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But I do worry about the constant negativity lately on the forum.
Just my opinion, but I do not see constant negativity on the forum lately, or at any of the other times it's been "reported" in the past. It's all about perception and with so many people participating every day in discussions, some people are bound to be more "up beat" than others. That's just how the world is really. But, I notice a lot of people take a difference of OPINION as someone being negative, and in some cases even as a personal insult. It's cah-ray-zee....
 
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I love showing, thats why I was so dissapointed when I had no one to show against in my H/J classes. I dont care if I win, just like some people who like to do the same thing. Kathy
 
I agree with Jill. Many seem to take differences in opinion as negative posting. These things need to be discussed and brought out in the open. Sometimes I feel we are too limited in what we can say or how we say it here. Many seem to know which breeders and/or trainers are "cheating", but us little guys don't know who they are. Some say that they would never buy a horse from so and so (no names mentioned of course). The rest of us sit here and wonder, who that person is. Who is knowingly breeding dwarves, who is cheating to get an over horse into an under class, what national champions are really over 34"??? I want to know who to stay away from, but there is no way to find out here as no one names names. We discuss everything else about the mini horse business here with the exception of who the dishonest breeders/trainers are. If you're not "in the know" then you run the risk of throwing your hard earned money away buying a horse or hiring a trainer with dishonest practices. I want to know who to stay away from, but there is no way I'll ever find out on this forum.
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Sorry, Kay!!! I am hoping to maybe show for the very first time in 08 at some local shows. Maybe!!!
 
I am not going to be one to say, "I don't care if we win or not - we are just going to go & have fun"........ It is hard work & it takes a lot of time & money to get that horse to the show ring & we want to win/place if that is how it should be.... We don't mind being beaten by a better horse but when it is obvious (sometimes) that the horse in front of yours is not better, yes it does matter...This has happened to us lots of times since 1986 when Lee started showing our horses... Overall we are mostly satisfied and we are like the energizer bunny & keep on going....................... If you consistently get the gate, then either your horses or your style must be reevaluated.. If you know you have a good horse then go on & show it & work on improving if you need to... If you think your horse is just so so & still want to try, then go do it - then if you decide you like to show but want to win/place - look for a better horse..... Yes it can be fun but it can also be disheartening. You will never know though until you try it yourself. Every individual is different & every individual must find out for themselves.
 
To breed, raise and show Miniature Horses is my passion and world, smaller the better. I think, watch, talk, breath horses.

I would like to encouragee you all come to shows even as a visitor and just watch theses most beautiful horses in small. Visit as many farms you can talk to folks they are more then happy to talk about their horses. I could 24/7.......... with no end.

I am very proud of my own bred horses that I take:

All my nine 2007 foals to 2008 AMHA show string and no 50 wild mustangs keep me from that.

See you all at the shows !

Anita
 
I know it's hard not being able to name names, but think if the Forum turned into a free-for-all of complaints about who did what to whom and how and what they are doing that is bad.

Use your resources: a network of trusted friends in the "industry" can really save a lot of heartache. Look before you leap.

Yes, there are heinous things going on at higher levels, but it's up to us, the peons, to get together and decide what to do about it.

Liz M.
 
