National Animal Identification System

[auledasacres]

I don't know if this has been shared on this board. If it has I am sorry. If not I am glad I did.

In the Countryside & Small Stock Journal Jan/Feb 2006 was a artical about this.

It basically tells of this new system they are trying to implement. It will require every person who owns even one horse, cow, pig, chicken, sheep, pigeon, or virtually any livestock to register their home, including owners's name, address, and telephone number, and keyed to Global Positioning System coordinates(for Satellite-assisted location of homes and farms).

Second, individual animals identification will require owners to obtain a id number to be kept in a federal database for any animal that ever leaves the premises of its birth. This would include even animals that people raise for food. Anytime a animals leaves your farm you would have to contact the database. For shows, slaughter etc.

I personally find this obsurd. Why is it our goverment refuses to test every cow for mad cow disease but it ok to pass this type of burden down on the small guys. This will of course be at our expense.

The usda does not plan to finalize its rules to establish mandatory ID until the summer of 2006. Wisconsin has started this already.

What can be done.

Animals owners should contact breed associations, organic and sustainable farming organizations, or general farming organizations and ask them to oppose NAIS. You can also write your federal and state legislators. You can find the contact info at www.firstgov.gov.

All of the above info came from this article. I wish there was a way to share it with you all.

Traci

 

[runamuk]

Yep I am all signed up and just recieved all of my info.....next I am waiting to hear on tagging for sheep.....and what type of software/scanners will be used along with microchips.......this was just discussed on the back porch and has been discussed many times..

I spoke with someone working with the program and it is a way of tracking origin of animals who may turn up diseased.......there are a number of benefits IMO.....and right now while in the testing stages it is free so I am getting in before it is finalized

And these magazines etc...keep blowing it way out of proportion...and I like countryside when I can find it

 

[minisaremighty]

You've got to be kidding me.

I've not heard about this. I will do further research on it to educate myself. In the meantime, I can say that if it is all so complicated as that, I most likely will find new homes for all my animals with the exception of my dogs.

I don't care for much government involvement and this seems a bit over the top. I'm not going to get riled up yet, until I know more.

 

[Shari]

http://stopanimalid.org/forum/index.php

http://www.stopanimalid.org/

 

[shminifancier]

That is just the start of things..Here is what is also coming to the horse world::

No one can regulate breeding, if a mare or stallion owner wants to breed that animal, they will. If that is what you are insinuating you are even more naive than I thought. The horse industry does not need any more regulation. Can you imagine if "the powers that be" decide that a horse can only be kept in a board fence, no wire of any kind? Or that only certain feeds are suitable? Or all horses have to be fed alfalfa? Or only registered horses can be bred? No matter that I've seen MANY registered horses that are walking conformational nightmares. Open up the industry to regulation and this, and more, is a step or two a way. No, we certainly do not need any additional regulation. As a small breeder of Warmblood Sport Horses I don't want any more headaches involved in breeding and shipping horses.

That is why this Bill Has to be stopped and stopped Now~!

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

October 25, 2005

Mr. ENSIGN (for himself, Ms. LANDRIEU, Mr. BYRD, Mr. SPECTER, Mr. LOTT, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. INOUYE, Mr. LEVIN, and Mr. DEMINT) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation

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A BILL

To amend the Horse Protection Act to prohibit the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of horses and other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Virgie S. Arden American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act'.

SEC. 2. PROHIBITION ON SHIPPING, TRANSPORTING, MOVING, DELIVERING, RECEIVING, POSSESSING, PURCHASING, SELLING, OR DONATION OF HORSES AND OTHER EQUINES FOR SLAUGHTER FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.

I will say this ANYTHING before that OR can and will be used against a person that is doing anything with there animals, It then would be a Field day for PETA to get there teeth into this IF Passed~! JHMO.

