding or feces may have to be cross-tied. Confined animals should also be provided with enforced exercise. Control of pica may also be done by muzzling the animal, but the best remedy is to correct the underlying cause
 
Good information, Whitney........

I HATE keeping any horse stalled for very long. It's just not natural -- even our show horses get turned out for hours at a time. And our expectant mom's are stalled only at night. Much of our herd is outside in different mini-herds 24/7, with an option to seek shelter.

Horses naturally are roamers and need space, so the chewing is them telling us they are unhappy, bored, and missing something in their diet.

Just my 2 cents.....

MA
 
Miniv this is the wierd part my horses are never stalled they have access to a dry lot 24/7. I think my problem is the DRY LOT. So project for next year is mini pastures and MUZZLES with itty bitty holes in them.
 
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Whitney,

What is your daily feeding practice? Kind of hay? Grain? Mineral/Salt block? Etc......

Oh, and if you are feeding hay (some people don't), how long does it take for them to eat it up?

MA
 
Another reason horses chew what they should not.... BOREDOM ! They are actually pretty bright. Think about it. What does a kid do when bored? Something he or she shouldn't because that's more fun than behaving. The brighter the kid / horse ...the more things he/she/it will get into when bored.

I have found stall balls to be worthless. The horses don't even look at them. What they will play with for HOURS are things that make noise when they stomp on them (milk jugs with rocks in them, etc.) But be sure to remove them and give them a new one if they start to tear them apart. You don't want them swallowing any pieces.
 
underweight, stressed or starved horses do it too. a few years ago I got a yearling filly delivered. she showed up very thin. We noticed right away that she was constantly eating her own manure. Vet came out and suspected it was stress from the move and the fact that she was plain hungry. Started feeding her up and she then stopped eating manure.
 
Miniv or ANYONE else that has any ideas for making my management more mini friendly

Here goes:

Heated water 24/7

Access to drylot 24/7 They have individual stalls, each stall has its own drylot

Access to trace mineral salt block

6 pounds grass hay two flakes per day in those feeders I made it takes them about 4 1/2 hours to finish each hay meal.

They have milk jugs in their stall with 1/2 apple cut up into pieces each am and pm

Everything below is soaked in warm water and fed twice a day at 5:30 a.m. and 5:30 p.m.

Buckeye Gro N Win 1/4 cup twice a day

1 cup dry beet pulp without mollassus/ 1/8 cup wheat bran

1/4 cup alfalfa pellets

1/2 squirt corn oil

1 Tablespoon linseed meal

They are wormed every 8 weeks on a rotation program

Phyllium every month for 7 days

5 in 1 shots, WNV, and rabies given every year

Gary Fluhr does their dental every 6 months

Fecals done once a year they have always been clean

I bed with woody pet

As I noted earlier the ONLY thing I can think of is pasture time, which I will be installing in the spring.
 
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kim

you say each has its own drylot. So are they always seperate?? If they are I would get it so they can be together certain hrs of the day. If they are always seperate this could be stressing them

You have seen my horses and know i like to keep them at a good even weight. (which is not easy lol) but I really do subscribe to the kiss feeding method. Do your horses really need all that extra stuff??

also i have seen a lot of minis that eat woody pet. I would watch for that also
 
Kaykay here's more information

Dusty (gelding) and Tweet (mare) are out together during the day, they both can go into Tweets stall if the weather turns bad. Trystan (stallion) in unfortunately by himself. However their is a barn cat who has adopted him. He was used to being by himself at Kens so he has more interaction now than he did before. He's in love with my Q.H. mare Sadie which is 12' across from him. He does not pace etc. or in any other way act lonely.

Do you think the shipping from Illinois set him up for the gastric problems? I'm pretty sure I am dealing with ulcers. He was really picky about eating when he first got to my place he was on sweet feed, didn't drink hardly any water, I put him on electrolytes and soaked beet pulp and he came around.

I have never noticed any of my horses eating the woody pet and I spend a considerable amount of time just watching my horses, instead of cleaning the house like I should.

The extras: corn oil, linseed meal, and beet pulp. I think are very important for various reasons. I don't think they would cause any gastric problems from the research I have, they improve gut function. Also they have been on these in some cases for years.
 
kim

im just thinking out loud here. Im not familiar with grow n win but I went and looked. Its very high protein. Also it has alfalfa in it and you also feed alfalfa pellets. Depending on what protein percentage your hay is you could be really overloading on protein. Some grass hays can be very high. Have you had it tested? And idle mature horse that is not performing or breeding really doesnt need a high protein diet.

Also i agree that beet pulp etc can help function, but you are feeding so many at once that it could be overkill?? Again just thinking out loud.
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As for the stallion what are his symptoms?? And yes I definately feel that horses get very stressed by being moved and sometimes its very hard to see. If I remember right he had never been off the farm he was born at. Then he went to ginnys and then to your place. So I do think thats a lot of stress.
 
