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Ok here are my 'thoughts'!! We do keep Banamine on hand in case it is needed, but some mares always want a dose and some dont.

In some 45 years + I have never given a foal an enema!! We are strickly 'hands off' a foal once it is born. We are there to help at the birth, never leaving a mare to try doing it on her own when a small amount of help can get baby delivered smoothly and a mare saved a minute or two of extra effort. Foal is quickly cleared of its sac, cord is dipped and it is moved a little closer to its Momma's head before she even gets up, to start the bonding process. (we will give the foal a quick rub down while this is going on, but we usually foal in warmer weather and all the stables are in an indoor building, bedding plentiful and banked up at the sides and door of the stalls to keep out draughts.) We quickly clear away any damp patch in the bedding plus the last couple of dropping the mare might have done (no droppings allowed in our stables, normally at any time but particularly when a mare is foaling). Then we get out of there and leave them together. Of course we usually send someone for a fresh cuppa so we can quietly watch from a distance to monitor mare and foal. A foal cannot see clearly for several days after birth, it goes by smell, and we think that it is vitally important for it to get the smell of its dam and not of a human being, and this is why we keep out of the way - many foals seem to be confused as to who they should be ''connected' to when there is too much human activity!

About half an hour after the mare is up and attending to her new baby, we offer her a mushy warm (small) feed and replenish her pile of soft leafy hay. As we have internal cameras now, we usually return to the house and watch from there. Before we had cameras we would quietly wander around the barn seeing to the other mares etc so as to keep an eye on the foal's progress and in case the mare started to colic of something. But I am totally against trying to help a foal drink. Too many folk seem to think that a foal must drink within half an hour of birth, and this human 'interferance' can freak both the foal and the mare. How many times do you watch on cams where the foal is leaping around and strugglng to get away from being 'held', with the poor Momma getting stressed because her foal is stressed? Even Dr. Taylor - the vet who often posts and offers advice on the main forum - has said that a foal will cope happily with no milk for 6 or even 12 hours (not that I would leave it this long, but most of ours have happily found the milk bar themselves between 1 and 3 hours). So dont panic as this is a very important bonding time between Momma and baby!

We usually offer the mare another small mushy warm feed a couple of hours later, just to help her digestion start up again, and then we worm her around 6 hours after the birth or just before we take Momma and baby out for a nibble of grass, giving the mare another warm mushy feed when she comes back in after that first half hour or so nibble.

This is all just my personal opinion and, of course, if we felt that anything was not quite right with either the mare or the foal, we would call the vet immediately.
 
okay so now back to feeding after a foal is born. Lily is on 1/2 scoop of OBS mare foal pellets twice a day. How much and how soon after delivery do I give her. Or should I just give her some warm bran mash? And then do I do the same at dinner?

Thanks guys for all the info Im just trying to make sure I have the mare and foal care covered. Another thing I had read that if the bag goes down during the day that the mare shouldnt foal that night...is that true for maidens as well? Im guessing its probably another not 100% positive thing. only because I have read of mares foaling without bags and I have read the mares are doing weird stuff this year. I have a alarm set for every 45 minutes at night for me to check on her....is this to long should I change it to every 30 minutes. She seems pretty laid back usually at night so I figure when she starts acting different from that ill stay up and watch
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Your mare is killing me!! I'm sure you are dying from anticipation as well!

I've learned a lot from your thread, so glad I finally read through all of it!!

I am a first timer at having a mini foal, but my mare isnt a maiden but she did lose her foal last year.

Good luck with your girl, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread!!
 
thanks mthowdy! She is killing me too! I pray she goes before we go out of town. Im also worried about the foal getting to big. My mare doesnt have big hips and I know the longer she goes the bigger the change of the foal getting stuck. i had actually prayed she'd go early but no luck with that. She is keeping me on my toes. Her bag has gone down tonight so not sure what that means as she seems to not be listening to me. Maybe I should take the lap top out and read the rule book to her.
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She is making me insane...my poor husband is so tired of hearing me try to plead with her. I havent done this before but gave into my children begging to have a mini baby now they sleep at night while mom is a nervous wreck....lily doesnt seem bothered until the foal starts kicking....then she gets mad. I pray every night for a safe delivery but the longer it goes the more worried i get!
 
