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carlenehorse

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I need to get a bit for my harness. Someone told me not to use the one that came with the harness as they are chunker. I don't know where to get one. Who has good driving half cheek snaffle bits? What size do you get? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks Carlene
 
Just about every mini only tack store has half cheeck snaffles.Ozark, Star Lake, KayJay, they are all good. Remember, if you find cheap bits ($6 or so) they are most likely a piece of crap, but not always.

Take an unsharpened pencil and place it in the horses mouth where the bit would be. Make note of other side, then measure.

Any questions, just ask!
 
Thanks Alex on the pencil you mark both sides of the pencil to see the size in her mouth?

Carlene
 
I am wondering....if you spend only $6 so it's probably a cheaply made bit, how can you tell if you spend $30 if it's a good bit? I will be bit shopping soon, and don't want to get taken to the cleaners!

Mayville
 
Exactly Mayville that is why I asked I want to know what brand is the best. I don't mind spending the money but I am not knowledgable enough on bits to know which brand is the best.

Carlene
 
Iowa Valley Carriage has a good selection of well-made miniature horse bits. One choice that many(not necessarily ALL)horses may accept and 'go' well in is the French link mouthpiece--I believe Sandee at Iowa Valley(who is VERY nice to work with!) offers those is both a half cheek and a butterfly; many miniature drivers are able to use a half cheek style on their single driving horses.The bits are reasonably priced for the quality...in the $30-50 range, as I recall.

Margo

(training and driving my own miniatures since '85--and my own riding and competition horses for a good many years before that...and successfully competitive...so I*think* I speak from experience!
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I will once again mention my pet peeve with so many Mini bits: the bulges in the bars of the mouthpiece. A well made bit will have nice smooth bars. Unfortunately so many Mini bits are made with bulges in the bars--look carefully at the mouthpiece, and if you see a lump in the middle of the bar (in case you're wondering the bar is the part of the mouthpiece between the ring and the center joint) then that is not a good thing. The bars should be nice and smooth. A bit with those bulges in it will concentrate the pressure from the bit on those two little spots in the horse's mouth.

If you're looking at bits on-line or even in catalogues, often those bulges are visible even in the photos. Sometimes in photos they are not obvious--I've learned to ASK the seller specifically about this part of the bit, and ask if the bit is returnable if it arrives and I find that it actually does have those bulges after I have specifically been told it doesn't...I've bought the half cheek jointed snaffles from Mini express and they have been okay. Same goes for the copper mouth french link bits. In fact the Mini Express copper mouth french link bits are the only french links I've found that are worth buying. A friend that was buying bits for me at Nationals this year said they had stainless steel bits with a copper link; she thought the bars looked a bit thick and wondered if that was the bulges I had warned her to look for, so she didn't buy any of those. She brought back only the copper mouth bits that I had specified.

I have an absolutely lovely half cheek jointed snaffle that I bought used from someone a couple years ago. She didn't remember where she'd bought it from, and I'd sure like to know where she did get that bit--if they still sell that style I'd like to buy a couple more. It's the best Mini snaffle I've come across--well made with nice smooth bars and a very small center joint. Some bits have such large joints they cannot possibly be comfortable for a Mini.

Things to look for--smooth bars, small joints, non-pinch cheeks. If you buy a french link look for one with a short link, as the longer the link the more severe the bit is. If you buy copper you must remember to check it carefully for rough edges after each use. If a horse chews on a copper bit too much he can make a real mess of it. Copper is soft so a horse's teeth can really gouge it badly, creating rough edges or even weakening it to the point where it's unsafe to use again. Minis tend to have shallow mouths, so you want a bit that is a bit thinner as opposed to a thicker one. A thick bit is milder than a thin one, but if the bit is too thick to be comfortable for the horse then it isn't what you should be using.
 
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I have a butterfly french link that I believe came from the place Margo mentioned. I absolutely love it, and so does my overly sensitive little mare. She refused to go in the standard snaffle that came with the harness, she would not move forward, rear, and throw a fit when I tried to bridle her. I resorted to driving in a halter for many years (no flames please) because she was beautiful in the cart as long as she was bit-less. The first time I put the french link in her mouth, she was incredible! She immediately accepted the bit, never fought it once, and never has since. I also use a french link on my sensitive TB (a loose ring) and she loves it too. They are very mild bits, and I think they are a great choice. However, if you only want the snaffle, I have been very happy with the quality of this bit, and would assume that they would carry other good quality products.
 
believe it or not the "cheap" Weaver mini bits (priced around $15-20) i've fund to be quite well made and are of stainless steel.

Things to look for in a bit:

1.) stainless steel or other quality metals (copper ect). Nickle or plated nickle is usually junk and will rust out fast. Also rarely constructed well ect and are usually the really cheap priced ones. These are usually the bits that come with the harness's for some reason! I will say i personally do not like copper at all and avoid it.

