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Speaking of television and radio (which Cathy did earlier) did you all hear about the TV station in Florida who has been told by the DNC that they will not be granted any more interviews with any democrat until after the election? All this because they asked Joe Biden some "tough" questions. Now they're being ostracized by the DNC. Looks like they're having a hard time waiting til they're in office to start throwing their weight around. I can't even imagine what it would be like afterwards. Looks like they're already trying to flush freedom of speech down the drain.
 
I have a question to ask, sorry for my ignorance on the subject. Are you as Americans allowed to buy any type of gun? or are you restricted to types of gun such as for hunting or for protection. I am thinking of some types of guns that are totally over the top when thinking of being used either for hunting or for bodily protection.

No the gun registry in Canada sure was a waste of money but we have to find a way to limit guns that are your right but against the law in our country. Our border guards have to be much more vigilant and keep unwanted and non-registered guns out of Canada so we can limit our crimes in this country because unfortunately the guns being smuggled in and crossing our border are not being used for protection but by those committing crimes.
 
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It depends where you live... each state regulates weapons differently.

For example, Mass is one of the strictest states in the union. There they restrict number of rounds in the magazine, assult-type weapons (AK and AR weapons), and trigger pull (no light pull triggers, requires "effort" to fire rather than an oops). Concealed carry permits are very difficult to get and is dependant on the police chief of your jurisdiction.

Kentucky is one of the looser states... automatic weapons are restricted to dealers and individuals with special permits (federal permit maybe?). No restriction on magazine size or weapon design. Concealed carry permits are avalible for anyone who passes the criteria (so called "Shall issue" state... unless disqualified, the state is required to issue a permit). AK and AR weapons are for sale anywhere, with magazines up to 30 rounds (still semi auto though, no fully auto without that mythical permit). Guns have no waiting period but a background check is required (takes 20 minutes, or show a concealed permit, which has a MUCH more stringent background check run monthly).

My neighbor has an AK-47, which chambers 7.62 NATO ammunition (one of the largest calibers for rifles). Does it bother me? Not at all. He shoots his guns all the time, but only the hunting ones. The others go to the range to play.

Hunting rifles and such are not regulated significantly in any state, mostly because they generally aren't used for stickups. Hard to conceal a 4' gun. Much harder than my 4" pistol.

It has been shown again and again that concealed carry permit states have LOWER crime rates than pre-permit. This is not only an average (ie states that have CC laws have lower violent crime rates) but also counts for specific areas. States that had no permit laws then add the laws see dramatic drops in violent crime that stay low after years, rising and lowering only with the national and regional averages. Guns in the hands of everyone is a much greater deterant to criminals than depending on police. It has been ruled in American courts that the police are not OBLIGATED to help you, and are not liable for failing to help someone. You have to depend on yourself sometimes, not just "oh well they'll take care of it". Sometimes, they can't.
 
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It has been ruled in American courts that the police are not OBLIGATED to help you
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Then what the heckis their job if not to keep the law and keep the public safe. I don't get that mentality at all. I also don't understand why someone would need, unless it was required for your job, anything beyond a pistol for protection or a hunting rifle. Would be interesting to do research to see what types of guns are used in violent crimes and those used in shootings at schools
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As you said it's pretty hard to hide a rifle on a person. Is there an age limit on those that get permits for guns in your country? or can a teenager get a permit with parents permission?
 
Would be interesting to do research to see what types of guns are used in violent crimes
Illegal ones mostly! I would venture to say that very few criminals follow the proper protocal in getting/registering a gun.
 
Gun ownership, possession, and carrying
There are approximately 44 million gun owners in the United States.6 This means that 25 percent of all adults, and 40 percent of American households, own at least one firearm. These owners possess 192 million firearms, of which 65 million are handguns. Among legal gun owners, the reasons given for owning or carrying a weapon include hunting, sports-related activities, and home protection. Among those who own handguns, 75 percent reported in a national survey that self-protection is the primary reason for owning a firearm.7

Approximately 37,500 gun sales, including 17,800 handgun sales, are completed every day in the United States. The increasing number of gun owners has elevated the danger of guns being acquired illegally through robberies and burglaries. In 1994, more than a quarter-million households experienced the theft of one or more firearms; nearly 600,000 guns were stolen during these burglaries.8