Debra we all get nervous and worried towards the end so you are not alone. I am a nervous wreck when my girls foal and all my plans to be calm and organised go out the window. Lol
 
That does make me feel normal. She is so petite I worry about her lol...but I guess any good owner would find something to worry about
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I will keep my fingers crossed that she goes before you go out of town too- and I think she will!

(knocks on wood)

I'm a nervous wreck too...but right now I am still able to sleep most of the night....but in a couple days or less I will be doing half hour checks, and I know that that will make me even crazier!!

Just try and stay calm- it is the only thing we can do!
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Please try not to worry, Lily is doing just fine and there is no reason why she should not foal easily. As she is a maiden mare things may be a bit tight, but no reason to suppose that the foal will get stuck in any way. Be there for her when she foals and once you have checked on two little feet and a nose (as soon as you see two little hooves - one usually just in front of the other right at the beginning - get down close and personal and feel gently inside her on top of those feet, up the legs for the little nose - about 6" or so further in. All correct and you are good to go. Get hold of the foals legs (dont break the sac) just above the fetlocks and gently put a bit of tension on them, not a pull. As the mare pushes bring the legs forward with her contraction and then hold them steady - this will stop them slipping back an inch or two inbetween contractions. You should be directing any help you are giving towards the mares hocks not directly outwards in a straight line. The foal is born on a curve down towards the mares hocks. Once the nose appears you may find, as she is a maiden, that the top of the head looks too 'tight' to come through. Dont panic! Just make sure the nose can 'fit' slightly inbetween those front legs and keeping one hand on the legs, gently ease the mares stretched vulva up over the top of the foals head - dont be frightened, a mare's vulva is really stretched tight at this point, but she needs to get the head through not be left with it stretching her, so help out, she will be grateful! The next point is the 'triangle' formed by the two elbows and the withers (think about it) You may not have the time to do this, but it can help if when this point is reached you just slightly lift first one leg and then the other, this allows the elbow 'points' to come through and gives an inch more space for the withers to clear - does this make sense, just try to picture it, I think it is common sense when you think of the shape of the foal trying to get through a narrow gap! Nearly home and dry now!! Keep the pressure gently on the legs guiding the foal towards Momma's hocks and the the hips should just slip through with the next contraction. Just be careful to keep the foal 'straight' on its curve, no twisting sideways. We usually leave the foal's hind feet just 'inside' the mare - this is an old fashioned idea as it was thought that the mare would stay laying down a bit longer instead of jumping to her feet immediately - she can rest a moment and catch her breath. Whip the sac off the foals head as it needs to breath - oxygen is cut off during its birth, which is why foals need to be born so quickly! Run your fingers down either side of the foal's nose to clear any mucus out of its nostrils, I usually run a quick finger between its lips too. Now while they are both gathering breath you can check for the sex!! And then get ready for the cord. Hopefully both the foal and mare will stay put for several minutes (you can give the foal a rub with a dry towel now) as the extra blood flows down the cord and into the foal. The cord should break when the mare gets to her feet, but it she does this quickly after the birth, be prepared with a sharp pair of scissors (have them right to hand not on a shelf outside) to cut the cord about 3" from the foal. Be prepared for the cord to bleed if you have to do this - blood will still be flowing from the mare's end of the cord (your mare is NOT bleeding to death!) but you dont want the foal's end of the cord to be losing blood - he/she needs it. So pinch the end of the cord until the bleeding stops. Occasionally the foal's bleeding doesn't stop. Have a thin piece of string ready soaking in whatever you are going to use for dipping the cord and tie this tight around the cord about an inch above your cut end. Then dip the cord.

If the mare stays down you should be able to pull the foal round to her with the cord still attached, just to get it's nose and front hooves in reach for her to talk to it. It is a good idea to wait there quietly until the mare gets up as sometimes with tight fitting foals the withers can 'graze' the nerves under the mare's spine, this can make her a bit wobbly when she first gets to her feet and you might need to quickly pull the foal out of the way! But once she is up and ok and the foal has been sexed and had the cord dipped or tied, they are good to go and you can leave them to bond.

