If AMHA hardship fees were reduced

[Charlotte]

If AMHA were to have a limited time reduction in hardship fees would you take advantage of it? and if you did, how many horses would you hardship?

Below is the proposal.

Temporary reduction in hardship fees:

1. reduce by 1/2 the current hardship fees

2. reduce the fees by 3/4 for outcross registered horses (PtHA & AMHR & any other accepted outcross registries)

3. The fee reduction to be a limited time offer

4. Consider waiving the requirement for DNA on this Limited Time Offer .. REASONS:

a. all DNA rules will apply anyway after the horse is registered

b. DNA will add considerable expense and effort to the hardship registration for those wishing to hardship register large numbers of horses.

c. The DNA process is cumbersome and time consuming for the horse owner.

d. The greatest success to this offer will come if the process is EASY for the horse owner.

5. Allow the pedigree (scanned from the outcross registration certificate submitted with the hardship application) of the outcross horse to be printed onto it's new AMHA registration certificate. Because this is not an AMHA pedigree it will not be entered into the AMHA stud books but will ONLY appear on the hardshipped horse's AMHA registration certificate. This will document the outcross pedigree of the hardshipped horse.

What other benefits would this bring to AMHA?

1. Increased membership ....

a. Because office work is cheaper for members

b. Because membership is required to receive many of the benefits of AMHA.

2. Increased entries at shows!

3. New shows being generated to accommodate the increase in show entries.

4. More and active Amateurs, AOTE, and Youth.

5. More active international members and organizations

This program also brings in the genetic diversity which the Genetics Committee has been wanting without creating a divisive situation like an oversize division would. AMHA needs unity, not division.

thank you for taking the time to read this and offer your opinions.

Charlotte

p.s. Current Hardship Fees:

Stallion: $1,200

Mare: $600 PLEASE NOTE....I HAD THE PRICE WRONG!

Gelding: $500

 

[rabbitsfizz]

The poll is not working for me!!!

 

[Frankie]

Jane,

I think because you have to answer both questions to submit,,,,,,,,

so if you answer no,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2nd question does not apply,,,,,,,,and will not submit

 

[wpsellwood]

If I had any that wasnt registered A already I would. I would probably be more open to purchase an AMHR papered horse only too.

 

[Gena]

:aktion033: I think that would be a wonderful offer!

I want to share we did hardship a mare and her filly and the experience was awesome, the folks that work for AMHA that walked us through the process were wonderful and patient with all of our questions etc! We were very impressed and was definately worth the process and a positive experience!

 

[Songcatcher]

I cannot say that I would hardship any horses, because I do not have any that are not AMHA registered. However, it might make me consider buying an "R" only horse (IF I were in the market to buy, which I am not at the present time).

 

[ClickMini]

My concern with this "limited time offer" would be the age situation for horses that are under 5 years. I would sure want to see a person able to bring a horse into the AMHA registry from AMHR as long as they can fit the height qualifications for their age.

 

[kimie28]

IF AMHA were to do this, when do you think it would be?

 

[Leeana]

I think if AMHA was to really do this, they would bring in allot of money even if the price is slashed in half or 3/4th. I have 31'' gelding i would hardship in a second if the price was slashed in half. I'm sure if they did this and REALLY advertized it and got it out there they could bring in some serious bucks IMO.

Only thing is, i dont think there is much of a possibility of it actually happening.

I'd rather have 10 people pay me $200/each for a service instead of 2 people pay $500/each, even at less then half you come out ahead with the lower price and it gets more people.

I think the gelding hardship is WAY to high, i can see the Mare and stallions being higher but $500 to hardship a gelding .....nope. I think that is way WAY to high.

 

[JMS Miniatures]

Heck yeah. I have 1 stallion and 1 gelding I would love to get hardshipped into AMHA, both are AMHR registered already, but if I have both my stallions AMHA/AMHR registered then I would want my mares to be AMHA/AMHR registered also, so far I have no mares double registered, but would be a reason to get double registered mares. And with the gelding, get him AMHA registered, and now that it looks like the AMHA shows are coming to my neck of the woods I would show him in AMHA as well as AMHR. See how much just those 2 horses getting hardshipped into AMHA would profit AMHA later on. I have 1 mare that is like on the border line at 34" would love to get her AMHA registered as well.

As for the price in hardshipping a gelding is redioculous (sp) anyways. It should be cut in half IMO without any question.

 

[PaintedPromiseRanch]

what i really wish is that the mini horse people would take a page from the donkey registry... if i am reading their instructions correctly, and i have checked and double-checked, if you have a vet certificate that the animal meets the physical size and confirmation requirements, even with no parent information you can register them for the SAME FEE as a new baby from papered parents. their philosophy is, better to start records now, even with no history, then at least you will have from now into the future which is better than nothing... with hardship fees what they are, my feeling is it only causes more and more unpapered horses being bred...

(please note that we personally will only breed with papers, the only exception being using the non-papered mares for mule babies, since the resulting offspring are sterile anyway... and since the ADMS will actually register mules, we fully intend to make sure everyone on our property that can have papers will have papers, if for no other reason than proper identification...)

 

[RobinRTrueJoy]

I would hardship two mares.