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I will have to say I started showing miniatures in 4-H along time ago..And for those of you who have knowledge about 4-H, know that they teach you its not all about winning. I was the only horse crazed kid in my family. I actually bought my mare without my parents even knowing
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To me ribbons and winning where icing on the cake. There's some forum members that might remember showing with me back in those days. WPSELLWOOD is one of those families I learned so much from who I became quite close to. I still look up to them til this day
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I know for me it wasn't until recently when I got into showing breed shows. I showed all breeds and did amazing with that.. For those people who are discouraged right now with all the controversary (sp?) going on..Forget about it...Go out there and have fun...People are going to talk no matter where you go but I have learned to put a smile on and keep on trucking. That seems to get the best of some people. I enjoy showing and there's nothing better than meeting new people, talking with old friends and of course shopping. I love every aspect of showing. I know I am not the best but one day we all get our chance to shine in our own way. I had a blast this past year even though I only made it out 3 shows and one of those up here in WA...It was all due to being pregnant too. I know I can't wait to show this coming up season now that I have my daughter and I can focus. So for all those people who knew me when I was pregnant ...Get ready to see the newest member of Prestige Miniature Horses...Alexis will be there
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The decision to start showing our horses was very positive for our family. My husband is busy and works a lot during the week and my kids are all involved in school and different sports and activities and our minis bring us all together again at home AND at shows and is something we all love and enjoy together. Going off to horse shows for us means packing up kids, horses, toys, equipment, etc. and for the entire weekend we are doing something as a family. It is hectic during the day when we are showing, but we do other stuff at shows too. Socialize with friends we've made, watch movies together, cook out, go out to dinner, play games and lots of other fun stuff - and having our whole family crammed inside our living quarters for the weekend means we are really TOGETHER!

Aside from taking lessons once in a while from a trainer we do everything ourselves and we all set personal goals to meet for certain shows. I'm a competitive person too and want to be able to set goals to achieve. I'm like that in real life, not just with the horses. If I am going to start jogging for exercise I need a goal so I'll train for a marathon or if I want to do photography I will want work on my skills and try to take amazing pictures and enter a contest that I will want to win but at the end of the day no matter what the activity is what I will remember from the experience is how I personally felt I did and acomplished and learned not what a judge saw on that certain day and how they placed me. There are times at shows I've won that I wasn't so sure I deserved it because I felt I could have done better and there are times I've lost and felt I did everything perfect and couldn't change a thing or do any better.

I am not going to lie and say "I don't care if we win or not" because we do work hard and put time and money in to our horses and it would be totally disheartening and discouraging if we were not placing or winning with our horses sometimes, but if we were not also having a lot of fun and doing something together as a family and I didn't think we were learning something good from all of this then we wouldn't be doing it.

My kids are learning other things too that carry over to other aspects of their lives -- goal setting, work ethic, perseverence, strength of character, success, confidence, believing in themselves, etc. etc. etc.

When my kids talk to people about going to horse shows or tell stories that start with "remember when....." they don't talk about ribbons and awards they have won, they talk about all the fun behind the scenes and fun stuff they did -- playing in the dirt with their cars and trucks, playing with their "horse show friends", etc. and except for really significant events (like when our son beat both my husband and I in a driving class) a lot of times at the end of the day they can't even remember their placings and which ribbon was theirs.

I'm not going to get in to the politics of horse shows and trainers and judges or whatever because that isn't why Kay started this post. She is trying to remind everyone to stay positive and not give up.

HERE ARE TWO STORIES THAT I THINK RELATE -- I WILL TRY TO MAKE THEM AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE.

In July of 2004 we went to our first mini horse show ever. My daughter who was 9 at the time was so excited to jump her mini and they are worked really hard at home and she thought she was ready. At that show in both hunter and jumper she got DQ'd for refusals and didn't get past the 1st or 2nd jump in either class. She was heartbroken and huddled sobbing in the corner and was so disapointed in herself.

In June of 2005 we went to the World Pinto Show and they didn't have any Youth Jumper classes so she begged us to let her jump that horse in Open Jumper. She was the only child in the class and WON. She believed in herself and her horse an worked really hard and less than a year later won a World Championship.

This year at AMHR Nationals the first class of the day was Youth Hunter. She entered with that same horse and was sure this was her year because in 2005 they got 3rd place, in 2006 they got 2nd place and she was sure this year they get first because she had worked really hard and felt ready. We were all thrilled when she was announced as National Champion...she got her awards, got her picture taken and they continued announcing placings. Everyone got confused when she was announced again as 7th place. We thought maybe they meant our son who had jumped another horse in the class and we went up to the announcer. They judges came over and looked at all the cards and an announcement was made that there had been a mistake and the real winner was Sawyer with our horse Magic and Samantha was 7th with Rumor. She went from experiencing one of the most thrilling moments of her life to one of the most devastating she had ever experienced and had to hand over all of her awards to her brother. She completely fell apart (can you blame her?) and was so upset and emotional we didn't know if she could pull herself back together again to show in any other classes. She managed to compose herself and even congratulated her brother and did continue to show and the last class of the day was Youth Jumper and she and that same horse wound up winning the class with the fastest clean jumping round by 2 or 3 seconds.