Feed wise, you need to weigh the amount you are now giving her. I would think, taking in her grass and hay, she should be having between 3 and 4 lbs of mare and foal per day at the moment, she may need more after she foals depending on whether she drops her weight over the foaling. Bran is not much use, you can mix her pellets with warm water to make them into a mushy feed for her over the first couple of days and that will be fine. As she is used to grass going through her system (I am right and you do have grass pastures?) then it is important that she gets back on to the grass as soon as possible as her system is used to it. Weather permitting she can go out with her baby for an hour or so morning and afternoon for the first few days after the birth, and for most of the day after that just as normal.

Hope some of this helps. And dont worry, we all suffer that panic feeling at the onset of a mare's labour, but then we suddenly get busy and common sense kicks in. It's a wonderful experience helping that little being into the world. Enjoy it.
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Thanks Anna You are making me feel better. I had read most of the delivery stuff so I have that pretty well memorized LOL. The feed thing helps alot. I am in florida and we have sand not dirt lol....not alot of grass I do allow her in the front yard to graze from time to time but usually they are on Hay. You guys are awesome and every bit of this does help and makes me feel so much better. I must thank all of you for having the wonderful patience to answer the same questions over and over again from 1 person to the next. I hope to thank you soon by showing you a beautiful foal! One can only hope sooner rather than later
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Okay so this morning her bag looks slightly better but......I did find a reddish brown spot on the inside of the back leg. There are no wounds anywhere so I wonder if maybe shes loosing her mucus plug? Any thoughs

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thats kind of what I was thinking! so does that mean anything..LOL or does that still mean anytime from now and 4 weeks
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she walked away from her feed this morning...ate a little but left alot....she went to eat hay. At somepoint of the hour I was gone she did finally finish it.
 
Yup- looks like she lost her mucus plug. My mare did that several weeks before foaling but her bag did not look as good as your mares does now. Laney (my mare) also would have some thin bloody show drip from her vulva time to time.
 
I noticed the samething about 2 weeks ago. wonder if she only lost half and now lost the rest of it...who knows shes killing me......Shoot me now please
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appearantly shes gonna take her time!
 
I'm just now catching up on this thread, but I wanted to say that from your mare's udder picture today, she looks to be very close. If her udder stays up and full during the day today like the picture you posted, she may well foal in the next 24 hours. Generally, a mare's udder will get very firm, hard and 'tight' when they are approaching foaling. That usually happens within 12 - 24 hours of foaling.

You need to keep a continous eye on her. Mares go into labor and foal very quickly.

I wanted to add that I deworm my mares after foaling when they pass manure after foaling. Normally, this doesn't happen for 12 - 24 hours after foaling as a mare cleans out well prior to delivery. I want to make sure the plumbing is working well, before I potentially overload her system with worms.

All of my mares get Banamine as soon as they foal. Once I determine that the foal is breathing and doing what it is supposed to do - up on it's sternum and moving around, I will go get my Banamine. I want my mares to be as pain free as possible to take care of their new baby.

I don't give enemas routinely. I have rarely ever had a foal that needed one. When I have had to give them, it's usually been when the foal is several days old and eating dirt, hay and anything else it can stuff in it's mouth.
 
Okay Just a update I went out to check and her udder did go down today
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guessing that means not tonight huh! Well worse case maybe this weekend. I realize sunday is a full moon...not sure if there any truth to that story or not but maybe it will be then!
 
Although I always tell folk to watch for the udder to stay full and tight during the day, I still wouldn't count it a 100% sign - a lot of mares foal with 'slack' bags and Lily might be one of those.

I wouldn't relax my watching of her if I was you.
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I felt her udder this evening even though its not full it is hard and warm...just not full. I can very easily get yellow very sticky fluid from her.
 
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I can't wait for a morning update as it sounds like she is very close
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ok heres updated pictures...the bag this morning is not as good as normal. Also after 8:30 lastnight she only pooped 3-4 times I got out there around 7 am. Theres usually a huge mound waiting on me. Heres some quick pictures I grabbed thsi morning. Kind of disappointed about the bag size as usually its much better.

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Just realized looking at the picture her bag is actually really full towards the back....just not all the way toward the front like it normally is......if you need better pics let me know. I grabbed these with the cell phone so they arent the best. Any advice Im thinking about turning her out on grass today just for a hour or two.
 

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