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jaytori220

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I have an aprox 3 year old blind, crippled mini mare that I rescued last month. She was on crappy cow quality grass hay, alfalfa cubes and generic tractor supply feed when I got her. I put her on Seminole Wellness Safe and lite pellets and alfalfa hay along with loose minerals by Seminole feed. When I first got her she was fairly thin. She has since gained some weight. She is 29 inches. I give her 3 cups pellets 2x a day and changed her to free choice orchard/alfalfa hay which has very little to no alfalfa. Which she doesnt eat. Shed rather graze on bermuda grass pasture and pick at the hay. When she starts to look good I back her grain down and within a few days I notice her getting ribby again. I bump her back up and she gains it back. What I was wondering is if I should put her on a higher fat feed with 12% protein and keep her on the O&A hay (that she doesnt eat) or put her back on alfalfa hay which she ate more of? She has been wormed and had her teeth floated. I would like to keep her from getting overweight and getting a pot belly. I would like to keep her lean but nicely filled out. Any suggestions? I attatched some pics of the first week I got her.

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Poor thing, she looks like she has app in her.. is she blind or moon blindness? Looking at the pic's the 3rd one she really looks bad, The meddle ones shows she is turning around. You say crippled? why? Her stand looks like she is older and was a brood mare for some time, I say that only because she stands just like a rescue brood mare app we had.. She had major back issues. As for putting weight on her, how long have you had her.. whats the time frame from pic #3 & pic # 2 it will take some time. Sorry I have given you more question then answers but the more info the better to adress things, oh how are her hooves has she even foundered? her stand looks like pain from somewere.
 
I'll let the pros help w/your questions but just wanted to thank you for taking her in and seeking sound advice from others. Welcome to the forum, everyone here always has special places in their heart for the rescues and rescuees. Again thanks for helping this wee one.
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She looks pretty sad. So kind of you to try to help her.

Not sure if Purina Tri Max is a product you can get but if so, it certainly helped my stallion who "runs himself ragged" with his mares.

You came to the right place for help though and there will lots of people with expertise, and might be best to hear from those in your neighbourhood
 
I would also like to say Well Done for giving this little pony a life once again
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..bless her
 
This is a subject near and dear to my heart, so bear with me! LOL!

I have a 13 yr old hard keeper. When she first came to me, I had no idea what a hard keeper was! I was such a newbie (still am in many ways). She had recently lost a foal so I think she still maintained some of her baby weight, even though I know now that it was much. Over the course of the next year, she lost weight and condition. It wasn't until the following spring (one year after she arrived here) that I realized how bad she was. I spent the next many months trying to find a way to reverse the issue. Our #1 problem is that not only was she a hard keeper but she's an incredibly picky eater. Many of the "standard" things that are often recommended for weight gain she simply would NOT eat. Would in fact, completely ignore everything in her bucket if an the smallest amount of the offending matter were in there.

We have tried the high calorie feed by Purina called Ultium. We tried the add-on feed supplement Amplify (also by Purina). We tried beet pulp (with and without molasses), canola oil, rice bran oil, to name a few. After spending more than a few $$ only to waste them because she refused to eat them (and many of these things came in 50lb bags only!), I was reluctant to try anything more that I couldn't at least "sample" first.

We finally have found that she will eat Purina's Omolene 300 (16% protein) without too much fuss (2lbs 2x a day). Because there's always concern that an ulcer might be at play here, we now sprinkle on a small serving (1/4 scoop 2x a day) of powder Ulcer Guard. We also found she liked SmartPak's Smart Gain 4 weight supplement...also 1/4 scoop 2x aday (which we could TRY first). She gets pasture time a few days a week, up to 3 hours on her own to eat her morning and evening feedings without interference from the rest of the herd. She is a very slow eater and despite being the boss mare, she rarely will fight for her feed. I give her an alfalfa mix hay while she's separated.

She went from having a body score of between 2-3 in my opinion, to just at a 4. I would *love* to get her to a 5, but I'm trying to be satisfied. I still feel that her hip bones and her ridge line are too pronounced but at least they're improved.

Its always a good to have their teeth examined in these cases. Our horse had some definitely issues that were making it her hard for her to eat at all (very poor lateral movement).

I'm including some pics but I need get some better ones that show her hips and spine ridge better, but you'll see that this is the best I've gotten her to despite giving her tons of opportunity to intake a good deal of calories each day. I realize that she's not nearly as thin as your mare, but this might give you an idea of what it took for me to get her to this point.