It would be great to have a reduced hardship fee, but what holds me back also is the fee and hassle of getting adirector to come and evaluate the horse for hardship. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong that this needs to be done also.

Thanks!

 

[Charlotte]

Robin, I do feel the horse should be measured by a director or past director as are the rules now, but it has been our experinece that directors don't try to 'make money' on the measuring but I imagine if some distance away would ask for gas money or some such.

It seems to me this would be a good time to get a bunch of owners together in one area and have a director or past director come to that area for measuring. Kind of the same thing we do for a professional photo shoot....either all come to one farm, or have a bunch of farms in one area ask for measuring at the same time.. As I understand it AMHA has a list of past and present directors from which to choose. I would think there would be directors not too far from just about anyone.

Kimie28, I don't have any idea when this might be done, but the proposal has been presented to the Executive Committee. If it is decided to go forward with this proposal it shouldn't take long to implement as there simply isn't very much involved and no rules to change or no ByLaws to change etc. (hmmm, maybe the waiving of DNA would be a rule change? I'll have to research that)

I certainly don't want to give anyone false hopes, but I am trying to collect some statistics to accompany the proposal. And I also want input ...for or against .......... to see if I have missed something so I really appreciate those who have brought forward their concerns about the idea.

Charlotte

 

[Field-of-Dreams]

I have one mare, two stallions, two geldings (maybe three if he measures under)and one filly I would in a second. :aktion033:

Lucy

 

[vvf]

I would do it in a heartbeat.

I only have hardshipped one so far and will not do it again for the current price.

But yes, if the prices were reduced for a limited time, i would hardship 6 horses.

 

[MyBarakah]

:aktion033: Hi!

I would LOVE that, if the hardship fees could be reduced. I have 2 nice R mares that I want hardshipped into A so that when they foal that foal will be A & R regsitered. Especially if you can get the price reduced for hardshiping, I am not too concerned with the extra director fee it will cost to have come to measure them.

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[horsefeather]

I have never shown AMHA but would with some of my smaller AMHR horses, especially if they were anywhere close.

Pam

 

[Gena]

Charlotte - AMHA did give us the name of two directors fairly close to our area to choose from. The one we chose came right to our home and only asked for a cup of hot chocolate and gas money, he was very nice!

I have heard that a few folks in our area will hardship at the same time and have a director meet on a certain day, I think that is a great idea.

We felt AMHA was extrememly helpful and very patient with all of our questions and were a great help finding the closest director. It was a simple process, if they could offer the fees for less IMO a lot more people would hardship.

 

[Michelle@wescofarms]

I didn't vote as I don't have any horses to hardship - I won't buy an AMHR only horse because of the pain to hardship & cost or I guess I should say I haven't seen a horse that I wanted badly enough that was AMHR only that I was willing to hardship.

I would be in favor of reducing the fee, but my personal preference would be for a reduced structure now ONLY to AMHR registered horses and I would want them DNA tested. It would be nice if AMHA would list the parents known name if the horse comes from AMHR anyway - those of us that have double registered horses or access to both studbooks could verify information, etc.

I'm not against hardshipping that special find that has no known pedigree, but I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a horse that has unknown x unknown on their pedigree.

My friend Kathi (wcr) has a filly that she has to wait to hardship as her parents are both AMHA registered, but her dam died without being DNA tested - the original owner of the dam won't supply hair (she has it) for a DNA test, so Kathi has to wait until this filly is 5 to hardship her. At least she'll be able to have her DNA/PQ tested against the sire - half a pedigree is better than none I guess! Hopefully she'd be able to get Annie papers if their was a special reduced fee/time period.

 

[Becky]

I posted this on another thread, but I think reduced hardshipping fees would be fantastic!

I'd like to elaborate a bit on the current hardship fees.

Many seem to think that the prices are outrageous but are they really? I've hardshipped 3 mares and one stallion into AMHA. I just 'hardshipped' 2 mares into AMHR.

Doing the math, I've come up with these figures.

1. Mare 1 - AMHR purchased years ago at auction for $1200. Hardshipped into AMHA for $641 (including DNA). So now the basic investment is $1841. This mare's double registered offspring have sold collectively for over $10,000.

2. Mare 2 - AMHR purchased some years back for $1500 and and hardshipped into AMHA for $641. Total base investment $2141. Foals have sold collectively for approx $7000.

3. Mare 3 - AMHR traded another mare for this one. No initial cash investment. Harshipped into AMHA for $641. Initial investment cash price - $641. Her first three foals have brought over $10,000. This mare is an AMHA Top 10, two of her foals have been as well.

4. Stallion - AMHR purchased for $400. Hardshipped into AMHA for $1241. Base cash investment - $1641. Stallion has gone on to be an AMHA World Champion and multi Top 10. Two foals (out of two small foals crops) have been AMHA Top 10, AMHA World Champion and PtHA Reserve World Champion. His first 7 foals to sell have brought close to $20,000.

I just registered two AMHA mares in AMHR for $260 each. A bargain in my opinion! And I have very little invested in these two now double registered mares.

So, would you not be willing to pay $641 - $2141 for quality double registered mares and stallions? I think they are bargains! Just something to think about.

If the fees were half that much or less, wow!