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bevann

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Rescue dog German Shepherd has many issues.Got him almost 1 yr ago and have made lots of progress.His worst issue now is flea biting type behavior when I approach him to be petted.I don't want to smack him and have him become head shy.I suspect this behavior is 1 of the reasons he has been re homed several times.He loves me and loves being scratched.I suspect he was permitted to play this way previously Need some suggestions I tell him NO bite and Be nice .Shorthorse mom any suggestions.? He really loves me and hanging out in the barn-still can't get him to behave around Minis unless on leash and they don't get close to me.He is a work in progress.
 
Nobody has given a reply.Maybe I worded it wrong.Dog does small nips at my hand when I approach him for leash or petting.He loves me and it is not a bite or he would have hurt me by now.Just not good behavior for any dog.I REALLY need to begin some correction without causing other problems.
 
I don't have any idea. Maybe you need to change your title, I thought you were talking about actual "flea" bites when I read the title. Perhaps change it to "hand nipping" or something to get more looking. [if you don't know: You can change your title by hitting edit, then hitting full-editor.]
 
Hi... I will post soon, will type you out some suggestion...tortured this morning with 60+ text messages from zeus mommy but I have tons of suggestions for you! hang in there... No... never smack. This is very fixable. Smacking just makes problem worse. stay tuned:) meantime.. give me more extensive description as to what you are doing...what he is doing... when this happens. I need his age, is he neutered... is he tied or loose or kenneled or crated? Give me some more information while I run to the barn to help my husband. Had shepherds in my life and I can give you some tips once I get a better picture....
 
Duke will be 4 in fall.Shelter dog I'm 7th place he has lived.Neutered -crated at night or if 2 Corgis are in house when I'm not here.He is always supervised with other animals.We have been to obedience class and he passed his Good Citizen test.He is still unsure in strange situations off farm so we go lots of places to walk and hang out.Going to the boardwalk at the beach next week and walk and people watch.He is terrible at vets.Tried to attack the vet when she came here to do rabies shots on all farm dogs.Took him to clinic and they got it done, but have to muzzle him.He has restraint issues.I let him sit next to me and rub his face and muzzle.Small steps.He is my lesson in patience.He is high energy and gets excited when we put the leash on to go outside.He is not off leash unless in fenced area by the barn or in his run (7 wide&18 long)attached to kennel.He runs loose in the barn when horses are in stalls.He still wants to nip at horses.Most of the snapping occurs when he is excited and comes running up to me for loving.I suspect he was permitted this behavior in first home and was returned by last owner who said husband was afraid of dog.I have been telling him No Bite and Be Nice.He has come a long way and we are making progress.I was a German Shepherd breeder and exhibitor for 42 yrs(1960-2002)same line for 42 years and NEVER had a dog with behavior issues like this guy.Previous owners just didn't train him or teach him proper behavior.I AM going to improve this dog.He loves attention and has a kind heart and loves me to death.We are a work in progress.
 
Think of a food that Duke loves. Something like cheese, or chicken, something you can break into small pieces. we will work first on teaching duke to LOVE restraint and vets and he relaxes about the biting. . Get a clicker and prime the click with food. I want you to Click, treat, click treat. so Duke associates the click with the treat and as soon as you click you get a immediate response that Duke turns quickly and looks at you for the food. If he trys to bite you, do not deliver the food with your fingers. put down a small square of tile, or a little bowl... some small item you can use for a show me place to put the food after the click. You can even use one of those fold up bowls that are made of fabric so you can pull the dish out whenever you need it.

If he is food aggressive, don't put your face down or lean toward the bowl. bowl on floor, click and then step in and drop the treat while standing upright and using good body language and back up as you praise him with your voice.

This is part one... basic clicker training because we are going to use a clicker on the next steps. Do read carefully what I said. Do not lean toward him or use your hands to treat at this point if you are afraid he will snap at you or grab your hands. Use a dish on the floor. we can work up to hand treating later.