I'm a big fan of using a "pound" measuring tool vs. a cup as this is how most foods are made to be measured. Your profile doesn't say where you are, but I wouldn't worry about her getting too plump with winter coming on unless she has a history of laminitis/founder that you're concerned with. I prefer to send my girls into to winter months with some padding so they can withstand the colder temps better. They're happier when they don't have to be stalled or blanketed. That extra pad helps us be able to do both.

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The reason I say crippled is because her left back pastern is crooked and she walks on the SIDE on the outside of her hoof. The sole and frog point out to the side. It does not impare her any though. She can get up an go when she wants too....
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Had a farrier out to trim her. No evidence of foundering. I did talk to a mini breeder in my state who saw pics of it and said that it looks to be a congenital defect. "Suposedly" the reason she is blind....this was the story I was told...that she ran through some low lying trees ans scratched her eyes and instead of having a vet look at her for corneal abrasions they used neosporin. But I dont really beleive that story.....I can beleive that she scratched her eyes that way and lack of veterinary care and proper care for corneal abrasions could have blinded her. She does see some wether it be shadows or whatever. But she seems to see much better up close then far away.
 
Poor thing, she looks like she has app in her.. is she blind or moon blindness? Looking at the pic's the 3rd one she really looks bad, The meddle ones shows she is turning around. You say crippled? why? Her stand looks like she is older and was a brood mare for some time, I say that only because she stands just like a rescue brood mare app we had.. She had major back issues. As for putting weight on her, how long have you had her.. whats the time frame from pic #3 & pic # 2 it will take some time. Sorry I have given you more question then answers but the more info the better to adress things, oh how are her hooves has she even foundered? her stand looks like pain from somewere.

Yes she is a mini app....
 
I will leave the advice to those with more experience in the matter but I too wanted to thank you for taking this little girl in and giving her the love and care that she deserves.

God Bless you
 
Poor thing, she looks like she has app in her.. is she blind or moon blindness? Looking at the pic's the 3rd one she really looks bad, The meddle ones shows she is turning around. You say crippled? why? Her stand looks like she is older and was a brood mare for some time, I say that only because she stands just like a rescue brood mare app we had.. She had major back issues. As for putting weight on her, how long have you had her.. whats the time frame from pic #3 & pic # 2 it will take some time. Sorry I have given you more question then answers but the more info the better to adress things, oh how are her hooves has she even foundered? her stand looks like pain from somewere.

She is 3ish. Has never been bred. Ive had her a month. The pics are from the day I brought her home in the worst pic, The other two are within 7 days of us getting her. I think its the way she is standing in the pic. She usually doesnt look to be in pain. Farrier came out and trimmed her and was no evidence of foundering. He said her feet look good considering what she came from. Practically a mud pit locked in a stall. I brought her home in the cab of my brand new truck.......
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Here are a few more pics of her before we backed her down on her feed and switched her to orchard grass. This was before she started getting ribby again. I have since upped her feed again. Seems like once I downed her calories she lost some weight. These pics are of her a couple weeks ago. Weve had her a month now.

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Yes she is a mini app....


I want to THANK YOU for helping her.. I should have said that 1st.. she reminds me of my rescue Stormy she was an app and she had moon blindnees comon in app.. There are eye creams for it, It would have to be from the vet. Plus you would need the vet to say what it is... Hard to tell whats going on with her with out a vet seeing her.

again thank you for giving he a chance & love & care she has lacked for sure, Bless her heart
 
She is 3ish. Has never been bred. Ive had her a month. The pics are from the day I brought her home in the worst pic, The other two are within 7 days of us getting her. I think its the way she is standing in the pic. She usually doesnt look to be in pain. Farrier came out and trimmed her and was no evidence of foundering. He said her feet look good considering what she came from. Practically a mud pit locked in a stall. I brought her home in the cab of my brand new truck.......
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Here are a few more pics of her before we backed her down on her feed and switched her to orchard grass. This was before she started getting ribby again. I have since upped her feed again. Seems like once I downed her calories she lost some weight. These pics are of her a couple weeks ago. Weve had her a month now.

GOD LOVE YA
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I may have missed it, but I don't see mention of deworming this mare. If she hasn't been dewormed, she is probably due. Talking with your vet about what to use would be best, but I'd probably start with a mild product like SafeGuard, so as to not kill them off too fast and make her sick from the dying worms.
 