(a) Definitions- Section 2 of the Horse Protection Act (15 U.S.C. 1821) is amended--

(1) by redesignating paragraphs (1), (2), (3), and (4) as paragraphs (2), (3), (5), and (6), respectively;

(2) by inserting before paragraph (2) (as redesignated by paragraph (1)) the following:

`(1) The term `human consumption' means ingestion by people as a source of food.'; and

(3) by inserting after paragraph (3) (as redesignated by paragraph (1)) the following:

`(4) The term `slaughter' means the killing of 1 or more horses or other equines with the intent to sell or trade the flesh for human consumption.'.

(b) Findings- Section 3 of the Horse Protection Act (15 U.S.C. 1822) is amended--

(1) by redesignating paragraphs (1) through (5) as paragraphs (6) through (10), respectively;

(2) by adding before paragraph (6) (as redesignated by paragraph (1)) the following:

`(1) horses and other equines play a vital role in the collective experience of the United States and deserve protection and compassion;

`(2) horses and other equines are domestic animals that are used primarily for recreation, pleasure, and sport;

`(3) unlike cows, pigs, and many other animals, horses and other equines are not raised for the purpose of being slaughtered for human consumption;

`(4) individuals selling horses or other equines at auctions are seldom aware that the animals may be bought for the purpose of being slaughtered for human consumption;

`(5) the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the Department of Agriculture has found that horses and other equines cannot be safely and humanely transported in double deck trailers;'; and

(3) by striking paragraph (8) (as redesignated by paragraph (1)) and inserting the following:

(8) the movement, showing, exhibition, or sale of sore horses in intrastate commerce, and the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling donation in intrastate commerce of horses and other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, adversely affect and burden interstate and foreign commerce;

© Prohibition- Section 5 of the Horse Protection Act (15 U.S.C. 1824) is amended--

(1) by redesignating paragraphs (8) through (11) as paragraphs (9) through (12), respectively; and

(2) by inserting after paragraph 7 the following:

`(8) The shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of any horse or other equine to be slaughtered for human consumption.'.

(d) Authority to Detain- Section 6(e) of the Horse Protection Act (15 U.S.C. 1825(e)) is amended--

(1) by striking the first sentence of paragraph (1);

(2) by redesignating paragraphs (1) and (2) and as paragraphs (2) and (3), respectively; and

(3) by inserting before paragraph (2) (as redesignated by paragraph (2)) the following:

`(1) The Secretary may detain for examination, testing, or the taking of evidence--



`(A) any horse at any horse show, horse exhibition, or horse sale or auction that is sore or that the Secretary has probable cause to believe is sore; and

`(B) any horse or other equine that the Secretary has probable cause to believe is being shipped, transported, moved, delivered, received, possessed, purchased, sold, or donated in violation of section 5(8).'.

(e) Authorization of Appropriations- Section 12 of the Horse Protection Act (15 U.S.C. 1831) is amended by striking `$500,000' and inserting `$5,000,000'.

 

[auledasacres]

Thank you Kathy for your input. I am outraged at this. I could understand it if it were really meant to track animals for food. But since our goverment refuses to test all cows for mad cow disease but can implement this is terrible.

It isn't about just food. It is about the government knowing every birth at your home from your livestock, every sale, etc. If that isn't invasion of a person privacy what is. It is about big brother knowing every move you make with your livestock. Breeding, selling, stud service, etc.

If this was for the safety of all people than you would think it would start with the meat facilities that are putting food on thousands of people plates everyday. But it doesn't start there, they are not required to test for the safety of people.

This is simple a way to get information from people about there private farms and businesses.

It purely and simple takes away our freedom to move about and enjoy our animals without asking permission from our government.

Sorry to ramble, this has really just struck a cord with me.

Traci

 

[chandab]

I was just discussing something similar with my MIL today. She contacted the local vet about micro-chipping her dashound for safety sake. You won't believe what they told her...

The vet's office doesn't offer this service (they don't have the chips or the scanners) and told her that people who really care about their animals don't let them get away.

Most people don't plan for things like this to happen, but dogs do get stolen, they do get out of fences and etc.

So, I don't imagine large scale animal IDing will happen around here too quickly.

