Could she be smoky cream and not cremello?

[rosaroca]

My new filly, born Easter morning and a day after the evacuation from the Oklahoma wildfires, is puzzling me. I don't raise a lot of dilutes, but she's not white or even creamy white like I'd expect a perlino or cremello to be. She has pink skin and blue eyes, no doubt about that, and both parents are cream-carriers (palomino and buckskin). The dam has thrown several black foals for me by bay stallions. Neither parent has been color tested.

The filly was born an extremely light sandy-gray color. The star on her forehead is clearly visible. She's the same color all over, body, points, and mane/tail. She is ever-so-slightly darker than the pale palomino filly born last month by the same stallion.

I'll have her color tested when she's a bit older, but does anyone have photos of proven smoky cream foals they could post for comparison?

 

[rosaroca]

Oh, sorry: here are photos of her.

Pat

 

[crponies]

I think she needs to come to Acampo for closer inspection. LOL Seriously, to know for sure you would need to get her tested for red factor and agouti. From the pictures I have seen with known results, there is a great variety of shades in these double cream horses so you can't really tell for sure by just looking.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

As we just saw with Mona's foal (who turned out to test Perlino) there is just NO way to tell by looking...I'd have laid money on that filly testing Smoky Cream, but she wasn't.

Anything is possible, pretty much

I would just be happy you have a healthy CrCr foal and test when you can!!!

 

[IloveMiniatureshorses]

Hi,

She looks to be a cremello. Not to be offensive to anybody, but I just don't believe in smokey creams. I don't think it is a "true" color. I think cremellos and perlinos can be your best guesses; or the rare champagne.

Alyssa

 

[crponies]

What do you mean you don't believe in smoky cream? What do you think happens when a horse is black with two copies of the cream gene? That's all a smoky cream is - E/-, a/a, Cr/Cr

 

[IloveMiniatureshorses]

Well, they still can produce perlinos. I have seen smokey creams, and they look like perlinos anyways.....Sorry if that offended you...

 

[crponies]

It didn't offend me. I was just trying to help you understand that although they may look alike or nearly alike perlinos and smoky creams are not the same genetically. A perlino is a bay with two copies of the cream gene, and a smoky cream is a black with two copies of the cream gene. (A cremello would be a sorrel/chestnut with two copies of the cream gene.)

 

[love_casper]

Hi,She looks to be a cremello. Not to be offensive to anybody, but I just don't believe in smokey creams. I don't think it is a "true" color. I think cremellos and perlinos can be your best guesses; or the rare champagne.

Alyssa

Well, they still can produce perlinos. I have seen smokey creams, and they look like perlinos anyways.....Sorry if that offended you...

Really???????

Well. I simply do not believe in buckskins. I have seen buckskins and they look like bays anyway!!!!

So if you have a double dilute that tests EE (black based - so not cremello) but aa (negative for agouti so not perlino) what do YOU think it is???

I'm just gonna......

on this one. Lol.

As for the filly, can't tell, would be interested in knowing what she tests out as.