Try this and text back and let me know if you have any issues, describe his response to the click and treat and tell me what food you choose... game to try? easier to do step by step than type out whole exercise only to change something because of dog response.

PS, german shepherd dogs frequently take quick nips when they are in the brain mode of herding. My shepherd didn't do it with us but did it with our other dogs and he tore a small hole in our doberman with the nipping. he loved her, but the nipping while herding was when he was trying to drive her where he wanted her and she was laughing and running and ignoring her. We can try to override his previous training or his herding behavior which ever it is, but teaching him to associate terrific food tid bits with things he doesnt like.

Picture the dog that doesn't like his paws held. Picture me doing click treat prime, then reach for paw, click treat, then reach for paw touch paw and treat... then reach hold paw and treat, reach and wiggle fingers in paw and treat. Never move on to next step without dog being comfortable with first step. Pick a treat dog really loves.

will write more... DO tell me if you don't feel comfortable with him to try this level and we will come up with something else. I will never tell somebody to buck up and move forward without dog being comfortable. It isn't about tough... it is about staying safe and not creating the situation where you "invite the bite". stay tuned.
 
Got the clicker last night.Will figure out what food treat he likes best.I know he likes liver since that is what we used in class, but I couldn't give it to him in hand-took fingers.He did better in class with pats and lots of praise.This week will be tough.He has to go to vet.Time for annual shots and he has a red growth on the outside corner of right eyeball.We are not up to my putting a muzzle on him, but I am sure he will have to be muzzled at the vets. thank you so much for taking the time to offer your help.I will keep you posted on our progress.
 
If he is very food motivated you can use a more boring treat like kibble. On dogs that nip when you reach to pet, I always suggest that you teach the dog to enjoy petting under the chin and never reach over the top of the head to pet this type of dog. Zeus was a grab hands kind of guy and we started with the chin and worked up to the head over time for petting.

Prime him with click and drop treat or piece of kibble into dish. You can put the dish on floor next to your left foot almost touching. Use very calm body language for your dog at all times. Don't keep your spine rigid and don't choke up on the lead.

Lets do some muzzle training. I teach all my dogs to wear a muzzle in home happy relaxed atmosphere. Even my super friendly guys get the training so that they associate mouth being shut physically with brushing and treats. I like those muzzles that look like the little paper sleeve on a mcdonalds icecream cone with straps that go around the head. For practice you can just use a stocking or a long piece of roll gauze. I prime the dog with clicks and rewards. I show the muzzle and work up to just putting a soft wrap on muzzle, take it off right away, click and reward. Keep doing it until the dog really starts to associate the muzzle with a click and reward coming up. I train my dogs to the point where they see the muzzle and they are excited and want me to put it on. I have one dog that is aggressive with the vet and I bring my muzzle to the office, same one I have trained with, I put it on and take it off for the vet and my dog gets treats when finished. during the training phase I would drop by the vet, give the dog a cookie, say hi to the technicians... and leave. If you have a vet hospital that allows visits like this, it is wow for the dog. My dogs love to go to the vet. I have trained them it is a cool place. Some vets won't work with you but my vet office encourages it. I dont bother the staff and I dont ask any favors, just arrange a time for a drop by, treat and leave.

Secondly... this is very important... How often are you vaccinating? You should not be giving annual shots to a 4 year old dog no matter what your vet says. Shots last minium 3 years, all of them. So skip the shots if your dog has had his shots within three years. Only ever get 3 year rabies shots too. Vaccines can cause all kinds of issues on a dog if given too frequently. Secondly... what are you feeding him, what brand and type of food is your dog getting.

My training program looks at the dog inside and out and some foods can cause hyperactivity and allergies and all kinds of problems.

Lets try to soften the mouth.. once you have your dog associating the click with food. I want you to hold a boring treat (dog food) in your left hand between your finger and thumb kind of hidden. Try this, let me know if you get chomped even once... Click the clicker and then take fingers toward corner of dogs mouth and tuck the small treat into his mouth at the corner of his lip. praise. Might take a minute for him to maneuver the treat into his mouth, but at the corner near the hinge or just behind the canines you should have some space to tuck the treat without getting bitten.

