Madonna

[rabbitsfizz]

OK put colour right out of the picture.

How is it OK to root a child out of it's ethnic background and dump it down in a COMPLETELY different background because YOU want a child??

I supported an African orphan for years- right through to leaving school, in fact.

In her own home, in her own country because that was the best thing for HER.

I did not put my own desires above the needs of the child.

I do believe that, wherever possible, the child should Ber matched to the parents, this includes colour as well as ethnic background- I would have thought that was just common sense??

I do not believe that ANYONE has a "right" to adopt a child, God given, as some seem to believe, and the fact that the child is not well off in it's own environment is no reason to uproot it and dump it another equally bad (potentially) and foreign environment.

Saying you can give the child a better life is SO arrogant- better than what??

Better than merely supporting it and allowing it the freedom to grow up in it's NATIVE environment??

There was a case just recently of an American adoptive mother (could have been foster) who actually KILLED the child she had adopted- he did not fit in (I believe both kids had behavioural issues) Turns out she never wanted them particular anyway, it was her husbands idea,

They are both in jail now for manslaughter.

The adoption process was just too easy- the assumption being form what I can gather that these babies will be automatically better off with the American parents- quite patently not true, as it turns out,. they were not getting a good standard of care but at least they were not being immersed in boiling water either!!

I do not think Madonna should have been allowed to take this child- there were rumours of her being charged with kidnapping but I think they went away when she offered to build a school.

How can it be right to be able to BUY a baby??

We are just celebrating 200 years since slavery was made illegal in the British Empire and it turns out it is alive and well and living on under the name of "adoption"

OK I am done with this- it is all done and dusted anyway, as you may have gathered I despise the woman and I despise what she has been allowed to do.

Unfortunately it is the child that is, as in all cases, going to pay the price for all this, whatever it turned out to be.

 

[Pandora]

Adoption is no way close to slavery, I don't see how you can compare the 2!

And lets say a white jewish baby is adopted by an white irish catholic family. There is a chance, that even though the baby and parents are both white, some heritage could be lost.

I think adoption is a great thing. There are so many unwanted kids out there. I don't see how anyone can be against it! It's better for the child to grow up in aloving home than an orphanage or the foster care system.

Like I said before, I'm glad America is more open minded about adoption.

 

[wade3504]

Sorry, off topic Matt, but Rabbitfizz have you heard about conditions and treatment in many orphanages especially for the girls? I really can't see how you can say that they'd be better off left in those kind of situations. I know two different families, one who has adopted two chinese girls and the other who has adopted 4 from various countries and I do think they are much better off here than where they would have been left.

Amanda

 

[Boinky]

I very respectfully dissagree Rabbit. I do not have children..nor do i really have a desire to have one or adopt one..but i still dissagree. Wade I also know exactly what your talking about about chinese orphanages. My cousin came from one..no heat, running water ect. she was filthy and dressed in about 14 layers of rags to "keep her warm". my aunt and uncle said they were horrible conditions. well if that's better for them..then so be it i guess..but i disagree. It doesn't matter what you go through to adopt a child and beleive me..adopting a chinese child is NOT easy there will probably always be that BAD PERSON out there who "kills" a child or whatever..it happens in their own races all the time. It's just the way life is unfortunately..... I would NOT say that all adoptions are unsucessful because of a few bad ones. And for another thing.. if a child "doesn't fit in" WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?!?! it's the fault of the parents and society out there who ARE racist and do not beleive that a black child should live with a white family (and it does NOT mean they lose their heritage or what not..many adoptive parents still continue to help the child learn about it throughout their lives) It's sort of promoting that whole mind set by even implying that because they are different they can't live in harmony. I guess that's just how i feel. I dont' know if madonna was right or wrong to adopt this child but I dont' feel it's wrong for a black/white child to live with another race.

 

[alongman]

Child abuse, no matter what the color of parents/children is a horrific act. Love for a child, again no matter what the color, is a terrific act. I was fortunate to be born to a loving family and have loving parents. However, I had the pleasure to talk to a 12 y/o girl last night at work who stated very clearly "I would rather have ANY loving family than the abuse I deal with". Powerful words!

I do think that this thread has taken a VERY different slide than what Matt had intended. Sorry Matt!

 

[Shelley]

<I do believe that, wherever possible, the child should Ber matched to the parents, this includes colour as well as ethnic background- I would have thought that was just common sense??>

Gosh...my blonde haired, blue-eyed nephew is raising a black child. I guess I should call him and tell him he is not qualified! Wait...oh that's right, his wife is black - it is his own son! ...so what should we do about THAT one, eh?

:

Shelley

 

[mininik]

All I have to say is it's unfortunate that some people still judge others by the tone of their skin.

 

[Boinky]

i agree.. guess i just DONT' GET IT.. any way you cut it it should not boil down to your race or even religion.. as adam said.. i'd MUCH MUCH rather grow up in a happy loving family than one that wans't but was from my own race/religion (i was fortunate enough to grow up in a very loving family)!