The number of youth who report that they carry weapons is significant. In 1997, 14 percent, or 1 in 7 male juveniles, reported carrying a gun outside the home in the previous 30-day period.9 In the inner city, the problem is more severe. One study involving 800 inner-city high school students reported that 22 percent said they carried weapons.10 An even greater number of convicted juvenile offenders reported carrying guns -- 88 percent, according to another study.11

Firearms are readily available on the illegal gun market, and those who are most likely to possess guns are drug sellers and gang members -- overwhelmingly young and male.12 More than two-thirds of the respondents in one study of urban arrestees stated that the primary reason for owning and carrying a weapon is self-protection -- a small number also reported using the weapon for drug trafficking or other illegal activities. Among arrestees overall, 23 percent of those who owned a gun said they had used one to commit a crime. Among juvenile drug sellers who owned a firearm, 42 percent reported using a gun in a crime; among gang members, 50 percent reported using a gun.

Although no national data base contains detailed information about all the guns used in crimes, police records and surveys of offenders provide some insights on the types of firearms used in criminal offenses. In 1994, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms received more than 85,000 requests from police departments for traces of guns used in crime.13 More than three-fourths of the guns traced were handguns, and almost one-third were less than 3 years old. In 1994, the most frequent types of guns used in homicides were large caliber revolvers, but the number of large caliber semiautomatic guns is increasing.14

In an early survey of incarcerated felons, 32 percent reported that they had acquired their most recent handgun by theft.15 A more recent survey reported that guns had been stolen by 13 percent of all arrestees, 25 percent of all juvenile arrestees, 29 percent of the gang members, and 30 percent of the drug sellers.16

Gun violence in schools

During the 1997­98 school year, the public was riveted by extensive media coverage of school shootings in Jonesboro, AR; West Paducah, KY; Pearl, MS; Springfield, OR; and Edinboro, PA. This spate of multiple shootings increased parental concerns about school safety. However, the 40 school shooting deaths in the 1997­98 school year fall within the midrange of total annual incidents since 1992.17 According to the National School Safety Center, violent deaths in school settings (suicides and homicides) declined 27.3 percent between the 1992­93 school year and the 1997­98 school year.

The high-profile multiple shootings also have fueled public perceptions that children are in danger while attending school. In fact, youth (in particular those who live in high-crime neighborhoods) are safest while in school. A 2-year study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the incidence of school-associated violent death was less than one in a million.18

Even if actual shootings at school are rare, the presence of guns in schools is not. One leading survey reveals that between 1994 and 1996, the percentage of 12th grade males that reported carrying a gun to school in the previous 4 weeks increased from 4.8 to 6.3, or roughly 1 in 17.19 Another survey tells us that 12.7 percent of students ages 12 to 19 reported knowing a student who brought a gun to school.20

Guns and drugs

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The drug market is a major contributor to the Nation's homicide rate. Indeed, the peak in homicides during the mid-1980's was directly related to the saturation of urban areas with the crack cocaine drug trade. Methamphetamine -- more powerful, more addictive, and easier to produce than crack cocaine -- is becoming a major drug of choice in urban, suburban, and rural communities. If the methamphetamine trade results in drug wars on the same scale as those of the 1980's, it is possible that homicide rates will begin to climb once more, as drug dealers are among those most likely to carry weapons.21

Guns and gangs

Gangs have proliferated rapidly since 1980, when there were about 2,000 gangs with 100,000 members in 286 cities.22 By 1996, there were 31,000 gangs with 846,000 members in 4,800 cities and towns.23

Gangs are more likely to recruit adolescents who own firearms, and gang members (who are twice as likely to own guns for protection than nongang members) are more likely to carry guns outside their homes.24 The risk of being killed is 60 times greater among young gang members than in the general population25 and in some cities, far higher. For example, the St. Louis youth gang homicide rate is 1,000 times higher than the U.S. homicide rate.26