You are a wonderful gal for taking this horse in and trying to help her out and home her.

I think she is on the wrong feed. For a horse that needs to gain weight and is a hard keeper, you have her on lite feed. I would get something for her with more protein and calories. Lots of good feed out there but whatever you select be sure to introduce any changes slowly. I'm a fan of Purina Strategy. As long as she is grazing, its pretty normal that she would rather have green grass than hay so I would not worry about it at this time.

This horse needs to be seen by a very good vet for her eyes and her leg. She looks to me with all this wrong with her that this horse could have been involved in a accident or wreck of some sort with those kinds of problems going on and just left to mend on her own. She needs to be seen by a vet today and not just any vet, a very clever and skilled equine vet and maybe transported to your nearest equine hospital. She needs a good eye exam. There is always a chance that with proper meds, she may regain sight but I would be acting quickly.

As far as her leg goes, that does not seem to be just the hoof, but the entire leg to me and it has to be painful and must be examed there too for that. She should have radiographs to see what is going on and how she can be helped. Please don't wait on a vet call. You are on my good guy list. Best wishes.
 
Hard keepers and starved horses, something I hate to deal with, but have a bit of experience in with both big horses and minis. I agree with Marty, its not the feed I would be giving her, she doesnt need a lite feed. I would try her on purina ultium, triple crown complete, or blue seal / sentinel performance LS. All three are 12% protein and 12% fat, and awesome for hard keepers or horses who need to gain weight. Between the three different brands, you should be able to find one local. I would keep up with the alfalfa, it helps prevent stomach ulcers, which are common in starved horses, and provides a lot of quality protein and calories. I like to make a mash with beetpulp and chopped alfalfa of alfalfa cubes and water, and feed that along with their feed and regular hay. You can also add extra calories by adding oil to her feed. You start off slow, maybe an ounce, and work your way up. I have fed my minis up to a 1/4 cup twice a day when they needed weight. They make horse "brands" but soy oil, corn oil, vegetable oil, etc. work well and are economical. The best part is you can get them at the grocery store, no shipping them and having to wait.

Are you sure shes only 29", she looks bigger to me at least. In the picture with the shed in the back, shes as tall as the door handles. My 34" gelding comes up to about the same height on our shed thats similar. Maybe you are misjudging her size, and she is a larger build and possibly needs more feed. 3 cups per meal isnt much, especially for a hard keeper. My idle easy keeper is getting roughly 3 cups of feed twice a day, plus hay. Weighing her feed is probably the best thing to do, since feed can weigh different amounts, even the same formula. Walmart has real cheap kitchen scaled that work great.

I also agree with worming her. I would use safeguard so that it doesn't kill off the entire worm load and put her system in shock. Consult your vet though, to make sure they agree with that, and for the proper amount to use.
 
Can I add my thanks to you for taking on this sweet little girl - she was so lucky you found her.
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I'm in the UK so can't really put names to the brands of food available to you over there, but you have already had good advice from the others. Yes, she needs more food and yes it needs to be of a higher protein and suitable for weight gain. IMO you shouldn't be reducing her feed because you think she looks fatter or might founder - she is so far away from possible laminitis/founder for it to even be considered at the moment. Help her gain a lot more weight slowly as she will need to be well covered, hopefully, before the coming winter. Keep her going on the grass as much as possible while you are sorting things out - it is the most natural food she can have and to 'trickle feed' on grass can only do her good.

I also agree that she might have been in some sort of accident, so it would be good to get her checked over by a first class equine vet sometime soon - when/if you can afford it, plus/or a bone/back specialist who could possibly help if indeed she has had an accident/been caught up somehow.

But you are doing a great job. It will probably be a long while before she is all 'back to normal'. Wishing you good luck, and please keep in touch so we can see how she and you are doing.

Thank you again.
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As bad as she looks I would not be lowing her grain any, anytime soon. I would also put her on better hay that she will eat. She has A LOT of weight to gain before she would even be considered in shape let alone fat.
 
Personally if I were you I would put her on Strategy GX 3 cups twice per day along with 1 cup Amplify Supplement by purina twice per day and let her free feed by herself on as much hay as you can get her to eat - coastal bermude hay is fine. You must leave her on this for month or two not just days - otherwise you'll never see an improvement.

I've used this on hard keepers of my own and it works wonders. You won't get the potbelly look from this diet either as that look is typically one that horses who have low protein diets obtain.

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