 

[auledasacres]

http://stopanimalid.org/forum/index.php
http://www.stopanimalid.org/

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Shari terrific web sites. Thanks so much I will be passing them on to others whom are also outraged at this in my community.

Traci

 

[runamuk]

Here we go again....

OK this in my eyes is the same as registering and dna'ing animals

participating in scrapie program which is basically the same disorder in sheep as mad cow is in cows

or requiring licensing of dogs/cats in town

in fact right now I could put 2 different tags in my sheeps ears......with this new program I will put 1 tag that has a micro chip in it that I can track my sheeps vetting lambing scrapie id personal id etc...then with a quick scan into a hand held I can walk to my office plug in and load all that info .....when the vet comes he quick scans the tag and pow there is every bit of data collected about that sheep right there...............of course there will be downsides in implementing and getting it off the ground......the horses goats and alternative stock still don't even have a definite type of chip.....it is in testing stages right now for sheep and cattle Idaho is only doing cattle implementation at the moment.......and yes it will take years and years to get it completely underway as people who don't want to participate will make themselves harder to track down...of course they will eventually run into problems selling at sales or to slaughter buyers........

here is a link to the actual program not propaganda

NAIS program

 

[auledasacres]

Our government is not testing all cows. Say they make 100,000lb of ground beef to be sold. They may test 10 of those cows. All the meat is mixed in together. There is no way to track down which cow infected the 100,000lbs of beef unless every cow was tested before slaughter. This is not being done on a commerical level why is it they think it needs to be mandatory for the small farmer.

If our govenment can't take the responsibility why is it all of us have to pay the price.

This isn't about just food supply, this is about freedom to raise, breed, love, enjoy our animals weither they are horses, chickens. etc.

I will shut up.

Traci

 

[shminifancier]

I agree with rabbit Up To a Point:: I am more concerned about things like this that affects horse more then the ID stuff..But in saying that the National ID thingy should not be for someone that has pets as it is going to,,, NOR should it be necessary to registered a Family cow or back yard family pet cow. Or Pet horse as far as that goes. If at some time that animal is processed it would be THAT Family eating that back yard cow and should would not be going into the nation food chain.....So I am starting to change my thinking on this IDing thingy for ALL animals.

 

[runamuk]

Our government is not testing all cows.  Say they make 100,000lb of ground beef to be sold.  They may test 10 of those cows. All the meat is mixed in together.  There is no way to track down which cow infected the 100,000lbs of beef unless every cow was tested before slaughter.  This is not being done on a commerical level why is it they think it needs to be mandatory for the small farmer. 
If our govenment can't take the responsibility why is it all of us have to pay the price.

This isn't about just food supply, this is about freedom to raise, breed, love, enjoy our animals weither they are horses, chickens. etc. 

I will shut up.

Traci

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actually you go ahead........

It is high time I just quit trying to use reason and logic and common sense...seeing as how all of that appears to be gone for good......I am a very small beginning farmer who is going for organic certification on a 1/2 shoestring budget....and that is proving to me that in order to farm or do horses or do anything one must be rich........Personally I am seriously thinking of just disappearing....now how to fake my own death and fall off the earth

 

[shminifancier]

This should not IMHO be for animals that are not part of the food chain~!!,, case in point, Horses, Llamas, ALL Equines for that matter, donkeys, mules, zebras, etc..~!!!

This ID is for ALL animals and chickens, ducks, geese, etc. not just horses but all the others I have mentioned above.

 

[runamuk]

This should not IMHO be for animals that are not part of the food chain~!!,, case in point, Horses, Llamas, ALL Equines for that matter, donkeys, mules, zebras, etc..~!!!  This ID is for ALL animals and chickens, ducks, geese, etc. not just horses but all the others I have mentioned above.