Although not all gangs are drug organizations, gang membership appears to increase individual participation in drug use and trafficking, gun carrying, violence, and prolonged involvement in drug sales.27 Furthermore, gang activity is no longer a problem that is unique to urban communities. From 1989 to 1995, the percentage of students who reported that street gangs were present at school increased by 186 percent in suburban schools and 250 percent in rural schools. Gangs reportedly operate in 41 percent of urban schools, 26 percent of suburban schools, and 20 percent of rural schools. Long-term solutions to address the problem of gun violence must include a comprehensive approach to reducing the number of youth involved in gangs.
I understand the "right" of Americans to "bear arms" but my only concern is for those guns to stay in your country and so I put the burden on border guards to protect us in Canada from these guns from entering into our country because here these guns are used for one sole purpose, for crime.
 
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I stand corrected, sorry about that. I thought most handguns brought into Canada were done so illegally. My apologies. I see the border guards are doing their job, perhaps they just need to be more vigilant on the ones that get through that are not declared.

Many Americans try to take their guns into CanadaUpdated Sun. Jul. 6 2008 6:07 PM ET

The Canadian Press

VANCOUVER -- Americans cherish their constitutional right to keep and bear arms, even when they come to Canada.

Canada Border Services Agency officers regularly discover smuggled guns destined for the Canadian criminal underworld, but most firearms they turn up belong to otherwise law-abiding Americans, according agency intelligence summaries.

"Most of the firearms seized by CBSA at the land ports of entry are the personal firearms of legitimate U.S. travellers who neglected -- intentionally or not -- to declare their personal firearms," says the agency's strategic intelligence analysis division in an undated report covering the period 2004-06.

The report, along with other previously classified monthly intelligence summaries dating back to January 2007, were obtained by The Canadian Press under federal Access to Information legislation.

Crossings into British Columbia account for the largest percentage of all gun seizures, and about a third of all handguns, the agency says. A high percentage are in transit to Alaska and not intended for the illicit firearms market, the report says.

Americans travelling through Canada between Alaska and the Lower 48 states, often doing seasonal work, can take their guns if they declare them.

"I can tell you right now that many people that go to Alaska and legally declare their guns declare as many as 10 or more guns," says Dan Liebel, who speaks for the Customs and Excise Union. "Now, how many don't declare them?"

The border services agency's August 2007 intelligence summary highlights an incident where officers at the Coutts, Alta., stopped a U.S. military officer transferring to Alaska. He had declared seven long guns (shotguns or rifles) but a search turned up seven restricted handguns.

Liebel, who works at a small B.C. Interior border crossing, also says no records are kept on whether declared guns actually make it out of Canada.

Border services officials declined to be interviewed by The Canadian Press for its investigation into the extent of gun-smuggling from the United States into Canada.

It says only that Canada Border Services Agency seized 662 guns last year, three-quarters of them handguns. Between 2004 and 2007 it confiscated 2,289 guns.

"While uncommon, we have seized handguns that are linked to (the) illicit firearms market with an organized-crime connection," the agency intelligence report says.

Firearms seizures at border points have declined steadily since 2001, says a 2006 briefing note prepared for agency president Alain Joliceur after Toronto police seized 20 U.S.-sourced guns in raids targeting the Jamestown Crew gang.

The exception was 2003, when the totals spiked because customs officers in Montreal seized almost 500 rifles from a commercial shipment.

The agency considers any seizure of two or more firearms significant, according to the briefing note.

"That, however, does not directly relate to an intent of trafficking the firearms," it says.

"A significant difference exists between firearms that are brought across the border by individuals with no illicit intent and deliberate attempts to smuggle firearms for the purpose of trafficking, usually to the criminal element ...

"While it is a straightforward matter to determine a significant firearms seizure, it is more complex to determine or identify seizures which involve potential crime guns."

The agency intelligence summary makes the obvious point that seizure statistics only record the successful interdiction of firearms, "and so it would be difficult to estimate quantities not being intercepted."

Liebel points out customs officers only inspect between one and 10 per cent of vehicles coming across the Canada-U.S. border.

"I've heard estimates in the range of we get one to three per cent of what actually is getting through, but that's just rumour," he says.

Besides B.C. border points, the agency's monthly intelligence summaries show the Niagara Falls and Fort Erie, Ont., crossings routinely turn up a significant percentage undeclared and smuggled firearms.

