Color gurus...

[Maple Hollow Farm]

Ok I am curious how a solid horse out of solid horses can have blue eyes. Also what chances do I have then of this mare throwing color??? What patterns could be associated with her. She is a smokey black filly that is out of a dun stallion, Marystown Windchaser, who I believe is owned by a forum member and a perlino mare. her grandparents are LK Santana Supreme, who is listed as a buckskin, Bon To Win (listed as chestnut), MTC Back Street (palomino), Kay-Ritz Mello Puff (dun). So where does the blue eye come from

. Just curious and thanks for any opinions or thoughts on this!

Here is a cute pic of her and her pretty blue eye for the fun of it

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[Sue_C.]

Welllllllllll....I shall "stick my neck out" here, and say that I think she carries sabino, at least. I see a few "roanish" hairs on her forehead. Does she have any other white hairs anywhere else on her body...any white at all on her feet?

 

[Maple Hollow Farm]

there isnt any other white hairs on her body that I can see, I have never body clipped her though so there is always a chance she may have some. Thanks for replying

 

[MBhorses]

she is a doll. she came come to my house to bred to my black splash white stud

for some white

 

[kayla221444]

splash is normally what brings out blue eyes.

 

[Maple Hollow Farm]

she is a doll. she came come to my house to bred to my black splash white stud

for some white

Thanks and only if you bring her right back LOL

I got lucky last year and had the opportunity to get this filly at way below her value and I looove her!!!

 

[pinkapache]

Check underneath her, chin, belly etc. It could even be that she has white inside her mouth or bottom of her feet as already stated. Happy hunting!

 

[kayla221444]

I Read the post again (thought u had said 2 blue eyes), sometimes 1 blue eye is a good indacator of LWO. We have had several horses, here to have 1 blue eye and almost all of them tested + for LWO. Only 1 didn't, and I suspect she is carrying Splash.

 

[Carolyn R]

Splash or LWO.

There is no way to tell if a horse carries the LWO+ gene without testing, regardless of having 1 blue eye, 2 blue eyes, partial blue eyes, or even at times brown eyes.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Test for OLW+ but I suspect it is Splash, even though there is only one blue eye.

Of course, it is not worth not testing on a suspicion.....

 

[Maple Hollow Farm]

Thanks for all the input, if I decide to test her what all should I test her for, she has to carry creme, but I could test her for black, and is there a test for splash? Is there any test that I can do multiple tests for one price, I know of the one that had every test in it but I heard it wasnt reliable, where do I go for the best results?

 

[Molly's Run Minis]

my grandfather owns pulling horses and once in a while he'll buy one or we'll see one at the fairs with a blue eye, also known as a 'wall eye'. drafts don't carry sabino, pinto, tobiano, etc. it is simply caused by lack of pigment in the eye which causes it to turn blue, it might be from genetics or just lack of the pigmentation when born. or her dam could be hiding her true color

edit to add: if you want to test her color this place does it: www.animalgenetics.us/EquinePricing.htm

from what i hear they're very reliable

 

[Sue_C.]

drafts don't carry sabino, pinto, tobiano

A few years ago I would have agreed with this statement, except in the case of Clydes...but it is thought now, that any horse with ANY face or leg white, is carrying a form of pinto gene.

I know the clydes have it a lot...I have seen some registered stock that are as colourful as any pinto. I have seen lots of Belgians with white faces, and more than a few with a white coronet or sock. Percherons, not so much...it is quite rare to see any white on one of them...it has been culled-out pretty hard. Then, there are the multitudes of other draft breeds, many of which show a lot of facial and leg white.

Then too, you have the spotterd draft, which has been bred all over for decades...but hardly seen until the popularity of the "Gypsy Vanner" hit North America.

 

[Carolyn R]

The only test of the highest importance, if you are going to breed her, is the test for LWO.

You should NEVER breed two LWO positive horses (25% chance of a lethal white foal that will ALWAYS end up dieing).

Any test beyond that is purely done out of curiosity and to try to fulfill a color genetics breeding goal.

 

[Maple Hollow Farm]

I will probably test her eventually, I just hope it is neg. since I dont want to test every stallion I would ever want her bred to. I used to raise overo paint horses so I know all about LWO. I will make sure that if she is positive I am careful of who I breed her to!

 

[Molly's Run Minis]

drafts don't carry sabino, pinto, tobiano

A few years ago I would have agreed with this statement, except in the case of Clydes...but it is thought now, that any horse with ANY face or leg white, is carrying a form of pinto gene.

I know the clydes have it a lot...I have seen some registered stock that are as colourful as any pinto. I have seen lots of Belgians with white faces, and more than a few with a white coronet or sock. Percherons, not so much...it is quite rare to see any white on one of them...it has been culled-out pretty hard. Then, there are the multitudes of other draft breeds, many of which show a lot of facial and leg white.

Then too, you have the spotterd draft, which has been bred all over for decades...but hardly seen until the popularity of the "Gypsy Vanner" hit North America.

oh i was talking about belgians haha! i know about the clydes. i myself have to dissagree with the statement "that any horse with ANY face or leg white, is carrying a form of pinto gene." that's impossible! that would mean that 80% of the horse population is pinto, and as far as i see thats not true! i have a little filly with some white on her face and she doesn't have 1 spotted relative, so she can't be a pinto.

 

[love_casper]

oh i was talking about belgians haha! i know about the clydes. i myself have to dissagree with the statement "that any horse with ANY face or leg white, is carrying a form of pinto gene." that's impossible! that would mean that 80% of the horse population is pinto, and as far as i see thats not true! i have a little filly with some white on her face and she doesn't have 1 spotted relative, so she can't be a pinto.

Actually, that's exactly right (the bold part). More of the horse population carries some form of pinto than most people like to believe. Die-hard breeders of breeds such as some drafts and Appaloosas like to swear that their horses contain no pinto. "Pinto" doesn't necessarily mean loud patterns, it means white markings. Tobiano doesn't cause face white, it's the overos, and those are very commonly seen in minimal form. There is a belief that restrictor genes exist that inhibit the white patterns from being expressed in some horses. But you can see it with Sabino arabians, some breeders intentionally choose the ones with more socks or face white in hopes of getting a louder marked horse that's still pure arab.

ALL blue eyes, partial blues, etc are because of overo, except in the case of double dilutes. There is no such thing as "normal face white" or "just a sock" ... there's got to be some gene causing it. There have been cases where two horses that only had stripes, and one had a partial blue eye, have produced loudly marked pinto babies. Sometimes 4 even white socks indicate tobiano, and very often a horse with just socks will produce a wild tobiano pattern from a solid parent. This is why when horses are registered as "solid" I don't read into it much - it just means they didn't have enough white to be registered as what we think of when we hear the word pinto, but looking at a pedigree and decided that a horse has no pinto in its background means nothing.

 

[love_casper]

Oh, as a side note, would you mind if I used that pic for that genetics website I'm almost finished with? Let me know if you test her, so I can appropriately label it. She's a great example of a minimal overo, typical of splash but definitely nice to know for sure.

 

[Maple Hollow Farm]

Thanks for all the input guys, I might decide to test her later on.

Oh, as a side note, would you mind if I used that pic for that genetics website I'm almost finished with? Let me know if you test her, so I can appropriately label it. She's a great example of a minimal overo, typical of splash but definitely nice to know for sure.

Feel free, I will let you know if I get her tested! Thanks again everyone!