Finally have pics of colt I thought was bay...

[HGFarm]

Here are pics of 'Too Hot' before he was clipped with just his baby hair...

And here he is after clipping- wierd light colored almost buckskin looking places and light colored legs at this point. The neighbors bay colt clipped off with black legs underneath. There is NO silver in the background at all, but there are dilutes in the background- however he has no primitive striping or dorsal.

Is he still considered maybe a 'brown' or some other form of bay? But I thought all bays had black points?

What do you all think? I was getting ready to send in his registration papers but dont want him down as the wrong base color.

Thanks for any info everyone

: I swear these Minis make it up as they go along! Never had this problem with the full and mid sized models, LOL

 

[Ashley]

He is still a bay

 

[disneyhorse]

He looks like a bay to me. Some foals have light colored legs when they are very young, that take some time to turn to black points. Lots of solid black foals have light colored legs at birth.

Andrea

 

[Lost Spoke Ranch]

What a little wonderment you have there. Hmmm, he looks bay to me, but get a load of the light color around his nose and down his legs. Wonder if these light areas are due to pangere(sp?)/mealy influence? It doesn't matter what color he ends up being, he's a cutie. Congratulations!

Dawn :saludando:

 

[HGFarm]

Thanks Dawn...he is awfully cute with BIG eyes. And he is a tiny little guy too- even smaller than the grulla colt last year.

Does anyone know what causes that 'mealy' gene? He does have a buckskin grandma and some duns behind the father way back, and the dam is actually a very dark grulla, not black. Is that what causes it?

Just edited to note- did some quick looking on the internet for this pangare that Dawn mentioned- this is what he is!!! Halflingers have it as do some others and apparently it is a dominant gene. I see a photo of a bay that they refer to as a 'mealy mouthed bay' and it has a creme nose (this guy does when he is not clipped so close) with just black by the nostrils- like my colt.

Wow, where the heck would he get this?

Ok, just answered my own question with more research. This is apparently brought down from the dun genes. VERY interesting! One site also explained that they ARE born with lighter legs which darken some with time and the tails are 'mixed' like his, with black but the outside showing lighter hair.

Is this very common in Minis? Anybody else out there have one of these??!

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

I have 2 bays that clip out to appear like some odd shade of buckskin but they are true bays and when coat comes back in it comes back in bay

 

[bluerogue]

Yes, we do. Pangere is actually quite common, but most people do not know what it is. Or just don't recognize it. Your colt seems to have a big dose of it. I've seen some horses where it was fairly minimal, but still there, if you knew what to look for. He is very cute, though, and quite a stunning color. I would be interested in seeing how he turns out as he gets older.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Cream noses on bay foals are really quite common- they do not necessarily denote Pangaré, and the fact that they have disappeared completely in the clipped pictures would back this up.

Clipped pictures are almost useless for determining colour- we would really have to see him in full coat, all clipping him has done is remove his baby fluff.

His base coat still looks bay to me.

 

[HGFarm]

Thanks bluerogue- he has much more 'tan' hair around his eyes and on his muzzle but most of it clipped off when I took it really short. I'll take some more pics when it grows back out some, LOL

What a funny coloration- I have seen the 'mealy mouthed' bays in the past on big horses, but have never seen it this pronounced in the body.