Let me know how you do... stop anything If you don't feel safe. DO stop the vaccinations, you might consider titer if your vet insists. No shots if less than 3 years since last one. Saw more than one dog brain scramble from over vaccination. take care and good luck.
 
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Duke eats Taste of the Wild Salmon or Bison No human food except liver as training treats.At night before going in crate he gets Greenies treat for teeth He was vaccinated at shelter before I got him but was harboring doggie flu which my 2 Corgis(13 and 11) got.Many vet visits and $4000 later everyone was ok Intensive care,emergency vet(they were sick on a weekend of course)I have the kind of muzzle you describe.My vet is great.If you follow the dog show world he is the vet for Kaz Osaka who is a big time Poodle handler and Westminster Dog Show winner among other things.He encourages visits to the clinic when there are no issues.We went several weeks ago and Duke just got weighed and gave his paw(reluctantly)to a vet tech.He even relaxed enough to lay down in the waiting room.Vet is not in my town so we make a trip there every few weeks to visit and do some shopping.I have been working up to the muzzle by just rubbing his face and under his chin and around his teeth.Baby steps for both of us.Will check in later-going out to bring him in for training.He spends a few hours a day in his run-if not he is squirrelly in the house and gets in trouble.We've come a long way,but still a long way to go.German Shepherds ain't what they used to be in the 1960s.My former dogs were so placid and not such high energy, but were good working dogs.Several were used by law enforcement.
 
In the house keep him on a lead. I like martingale collars that are half chain and half nylon and adjustable. Skip any type of choke collar. Will start you on attention exercises too. I rescued a shepherd once. He was a bit strange and hated men. A year later he was the dog of my dreams. Took a lot of work but well worth it. Miss him forever. Bless you for taking on a challenge. Ps. What is protein content of dog food? Just curious. If he is better at home work with kibble there and make the treats he gets somewhere else "jackpot" treats like liverworst or cheese or chicken. Use a portable dish if afraid of finger nips. Does he retrieve? For that type of muzzle you can hold the treat in the hole and encourage him to take the treat from inside the muzzle. Don't clip the muzzle on his head until he is very relaxed.

My shepherd was dumped on my farm. Took us three weeks to catch him. He would bark and get very scary and take the food and leave. He hated men and would bristle and get attitude at my husband. When we finally caught him I started taking him to classes and did a lot of confidence building. Did miles of walking and took him everywhere. Even hung out on school campus i could get college kids to do "walk bye" where they would pass me and drop a chunk of chicken on ground and keep going. Jet started equating people with dropped chicken instead of a threat.

He finally got safe to say hi and after awhile he just forgot all his paranoid thoughts. I have a photo of him laying on a floor wearing a bicycle helmet and sunglasses with my then 5year old daughter reading a book to him sitting next to him on the floor. Once his broken trust was repaired he was so happy.

That's what your boy has..brokentrust. humans let him down. So many homes..so sad. I would die for another shepherd, but my trainer said I would never find another boy like jet and she encouraged me to go with a different breed. Trainers do go to trainers. Cannot duplicate what you can get in an obedience class at home, so I trained with a friend locally. Shepherds never forget anything in their past so your boy has some baggage somewhere back there. I would love to hear more about your breeding of german shepherds. love the breed.

My jet was 85lb solid black shepherd with a straight back and gorgeous head and I loved him so much. He broke my heart when I got talked into giving him a lyme vaccine and with in months he developed DM. Spent the last few months of his life in a wheel chair. My husband dreams of finding another shepherd some day, but not until we have less dogs, we have 6 now.