Kay thanks so much for helping me bounce this stuff around. I think I have worn poor Ginia out.

Robin and I calculated the overall diet at 12% protein. Hay tested at 9.38%.

Trystans signs are really subtle, picking up rocks, takes a really long time to finish his hay sometimes doesn't finish it. Just acts off. However he always finishes his beetpulp mix. Stools are good. Seems to be some gut tenderness.
 
When we brought Trystan here from Ken's place in Missouri, (which only amounted to 5 days before we took him on home,) his food intake was quite small even tho we brought bales of hay and a bag of the sweet feed he had been getting all along. He drank VERY LITTLE water, which concerned me. Seemed content tho, didn't really pace his stall or act up much in the round pen, just "dug a little hole" in front of his stall door overnight each night. He really didn't act like a stressed horse to me. This whole thing is SUCH a mystery, and I'd almost think it was a jinx on things coming from my place LOL, except Trys was like that as soon as he came here. Psychotherapy maybe???????
 
maybe we need to call bonnie
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okay whered ma go cus id be really interested to see what she thinks too

12 percent would be right where you would want it. But im still confused on why the alfalfa pellets lol

Now I will say tamale is a very slow eater and always has been. And during breeding season he wont hardly eat at all. And he also drinks very little water compared to our other horses, even though hes fed basically the same.

I think some horses show stress so subtley that we miss it. I just cant imagine a horse being moved and not stressed about it. It had to be a big change for him going from a pasture brat for x amount of years to being loaded on a trailer for the first time and moved off the only farm he knew for so many years.

Now we all move horses all the time so dont get me wrong, not at all sayign anyone did anything wrong lol. But I always just assume that any horse moved here is a stressed horse and do whatever I can to lesson it. I have had horses settle in within weeks and I have had some take months.

The main thing I have seen with horses moved is not to do too much with them. Especially training. Some people get them off the trailer and immediately start putting them into training programs and they just cant handle it mentally since they are still trying to acclimate to the new place. I had a friend run into this with a new horse. She broke out with skin problems which the vet felt were stress induced.
 
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This is not an issue only stalled horses have.. stalls are not the horses enemy period.

I have worked with half a million dollar hunter and jumpers they are stalled a majority of the day and DONT have stall vices, dont eat wood and really enjoy there life of luxury.

The olympic horses are not out in pastures all year round and trust me if they werent perfectly happy and content they would not be at the top of there game. They need to not only be physically fit but mentally as well.

There are MILLIONS of horses all over the country that are top show horses and stalled with adaquate turn out and work and they are all fine and happy.

my horses are stalled at night they LOVE there barn and run to there stalls from the pasture. All I do is open the gate and off they go

so stalling may not work for some horses but it is perfect for others like people they all have there own likes and dislikes and without a doubt my horses prefer the shelter of there barn, the auto fly system and there creature comforts and wouldnt be happy out there living like mustangs.

They dont eat wood or have stall vices period.
 
Whitney,

Are they ALL chewing or acting funny? And how long have you had your new stallion?

I'm sensing he IS stressing, but quietly. He might be a little depressed?

MA
 
Kay I feel exactly the same way about training. The only thing I have done with him is leading and lounging him and that was only while he was in the basement, over a month ago now, and then the lessons were VERY short.

The alfalfa is a known acid reducer something about the calcium in alfalfa. However as Ginia will tell you I am not an alfalfa fan. So this was the only way I could add it and know EXACTLY how much they were getting. Last year my hay was alfalfa/grass mix this year it is straight grass.

Thats the BEAUTY of this I have NO KNOWLEDGE of normal stallion behavior. However at Kens he only had 15 minutes of turn out twice a day and was kept in approx. a 10x10 stall the rest of the time. He loves to be able to come and go now and really enjoys his afternoon naps in the sun.

As far as water I like to see at least 1% of body weight in water consumption everyday or I worry.

I put him on Zantac (5) 150 mg pills every 8 hours......yesterday afternoon with a pepto regular strength chaser and he seems more interested in life and his hay this am. I think 60 days of gastrogard is in order.

The saga continues.................................................................
 
Miniv nope my gelding Dusty is fine. However he has always since a weanling been on drylot these other two have always had pasture time. I think Tryst was originally stressed by the trip which set up an ulcer which is now rearing its ugly head. Is it possible to have an ulcer that wasn't healed when symptoms stopped? (I think I could answer that one for humans I can feel one coming on after all of this. Hold on I think I have an extra tube of gastrogard and some pepto left for myself.)

I've had Tryst since the 2nd week in Sept.

LISA I TOTALLY AGREE. Thats why these little unstressed TURDS are so complexing. Also the number of mini foal ulcers just BLOWS me AWAY.
 

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