Fenbendazole Spring Power Dose

[keeperofthehorses]

OK, it's early and I'm thinking out loud here. I just want to check my math and ask a couple of questions.

I have 4,150 lbs. of horses to worm (2 big horses, 3 ponies). The spring power dose is double, so that's 8,300 lbs. Multiply that for 5 days and I have 41,500 lbs. Right?

OK, Jeffers has a 290 gram/10.2 ounce 'cattle' tube of 10% Fenbendazole (same stuff that's in the 'horse' tubes, but a more economical buy). 290 grams will treat 12,760 lbs. So I would need either 3 of those, plus a couple of smaller tubes, or 4 of them and I would have 9,540 lbs worth left over. Right?

My question is in regards to the gun that you get for this big tube. Have any of you used these before? Do they have weight rings on them, or some way to accurately dose the smaller animals? Are they safe to use? Or a better question, Are they foolproof, as a fool will be operating it (Darrin wanted me to clarify that I'm referring to myself).

My smallest ponies are both 500 lbs. (I will tape them before I do this, but they have all been on the vet's scale in the last 6 months.) So they will be getting 1,000 lbs. worth per day for 5 days.

Usually I just buy the Panacur Power Packs at the local feed store (expensive! ouch!), but (and I'm still working out the math on this) I think this may be a better buy, IF it's easy to use.

Here's the link to the page I'm looking at with the gun; I also checked Valley Vet, but they only have the PowerPac.

http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.a...T43N9BT8CN62E2E

Links to better buys are welcome.

Too early for this heavy-duty thinking.... must have more coffee....

: Thanks for the help.

Suzanne

 

[Becky]

I prefer to use liquid Panacur or Safeguard. It comes in a 1000cc bottle and it's less expensive than the paste version. Easier to dose too in my opinion!

 

[xxs]

I found this very interesting: I went to a Purina Horse Owners Workshop last Spring, and my vet was there (he is an OSU vet school instructor), and also a rep. from Intervet (the makers of Safeguard and Panacur). They both reccomended the power dose. They said that if you use Panacur, you do not need a double dose for the 5 days..just regular dose for 5 days. And, with Safeguard, use the double dose for 5 days. Anyone else know anything about this?

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Panacur and Safeguard are both merely 10% Fenbendazole, as is the Powerpack. When I contacted the mnufacterers they informed that there has never been any need to "double dose" and nor have we ever in England. As far as I know Power Pack is not even on sale in Europe. It could be that there are regional differences, but if so I have not heard of them.

I use liquid generic Fenbendazole cattel and sheep drench, I worm at single dose for five days, Spring and Autumn and I do not have encysted small strongyles.

Sometimes the people marketing the stuff just see a "niche" in the market.

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[keeperofthehorses]

Becky; Now that sounds like a good option that I didn't even know was available. Is the liquid available "OTC" or will I need to order it from my vet? How do you give it? Just put it into a syringe and squirt or top-dress feed? What is the unit per weight you give (cc/lb)? Do you have a problem with them spitting it out?

XXS; I was looking at the labels for Panacur and Safeguard and they both appear to be 10%, but Jeffers said that you could only get Panacur through your vet, which I know isn't true unless something recently changed. Interesting though, I haven't been able to find Panacur granules (what we always used to use, and I actually preferred) in the feed stores for several years.

Rabbitsfizz; This treatment is what is recommended by my vet for spring in my climate.

 

[Becky]

I got the liquid Panacur from Agri Med. I looked and Jeffers has the liquid Safeguard in their livestock catalog. It works well for me since there are usually 20 - 30 horses here on my farm at a time. For those that have just a few horses, buying in quantity like that might not be feasible. I figured the dosage out from the lable and I just draw it up into a syringe and squirt it in the horses' mouth. Easy to do!

 

[FairytailGlennMinis]

Do those of you who use the liquid use it at a regular dose for 5 days or just the regular dose? I have been thinking a lot about that spring de-worming too, but have never used the liquid. Even with five minis, I think it would be worth getting the liquid for a "power pack" week.

-Amy

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Check it out for yourselves. Powerpack/Panacur and Safeguard are all EXACTLY the same thing.

They are merely 10% Fenbendazole.

There is nothing added, nothing taken away.

Some are granules, some are paste, some are liquid.

No "Magic Ingredient."

Fenbendazole is Fenbendazole.

If you want to spend more on the Powerpack that is entirely up to you, or, if you only have a few horses, it may actually be more convenient, that, again, is your choice.

BUT please do not do it because you have been told it is a different drug.

It is quite easy to check what I am saying.

Generic Fenbendazole is, at it's most expensive, two thirds of the price of the "packaged" stuff.

It also keeps forever in the fridge, although I have never bothered doing this.

 

[xxs]

Yes, it is the same drug. I guess I was questioning WHY the vet and the Intervet rep. both said that Panacur didn't need to be doubled. I was wondering if maybe the dosage amount on the Panacur tube was already double....like they got more in a dose then with Safeguard...or perhaps it has to do with what is mixed with it to make a paste. There must be SOME difference as why would a company put out two identical products with different names. I have never used Panacur...only the Safeguard so I don't have ingredients lables to compare. I could understand if they were from different companys, but they aren't.

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[zacharyfarms]

Thank you Jane for your post on this subject. I have always given the double dose for 5 days and with 27 horses and it is very expensive although I now purchase the large economy cattle version due to your recommendation. I only recently questioned the reasoning behind the double dose as I could only find researching that it is mild enough to administer at that high dosage for that many days to rid the horses of encysted larvae but nothing really definitive that it "needed" that double dose. The five days is needed for the various stages however.