Ginger used to make tails higher ?

[loveminis]

Is it true that people use ginger to make a mini's tail look higher because it irritates them so they hold their tail up ?

I am sure no one would admit if they have used it

C'mon people !! Horses are sensitive creatures, especially minis. This is something that really bothers me. I wonder what else is done to them

 

[crponies]

This is not done just with miniatures but big horses too. I don't think it is looked on favorably by most people but some people persist in doing some things to present a prettier picture.

 

[RockRiverTiff]

This is not done just with miniatures but big horses too. I don't think it is looked on favorably by most people but some people persist in doing some things to present a prettier picture.

Yes, I saw a gingered Arabian stallion compete once (without getting too graphic, the physical signs of his discomfort were pretty blatant up close). The sad thing is that he was the obvious winner. Most of the breeds have rules against this, and alas that Arabian stallion was disqualified when he easily could have won without the ginger.

 

[Leeana]

I don't think it has as much to do with tail set as it does with just getting the horse to toss that tail up and show off as if it was excited. It is very obvious when this is done as the horse will hold its tail up almost as if it is about to have a bowel movement or is excited but its facial expression shows much different. I would never ginger any of my horses, either for photos or in the show ring as I feel very agianst it and my horses naturally toss their tail up and show off in the show ring when they trot (..and have pretty tail sets and croups) NATURALLY ....

 

[Millstone Farm]

It is against AMHA rules to use ginger (or any other irritant) in the show ring.

 

[disneyhorse]

It is not done often in miniatures, except occasionally for photoshoots. It is illegal to ginger minis of both registries on show grounds.

In some breeds, such as Hackneys and Saddlebreds and other hotter breeds, it is quite common to see in the show ring.

Andrea

 

[muffntuf]

Well you can always call the attention to the steward of the show as it is illegal in AMHR. In ASPC is it illegal in Foundation, Classic and Modern Pleasure.

 

[Marsha Cassada]

Stupid question here--how is the ginger used? Externally, I presume? I've led a sheltered life.

 

[loveminis]

I've lead a sheltered life also.... I presume it is rubbed under their tail ? This came up in another post and I just cant believe what people do to animals

 

[Bess Kelly]

A little bit inside the anus will create this lift situation. If used with excess it can/will be quite uncomfortable. If minimal used it is like a tingling. However, where it is and for a length of time this tingle/burn sensation can last and be quite annoying!

I know, I know --

-- first time I heard it I was amazed.

Put some ground ginger in you mouth and you will get the idea, now imagine it elsewhere.

For photos -- use another horse, or a mirror!! You can get similar excitement. Or, tease the tail some, gives a similar impression. If it WERE on the outside, at least it could be cleaned off and something applied to the skin to counter the feelings somewhat, like a product with lanacane in it, etc.

Just don't use it as it isn't right.

 

[Littleum]

Stick your finger in the salve, stick it in the horse's bum. There you go.

I've always stood by the policy I won't do anything to my horses I won't do to myself.

Gingering and Arabians has been a huge trainwreck for YEARS. Just google it. Trainwreck, trainwreck, trainwreck.

Miniatures by comparison to other big breeds are pretty tame... we don't have a lot of doping, we don't have a lot of cosmetic surgery, we don't have hoof horrors, don't have the "rollkur" trainwreck, the shamateur train wreck... I could go on. But basically if you familarize yourself with the general horrors of other breeds/show rings, we actually have it pretty good. Want to see a train wreck? Google "big lick TWH" and see a train wreck. The abuses in the TWH ring are of legendary proportions.

 

[mrsj]

I've always stood by the policy I won't do anything to my horses I won't do to myself.
Google "big lick TWH" and see a train wreck. The abuses in the TWH ring are of legendary proportions.

I just did this as it was something I have never heard of (being UK based) - how horrific. I don't know what to say really.

Edited to add - I mean I just googled big lick NOT that I tried gingering my horses!!

 

[Minimor]

The people I've seen using ginger (hackneys and saddlebreds around here) have had it in suppository form. It's not something I use--never have, never will.

A friend recently had a judge (AMHR) question/suspect her of gingering her stallion because he likes to carry his tail up when he's out in the ring--she doesn't ginger him of course, but he looks like he could be. You do realize that the only test available for ginger is the taste test.....

I was once looking at some Morgan foals from a farm in the US. The lady sent a video showing each foal trotting around the yard--all had their heads up, tails up, looking very showy and fancy. Silly me thought they were just fresh & feeling good so showing off. Then she had some footage of mares and foals being brought in from the pasture, and she said these had been out all day so weren't fresh and weren't gingered....only then did it occur to me that the foals shown at the start of the tape WERE all gingered, and that's why they were flagging their tails. DUH. I lost interest then.

 

[Magic]

Someone told me once that they thought I had gingered one of my mares when showing, as she is one for holding her tail up. I was horrified. I would never do that to any horse! I like the "tail up" look, but only if it's NATURAL. This mare's 25 year old dam holds her tail up a lot too, it's just *them*.

I think that people who do things like gingering to their horses should have to experience it for themselves!

 

[susanne]

A friend recently had a judge (AMHR) question/suspect her of gingering her stallion because he likes to carry his tail up when he's out in the ring--she doesn't ginger him of course, but he looks like he could be. You do realize that the only test available for ginger is the taste test.....

This is a serious topic and I apologize, but I couldn't help but spray coffee on the monitor over this one! Somehow I would guess that the judge didn't test?

Perhaps those who do ginger should be required to conduct this test...only right, as it fits their personalities...

Horse show abuse stories are legion...people never fail to amaze me.

 

[REO]

That's the way I feel too Magic.

IMO, the people who do do this, should be required to do it to themselves. Every time!

And people who are even *thinking* of doing it to their horse, should be made to do it to themselves first.

That's the way I feel about it.

Minimor said: "You do realize that the only test available for ginger is the taste test...."

LMAO!!!

 

[Marsha Cassada]

[SIZE=10pt]I wonder if this is where the old sayings like "Ginger them up" or "he is full of ginger" came from? [/SIZE]

 

[Littleum]

A friend recently had a judge (AMHR) question/suspect her of gingering her stallion because he likes to carry his tail up when he's out in the ring--she doesn't ginger him of course, but he looks like he could be. You do realize that the only test available for ginger is the taste test.....

This is a serious topic and I apologize, but I couldn't help but spray coffee on the monitor over this one! Somehow I would guess that the judge didn't test?

Perhaps those who do ginger should be required to conduct this test...only right, as it fits their personalities...

Horse show abuse stories are legion...people never fail to amaze me.

LOL, reminded me of a tale from about 10 years ago at an Arabian show in the UK... very prominent judge suspected one of the big-name stallions of being gingered. Stuck her finger you know where, tasted it and DQ'd the horse!

 

[REO]

That judge put her finger where her mouth is!

(play on words) LOL

 

[sfmini]

I have two ginger stories from the arab days.

The first cracks me up every time I think of it. A friend had an arab with a trainer who wanted to ginger him. No, not until I try it myself first. So, she put it in the same place you would put it in the horse. Needless to say she was on fire and her horse was never gingered.

The second is an arab gelding who now belongs to Judy. The trainers gingered him, good thing they were standing off to the side as he let loose with both feet. POW! Never gingered him again either!