2.) the side rings should be well attached to the bars. I'm not just talking "loose ring" either. Many of the poorer quality half cheeks have a lot of "play' in the way they are connected. they can wiggle side to side and up and down ect and have a ton of room to pinch the lips and cause ouchies. you want something that is tightly connected without big gaps that can pinch. The rings should be able to move easily back and forth in the manner they are made to move but not every which way. (hope that make sense). Unfortunatly, again these are the type of bits that seem to come on our harness's. very pinchy and ouchy bits.

3.) nice smooth mouth peices. I've found typically all my horses big and small tend to like thinner bars over bulky fat ones. Even though theoretically the fatter the bars the more mild the bit, i just think fat bars are too fat for most horses mouths. good sensitive drivers/riders hands is the BEST.

4.) The mildest form of snaffle is a mullen mouth (straight bar with no joint), then a French link, and then a sinle jointed all with NO leverage. unfortunatly you can never just guess what each horse will like the best. I've found many of mine truly like the mullen but you may want to borrow bits to see what your horse likes before spending a fortune.

They do not have mini stuff advertised on their page but Chyrsalis acres has a slection of VERY nice mini bits. They are a Maine based tack shop that specializes in driving equipment. I learned they had it just by visiting their shop. last i knew they started at $15.00 and go up but they are truly nice bits at an exceptional price. i'd have to hunt for their web page address though.
 
Can someone put some pictures of these bits that you prefer so I can see them. When looking online they have so many to see.
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Carlene
 
After advice on this group a few years ago, I purged the bit that came with my harness. I got a french link bit and I could tell the difference immediately in my horses' response!

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I got mine from Mini Express Mini Tack www.miniexpress.com

I think their bits run a little narrow, so I got the 3 3/4" for my A size horses.
 
The bit pictured above is the one I like; I have several of them. They are actually much nicer bits than that picture depicts. When I ordered my first one I wasn't sure I'd be impressed with it, but when it arrived I was very pleased with the quality.
 
This is a great topic ...could this be pinned in the Best Topic area. Boinky,Minimor and Marsha did a great job explaining things and Im sure It would be useful to all drivers to look at later or refer back to. Thanks
 
Can someone put some pictures of these bits that you prefer so I can see them. When looking online they have so many to see.
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Carlene

Excellent Idea. I would love some photos to examine the various bits also. I find shopping for the "right bit" is indeed a challenge. Thanks.
 
My trainer does CDE, she prefers the thinner snaffle bits or even a straight bit, well fitted as to width in the mouth. She likes copper mouth piece bits best if available. For training to the bit, or if for re-training a horse that is resisting the bit, she has me wrap the bit with latex wrap I get at my tack shop. I make sure I do not get the latex to the mouth corners, but rather to align with the bars on the horse. On a straight bit leave the middle of the bit unwrapped. We use the latex on both snaffle and straight bits. If the latex gets nicked by them chewing, you should replace it, examine every time you use it, better to change it frequently. As a training tip, after putting the new bit in their mouth, my trainer has me feed tiny bits of carrot or a favorite treat easily chewed. When they are more interested in the treat than the bit we take it off and give another tidbit as a reward. Within a week my guys were looking forward to the bit and holding it nicely. Seemed like an easy way to train gently so I thought I would share. My guys both open their mouths readily to the bit now. As far as price of the bit, it is worth it to get a nice bit with an excellent fit, worth some extra money. Don't settle for a cheap bit or one that is "close" in fit. My trainer was very picky with the bit training and bit fit. It was worth it.
 
This is why I love the forum. Thanks so much for all the information you have really helped my and my mare. Well I am off to go shopping.
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Carlene
 
If you go to Mini Express, you can click on each bit and see what it looks like.

I had a site saved that told what different bits did, but when I went to look for it lately, it was "page cannot be displayed". Boo hoo.

When I was researching which bit to buy, I was intimidated by many that needed specific adjustments or training aids to use. It can be complicated. Also, sizes may vary with companies.

http://www.miniexpress.com/mxProductsByCat...talog_NAME=Bits

shorthorsemom, thanks for the training tip with teaching to accept the bit.
 
Actually Holly I bought some of those steel bits with the copper french link from Mini Express down in Tulsa and I am quite pleased with them. Has all the advantage of the sweet mouth and they can chew to their hearts content without damaging the bit. I have gone through a few copper mouths
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because they get so rough. The mouth pieces are a tiny bit thicker than I would like but not lumpy at all. It is a nice smooth piece, well made joins and cheeks - doesn't look at all as if it is a pony bit that has been cut and lumped together to fit a Mini. One of them the link doesn't lay quite as flat as I would like but that can have its uses too.
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Oh that's good to know Lori! What was the price on them--same as the copper ones? Mary Ann wasn't sure they would be what I wanted, I guess because the mouthpiece looked thicker--she did mention that and she didn't want to spend my money on the wrong bits. I had specified the copper one--I didn't even know the SS ones were available. Maybe I'll order one, or put them on the list for next year
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The copper ones do get chewed up so easily if a horse gnaws on them.
 

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