Appy Experts

[rabbitsfizz]

No, Appy does not "hide" or "skip" generations, just like Pinto.

The problems occur when people misidentify animals that have "characteristics" as "solid"

 

[Sandee]

Sandee, who ever told you that small horses can't have Appy coloration is wrong. There are a lot of small Appy marked minis now. I have one that is 30.25 and another that is 31.50. And, I'm sure there are many under 30".
Your horse has white feet because it has white legs. If you look at the original post, that mare has white feet and dark legs

. Pintos can have white sclera ,too.

You misunderstood me. I know that minis can be appy but I was told at first that the silver dapple could cause the mottling of the mouth and genitial so when he threw appy I was surprised. I was not wanting an appy. Wouldn't trade him now but I do want to understand.

 

[HGFarm]

They have discovered that some Appy traits can be 'suppressed'- and they are still Appy. And silver dapples can have mottling without being Appy. Tricky isnt it?

 

[Lost Spoke Ranch]

Thank you all so much for the insight. Wow Lucky-C, What changes! how exciting! Dawn, I have never seen her parents, but as listed on her papers they are:45348A 4G's HF Moon Shadow Apache Sundance grey pinto

NFCS Moon Shadow(AMHA)

4G's Hemlock Brook Spot (AMHA)

10699B Bonnalee of the Rising Sun liver chestnut

UNKN/UNKN

She was bred by Cathy Frost of Mystic Valley Ranch, some day I'm going to go visit her... I would love to know more about where/who her liniage is. Anyone know her family?

Hello again:

I was only able to find information on two of the horses you have listed in your mares pedigree and although I didn't find any appaloosas in there to account for some of her coloration, it certainly doesn’t mean there may not be some back there somewhere. I did find plenty of pinto as a possible source for some of her coat patterns though.

Should she not have a source of appaloosa found in her back ground some of her color could be explained by a suggestion I alluded to in my previous post. Her white mane and tail, un-pigmented feet, mild dappling, and mottling could be attributed to the silver gene.

Her spotting that resembles the snowflake pattern in appaloosa could be what are called “bird catcher spots” associated with sabino pinto. Some of her roaning and ticking could also be from sabino. She has A LOT of pinto in the two horses I was able to find information on that could be a possible source for some of her patterning.

My out side the box thinking may or may not be what you were hoping for and should only be view as a possibility. I hope you find it helpful.

Dawn

 

[Lost Spoke Ranch]

I really need to research more on appaloosa colors!
But whatever your mare is, my stallion (avatar) is the same thing! He was born with no spots other than pinto, then started getting some small white spots all over his body, that looked like the snowflake pattern. Then he began getting a TON of them, they started marbling/mixing together, and now his butt is about completely white, and his front half still has those little spots. So maybe he's a varnish.... aww I won't be able to see his pinto patterns much longer!

I am unable to see the horse in your avatar very well, but from what I can see he looks like he may be a good example of what I was referring to in my earlier post as exhibiting "bird catcher spots". They are thought to be associated with sabino pinto.

Dawn

 

[candycar]

Thanks Dawn for looking into the Appy question and Lexys family more. Maybe someday I'll get her tested for ?? silver(although I figure that's a given) Is there a test for appy? I had no idea until this thread that silvers can have mottling(she sure has alot!) and pintos can have white sclera. She does have 1 stripe on one of her feet, but that can also be the silver. So what can I safely call her color? Black based Silver Varnish Roan? Whew! how confusing!

 

[xxs]

One possible reason for not finding any Appy in the background, is pintaloosas! If the ancestors were registered a pintos, and were actually pintaloosa, that could be an explanation , also . I have two pintaloosas that are registered as pinto, and they are full sisters. There dam is registered as an Appaloosa and their sire is a solid. The registry never questioned why an Appy and a solid produced two pintos!!!! They neither show a lot of Appy spotting, but man do they have HEAVY characteristics.

 

[xxs]

Sandee, I went back and re -read what you had written, and I misread your post the first time. I read it to say: I was originally told that silver dapple could also cause (or have) mottling and since HE was so tiny that he certainly didn't have appaloosa. ...instead of HIS, as you wrote it. My sincere apologies .