I have a whole house of geriatric dogs and am anticipating some heartbreak in the near future. I have two chinese cresteds with severe heart disease that are almost 14 years old, and I have a 10 year old rough collie we think has a brain tumor by her symptoms and although her quality of life is mostly good, she has days where I think this must be it..time to say good bye. I also have a rescue basset somebody dumped on our farm and a tibetain spaniel I took in as an emergency foster and she stayed and I have one other crested that is about 10. The only dog I have who can do long walks with me is the basset.

take care
 
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Making progress.Got him to listen for the clicker and pay attention and he took treats from my fingers.Haven't cooked the liver yet-he may get too aggressive for fingers on that. Got the muzzle out and we have been working on petting under chin.He REALLY dislikes being restrained around face.We have been working in barn and on golf cart with just holding his head under my arm.Muzzle will be a challenge since I have a hand tremor and it is difficult for me to fasten even when not on dog.All muzzles I checked seem to have same kind of buckle.Got to get creative-may have to go with some kind of velcro closure, but that is not as secure.
 
More progress.Got the muzzle, put it on my leg with treat inside.Clicked and got him to get it out.Did it several times with success.No restraint.After several times I got the muzzle on him but did not fasten it.He dosn't like his mouth shut.I think he may be smarter than I am.Got to get more treats.He wears a leather rolled collar at all times since he will not always come when called and my biggest fear is that he will get loose and off the farm.He has his ID and tags on the collar &is microchipped.The back part of the farm is all fenced but not the front around the house(circular driveway) and we live on a busy highway.Will have to check the protein content of food when I get another bag this week.I think it is high.There was a link to dog food brands and ratings and it was high on the list. Will keep trying with the muzzle.
 
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I am intrigued by your initial description of "flea biting".... Does he snap or grab or is he doing that repetitive little nibby biting where it looks like he is chewing a flea bite in his hair, we call it "nibbie" where it is a rapid little biting behavior that sometimes catches a little bit of your skin and it hurts. just curious.
 
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Guess I had the wrong term.He grabs my hand and gets the skin sometimes, but sometimes it is more than 1 grab at a time.He is high energy and very "leany" When I had knee replacement last Sep he had to stay in the kennel for over 4 weeks-not permitted around me.Have to have other knee done this Sept.Be glad when all joints are functional Farm work has been hard on my body,but I love being a farm girl.
 
Im a farm girl too. We milk cows 7 days a week. Attention work and using markers can help the lean. There is a nibby behavior which is more of a love bite, you see dogs do it to eachother. Was wondering if it was that which is why I asked.
 
Great progress.Got the muzzle on him several times this morning and even 1 time for over 1 minute before he tried to get if off with his paws.Vet is scheduled for TH 3:40 to look at his eye.Think we should be good by then with the muzzle.I will probably wait to put it on him at the vets but will see how we progress this week. Don't want him to have it on too long.Thanks for your advice shorthorse mom.Great tips and suggestions
 
Hey Bevann, how are you making out? Still thinking about you, have been crazy busy and hoping no news is good news. Just checking in, post how things are going if you can:)... How did you do at the vets on that Thursday? take care. thinking of you.
 


I love ian dunbar training. Took a bunch of his classes forever ago. Try these videos for attention. Easier than me trying to type it out.. He is so cool. Sirius dog training. More videos on you tube. These are just two. best wishes... hope these help give a picture.
 
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We are doing well.He is such a sweet dog and just really loves me.Used tyhe clikcer and got the muzzle on him at the vets with very little trouble.He has Pannus and we are dealing with eye drops-not too bad getting them in some days.He is a wiggler&I have a hand tremor so it is interesting doing the drops.His behavior is much better and he is doing better in the barn.Next week I hope to take him to the boardwalk for some walking among strangers and in strange situation.He is still very insecure in unfamiliar surroundings.I got him to be a guard dog and he is doing that very well.My son came over on Mother's Day ,knocked on the dog and duke was right there barking at him.I was in the barn and son was impressed with his actions.I really think he would not let anybody harm me.My younger Corgi,11 now, will often curl up beside him on the big dog bed.Older girl still doesn't like him.He's just too big and rough for her.He is developing into a good farm dog.We need to work on not chasing horses and sheep.He is always supervised around the sheep and horses(as in on leash)Guess I need to do the clicker training down in the barn.
 

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