For those who breed

[dreammountainminis]

Hi all I have a couple questions for those who have bred minis for color,confirmation, pedigree ect , I have about 5 foals due in the spring I have a stallion that is a belly splash(my avatar) that has a medioker pedigree and i bred him to a solid pali mare with a good pedigree and got a solid pali .colt.

I also bred him to a solid black bay mare that has a good pedigree ,the dam has yellow diamond little feather, komoko's ,luckyfour,little king and got a solid silver bay filly with a wide blaze and one blue eye ..

I would like to improve my chances of getting a splash foal ,what are the chances of getting a splash out of a pinto mare or do you have to breed splash to splash to get splash????????

Next question is my junior stallion that will be three next season has a good pedigree grandson of Rowdy and Hemlock Brooks E King also has NFC's he is lwo positive and homozygous for black ..I have a mare out that would be a great great granddaughter of the same breeding but they have a different dam and sire but almost the same pedigree is that to close to breed...

I will check to make sure that the mare is not lwo before i would even consider breeding them ..She does not have blue eyes bald face or any markings that would make me think she was lwo but since she is related in pedigree i would rather be safe than sorry...

Any suggestions on how you pick the mares to breed to a certain stallion to get what you are looking for in a breeding program. I am wanting qaulity not quanity i bred 5 mares as i have 5 children that show and then i have a couple nieces that show also ..Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance...

 

[dreammountainminis]

This forum is usally very imformational!! 14 hours and no responses and i know someone out there must be able to answer these questions. I look to this forum alot for answers to my questions or concerns and lately it dont seem like anyone has any answers. Or maybe I'm asking stupid questions...

 

[Jill]

Next question is my junior stallion that will be three next season has a good pedigree grandson of Rowdy and Hemlock Brooks E King also has NFC's he is lwo positive and homozygous for black ..I have a mare out that would be a great great granddaughter of the same breeding but they have a different dam and sire but almost the same pedigree is that to close to breed...

This is the only part of your post that I know enough to really feel like I could give a reasonable answer (which is only my opinion, not "the" answer). No, I do not think they are too closely related to breed. I own a filly who is similarly bred to one of my stallions (Buckeroo lines on the top, Eqyptian King on the bottom). If I end up keeping and breeding this filly, I would not consider them too closely related but would look at conformation to determine if they are a nice match.

I had not seen your post until just now. I think sometimes it's all in the timing, and if a lot of poeple posted after you did, yours might have ended up on page 2 "too quick" and others hadn't seen it yet.

 

[stormy]

Most people I think who use pedigree as part of the selection criteria use it because they know the production record of that line, not just because that horse has shown well. I try to find Alkar and Fisher bred mares, lines others may not recognize, because I know from experiance these horses cross well with my stallion. Does that make sense? In other words it requires research and experiance to select the mares that will produce what you are looking for.

As for color, first I must say I never breed for color, not one of my top criteria. Splash to Splash gives you the best chance of getting Splash but that is a particularly difficult one to predict I think, having several Splash/Sabino appearing horses here who have never produced color in their offspring. Also you have to watch out for deafness with the splash white. I would say be sure to test for LWO also on this guy.

 

[heart k ranch]

Well my parents bred paints and they always said there are so many horses out there you can pick the horse/color/size that you want..... So go out there and look

but the best chances of getting a splash is breeding to one......you can bred a splash to a solid and have a smaller chance of getting a splash..

Like I said breed splash to splash and most likely you'll have better chances

 

[dreammountainminis]

Thank you for answering my questions and i never thought about others posting and it getting pushed to page two so that clears that up...I did have my splash stallion tested and he is lwo negitive and also had his hearing tested as I was told by a previous owner he was deaf....He hears just fine ...But i know that runs in splash horses...

I have him bred to a mare that i have since sold she is lwo positive and carries splash sabino and frame The new owner is my cousin so i hope she gets a wild colored filly...All my other mares are eathier solid or just pinto's No splash or lwo positives i have a couple that are yearlings that i gonna have tested thou.....

 

[rabbitsfizz]

The deafness in Splash horses tends to be when the white envelops the ear area- so you do need to go for the slightly less "flashy" Splashy (sorry could not resist that one.)

The best way to get a "loud" Splash (apart, of course form actually wanting a solid foal) is to introduce other patterns- the more the merrier basically.

You can still end up with a minimal Splash/Sabino/Tobiano/Frame but the chances of that happening are far less than the chances of you getting a solid horse with one white sock out of breeding two loud Splash only horses together!!

I sometimes think the only reason we have really wild coloured horses so that Mother Nature can give us a good slap, present us with a solid foal and remind us that, no matter how many years we have been breeding, how ever much we think we know about colour/pattern genetics, SHE is still in charge!!!

 

[HGFarm]

I am not sure what you mean by a 'mediocre' pedigree?? I breed by the quality of the horse, not the pedigree. I breed for Appaloosa color, but if I dont get it, I will certainly hope that I still have a quality horse that will be a nice horse for someone. I look at abilities, not pedigree. Color is nice, but basicly just an added plus to an already nice horse.

Any top or well known bloodline can produce pet quality horses- and will get more of those than the show quality ones anyway. Just because a bloodline has not been promoted to the Nth degree, does not mean the horses are mediocre. Maybe I might be misunderstanding your point or what you are saying here - just the way I took it.

 

[dreammountainminis]

Thank you rabbit you always say it so it is understood that is why i admire reading your posts and your answers...

HG thank you for your insight also As i know alot of ppl look at pedigree the mare i was referring is bond bred and older lines but i love the confirmation and attitudes she throws on her foals ..

 

[lyn_j]

PEdigree doesnt guarantee what you get UNLESS the horses are line bred very strong for a trait you want. Thats why most of my horses now are heavy Michigan bred with a dash of NFC Superman in there for heads and eyes. When you know a family of horses really well you can more easily predict what you will get conformationally and even color wise. Hap Hazzard pedigrees where you have bred only for certain colors or even Farm names, if the FAMILIES of horses are not consistant, you cant predict the foals consistantly. I dont mean like all brothers and sisters bred but cousins can be predictable etc. You have to have a solidly consistant gene pool to always or nearly always get what you are looking for. WE did an outcrossing using Uno this past year. All his foals are diffrent out of the 4 differenet mares used. Nice but just different. When we look at Doc Taylors foal crop, we can tell who are his Jerico foals, who are the replay foals because they all have similarities.

Having more concentration of family genetics is the only way to set type and color even.

Not sure if that answered you question or not.

Lyn

 

[dreammountainminis]

Thanks Lyn ,

By the way wanted to let you know dad is doing good..

I have heard some ppl talk as long as you skip a generation you can breed how many do this???I would think that would be a little to close...

 

[lyn_j]

So glad to hear that Melanie.... I had been wondering.

Some of the best horses for example Doc Taylors horses that consistantly place well at nationals are nearly all closely line bred. ITs the way you set type. Every once in a while we then out cross and bring it back to that line agan.

Its the best way to not have a ton of gene combinations that can crop out. For those that wonder why, we do in in both horses and dogs. You will get the very best and very worst (if there are any worse) of the lines that way.