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zoonoses....cross species diseases..anthrax..foot and mouth.....bird flu

 

[shminifancier]

Horses do not get foot and mouth, And You do not Eat horses anyway. And the heck with the people in Europe who eat horse meat, there is sooo many drugs that are given to horses anyway that say NOT for animals intended for food, Bute, and ALL the other drugs given to horses don't stop the People over there from eating horses so WHY should they care anyway if there is an ID system....And that is why is should not be required for Non Food Animals... and the bird flu IMO is WAY over blown then it should be..

 

[runamuk]

Horses do not get foot and mouth,  And You do not Eat horses anyway. And the heck with the people in Europe who eat horse meat, there is sooo many drugs that are given to horses anyway that say NOT for animals intended for food, Bute, and ALL the other drugs given to horses don't stop the People over there from eating horses so WHY should they care anyway if there is an ID system....And that is why is should not be required for Non Food Animals... and the bird flu IMO is WAY over blown then it should be..

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interesting

but NAIS is something to blow out of proportion.......

cloven footed animals get foot and mouth...how about brucellosis.....etc....it isn't just human health it has to do with tracking potentially devastating diseases to other animals and food sources.......ok so for horses how about VS and strangles sure would be nice to get a heads up on where it came from and has been to attempt to stop the spread.........

 

[shminifancier]

Well like I said at first for about 2 years now I have been this ID thing...I have read all 32 pages on the site...and it is scary what the final ending of the program in 2008 will be...Transporting horse or Others as far as that goes goes More then 50 miles will be regulated and things like this that are just now getting into the spot light.. This is just plain no good IMHO and these chips can not saying they will But CAN have GPS tracking in them at that time..And people think On Star is soooo good arrrggg You can't go anyplace with that On Star knowing where you are..and who is watching the monitor...We Just do not need Big Brother this close to be taken over us... GPS Receivers are already in many food products that program on labels is called IFID tags and companies know when, where and how much you bought of there products...

So this and Many other programs are coming under home Land Security No not here in the USA...

 

[runamuk]

Well like I said at first for about 2 years now I have been this ID thing...I have read all 32 pages on the site...and it is scary what the final ending of the program in 2008 will be...Transporting horse or Others as far as that goes goes More then 50 miles will be regulated and things like this that are just now getting into the spot light.. This is just plain no good IMHO  and these chips can not saying they will  But CAN have GPS tracking in them at that time..And people think On Star is soooo good  arrrggg  You can't go anyplace with that On Star knowing where you are..and who is watching the monitor...We Just do not need Big Brother this close to be taken over us... GPS Receivers are already in many food products  that program on labels is called  IFID tags and companies know when, where and how much you bought of there products...
So this and Many other programs are coming under home Land Security  No not here in the USA...

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So first we tick and whine about how horses are slaughtered then it is all about the conditions of transport...now when something comes along that just might make enforcement possible we are going to whine about violation of our freedoms....sorry but if you truly believe we are still free in this nation...you are delusional....and we cannot have our cake and eat it to....and we already lost most of our freedoms when we allowed taxation to take place for the good of god knows what........so like everything else either fight a losing battle or join them...me personally I would rather knowingly and willingly go in with my eyes wide open but not fight something that will be a losing battle......

 

[shminifancier]

I am not going to argue on here about freedom we still can travel from State to State without showing Papers...But as more and more of THESE kind of programs are out into place we are NOT that far away..And we still have our Guns~!! But that may come to end also if more and more of THESE kind of regs are Put into place. case closed..

 

[runamuk]

I am not going to argue on here about freedom  we still can travel from State to State without showing Papers...But as more and more of THESE kind of programs are out into place we are NOT that far away..And we still have our Guns~!! But that may come to end also if more and more of THESE kind of regs are Put into place. case closed..

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Actually it is far from closed......not unlike our borders.....I was raised to live outside the system.....and where did it get me....no where.....so I am learning that you must play the game to get anywhere in this free country.....I hate games..but I am learning to play......and I am teaching my kids that as well so when they hit the real world they aren't so shocked.......

oh and actually you can't travel state to state with stock without papers

so we are already there.....

as for guns if it is used for hunting fine but anything meant to hunt people should be banned in my opinion...this would include all those fully auto things