Quebec, Maritime and Prairie entry portals aren't as busy, though all have registered major gun seizures in the last couple of years.

The rate of seizures normally peaks in the summer tourist months of June, July and August, the agency says in its 2007 year-end intelligence summary.

In an outlook for 2008 in the same document, the agency says overall trends are expected to continue this year.

"The United States will continue to be the primary source of firearm seizures because of its close proximity to Canada and the availability of firearms due to regulations that are more permissive and conducive to gun ownership," the report says.

Women feature in a number of significant gun seizures reported in the monthly intelligence summaries.

In February 2007, a search dog at the Niagara/Fort Erie crossing found three handguns, ammunition and pistol magazines wrapped in plastic bags and duct tape concealed in the spare tire of a car driven by an 18-year-old Pennsylvania woman.

An American woman and her daughter came through the Windsor, Ont., border crossing from Detroit in November 2007 claiming to be on an extended vacation. A search turned up four handguns and a shotgun and the woman was fined $5,000 after pleading guilty to not reporting the weapons.

In May 2007, officers made three major seizures, including 15 restricted firearms at Edmundston, N.B., smuggled by a 64-year-old American who claimed to be on a one-day shopping trip.

Intelligence apparently led to the interception of a Canadian couple at Fort Erie who were caught with seven handguns, one of them loaded.

And at the Douglas, B.C., crossing south of Vancouver, officers arrested a Washington-state man with a 12-gauge shotgun in his car, as well as ropes, tape, several pairs of gloves and a balaclava.

A similar incident happened at the same crossing last August, when a Washington state man was found with a shotgun, loaded semi-automatic pistol, ammunition bags, SWAT-type balaclava, black tactical vest and dark clothing.

Not all illegal guns come by land. In April 2007 customs officers at Toronto's Pearson International Airport seized a fully automatic AK-47 assault rifle from a Canadian returning from Ukraine who claimed it was a non-working replica.
 
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That is so sad Appylover. It happens here as well.

I wonder if the law should be stricter with the law about "securing" guns properly so that children/teenagers do not get access to them? Perhaps if a parent was charged if their child got a hold of the parent's gun, then just perhaps these guns would be secured properly so that it could minimize some of these things? What do you think?
 
Parents are charged if their children get hold of their weapons. Hasn't stopped the shootings yet. It will take a much smarter person than I am to figure out what to do about it; but IMO gun control is not the answer. As someone pointed out earlier the criminal element will get them whether they're legal or not.
 
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No, teenagers can not get permits, nor can they buy ammunition. It is state law, in MOST states, that you must be 21 or older to get a permit, purchase handguns, or purchase handgun ammunition. You must be over 18 to purchase rifles or rifle ammunition. Shotgun ammunition is on the shelves in most places and has no age limit... why, I'm not sure. Airguns and BB guns have age limits as well, but I've never paid attention to them... the age on those is lower, but requires parental permission. I'm not clear on those.

It is still a felony to bring a weapon into a public school, even for permit holders in most states. You must leave it in your vehicle, SECURED. Private school, private workplaces, etc are self-regulated, meaning they can forbid them if they like, as long as signs are posted. But your personal vehicle trumps those regulations, meaning you can bring a weapon onto school grounds or a banned workplace as long as the weapon is concealed and left in the vehicle. ie you can't wave it around and claim its okay because you are in your car.

I'm sure a minor could forge a license and buy ammunition if they really wanted, but they can't buy guns or get a permit with a fake ID, not in KY and not in most states. A background check would quickly show them underage, and the permit checks are extensive. It takes two to four months to get a CCDW permit in Kentucky, and involves seven 100 year background checks, all of which are rerun on a monthly basis. Gun purchase background checks are less extensive, but are still going to show that someone is underage.

There is talk in the US about lifting the public school bans for permit holders, allowing college students to carry to class. This is under debate and has shown some signs of being passed in some areas. I have mixed feelings about it... would I feel better if I was carrying? Yes... but I don't know who else is, and if they are sane or not, lol. Permits are a little too easy to get I think... if there was a little more phychological examination of permit applicants I'd feel better about it
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