Canadian Horses exported into the US

[mmmorgans]

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[backwoodsnanny]

I dont know about horses but I was involved with a nightmare that involved 9 sheep going from US into Canada what a run around and volumes of paperwork. Supposed to have gone May 1 ended up going August 28th. There were 4 vets involved in that one 2 US and 2 Canadian. and when it came down to it they had 30 days to cross once all the money and paperwork was done hmm 4 months to allow then only 30 days to achieve.

 

[MiLo Minis]

We have taken horses from here in Ontario across the border into the States many times both for showing and having sold them. Once we got stopped for an inspection which they can request at any time going either into or out of the States. IF you fill out your own bill of lading properly with all the required information, are carrying the correct paperwork such as coggins and international health cert, rabies cert in some States, registration papers and they are your own personal horses you don't need to have an SCAC account with labels - that is only for commercial shippers. Its relatively easy if you go about it the right way! :bgrin

 

[Mona]

We have taken horses from here in Ontario across the border into the States many times both for showing and having sold them. Once we got stopped for an inspection which they can request at any time going either into or out of the States. IF you fill out your own bill of lading properly with all the required information, are carrying the correct paperwork such as coggins and international health cert, rabies cert in some States, registration papers and they are your own personal horses you don't need to have an SCAC account with labels - that is only for commercial shippers. Its relatively easy if you go about it the right way! :bgrin

It has always been though, that if the single shipment is greater than a certain amount(not even sure what that price amount is anymore), it MUST be done through a broker.

: This has been in effect for MANY years...at least 8 or 10 if not longer.

 

[mmmorgans]

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[Mona]

So when did all this come about? Maybe all borders do not enforce this, because I have yet to be told I need to do this. They had that PAPS coming in and I inquired at that time and they told me I did not have to do this.

 

[mmmorgans]

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[Mona]

Not sure when this all took effect - and maybe some of the crossings are allowing horses through without this whole messy procedure. But I called several US border crossings and was told the same thing - over and over again. Apparently there are some horse groups in Canada questioning the need for all of this - so who knows what may happen down the road. All I know is that I cannot transport a horse that I have sold - into the US - without all of this. What a pain!!!

Well, I suppose you could export it as the owner and say reason for export as sale. Then you would be the owner at the time you took it across.

 

[mmmorgans]

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[HGFarm]

Wow, all of that sounds ridiculous and what a headache!!!

I was going to suggest showing here and then 'selling it' from here- obviously that wont work.

 

[Mona]

Mona - you would still need to do all of the export papers as you cannot go into the US (let's say to a show) and sell a horse at the show without this process being followed. There is an $8-$10,000 fine for doing that - it is completely against the law - so there really is no legal way around all of this.

Yes, I know that you cannot take a horse into the US on temporary papers and sell it, because the horse MUST enter back into Canada within the 30 days time period, BUT, if you are bringing the horse across on permanent export papers to sell, then I would think you could do it this way, because technically, YOU are still the owner at the time of crossing. The sale could be made upon your arrival into the US.

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[mmmorgans]

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[Mona]

but I am just letting everyone know that taking a horse to a show and selling it there is illegal as far as US Customs is concerned.

Yes, that is definately correct...it has beem that way for at least as long as I have been raising minis.