MORAL OF THE STORY....WHAT KAY IS TRYING TO SAY......everything happens for a reason and don't get discouraged or give up on something if it is really important to you.

I've got all sorts of stories to tell that are like that......want one more?

Our horse Magic is a great jumper but never learned to drive and he seemed like he wanted to. He would stand at the fence and watch us when we drove our other horses. We decided to put him in training with a trainer for a couple of months and he was really (REALLY) slow to figure it all out and was a very difficult horse for the trainer to work with. I'm pretty sure he has horse ADHD as it is -- he is always hyper and has a very short attention span. He came back home without having even progressed beyond groundwork. We kept working with him and I pretty much was ready to give up on him but my husband believed in him and thought he'd be a great roadster horse and the next year we kept working with him and the first few shows we drove him at he'd get nervous and scared and forget everything he'd worked on at home. Twice my husband tried to drive him through the gate for roadster class and he went halfway through and literally froze in his tracks staring at the ring and the other horses and couldn't move and had to have someone lead him back out of the gate. He kept improving though and he and my husband were a great match/team and this year they won several Roadster Stakes classes at shows during the season and then at Nationals they won the Open Roadster class. I was thrilled for them because I know how hard they both worked to get there.

ANYWAY....my post is too long already but I hope I at least was able to contribute something to support what Kay was trying to say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
Sanny I could just kiss you! Thank you for your post and NO it is not too long and YES thats what Im talking about!!

And thanks to everyone else that posted in a positive way
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Absolutely no discouragement here; we have had our beginnings in big horses, raising different “breeds” (using the term correctly and in proper context). There have been issues in every single breed and/or type of horses we have been in. It just comes with the territory.

I just started showing recently in Miniatures, and the recent letters/threads/events will never have an impact on my having a good time at any horse show nor will it deter or subtract from my respect for breeders and horse handlers, professional and amateur alike. If I am disappointed in anything it is the verbiage used recently when describing others either showing or more specifically measuring. To me there has been a bit of unprofessional behavior in that regard, especially for a VERY PUBLIC forum.

Regardless, does it affect my wanting to go into the show ring? HECK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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When I do see threads like this, I can't help but feel there's a good number of people who will be thinking "Wow, I didn't know it was so bad some people were thinking about not showing because of it." And, of course, I know that's not the intention of the OP, but I do think that what I said does happen with these types of threads. Hopefully, if so, they have seen that there aren't any people who enjoy showing that have any intentions of stopping, and that there's a lot new to it and excited to start
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And, I cannot wait until Spring 2008
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I think we were getting a little off subject and thanks Sanny for bringing it back. Well said. I have showed for some 40 odd years and am coming to the end of my showing days. The hardest part of giving it up is the bittersweet memories of looking back to all the positive influences showing has had in my life. As the horse crazy kid who spent every spare minute running down to the stable at the end of the street to the day I owned my very first horse. Spending hours riding all over the countryside, learning the lessons of responsibility in caring for something besides myself and God knows, I could have gotten into a lot of trouble if it hadn't been for the love of a horse.

I started out at local open shows and learned how to set goals with my horse in training, perfecting and ultimately winning. These skills have carried over into my adult life, in every aspect, and I think we forget this sometimes. I have not only learned how to be a gracious loser but also a gracious winner. As far as the judge goes, it is one persons opinion on one given day and I am not going to give up everything I have worked hard for because I can probably find 10 judges who agree with me. If it is the other way around then maybe I need to make some changes. That is also a life lesson.

On this forum we have the "newbies" who are excited to have their first horse to the "oldies" who have reached the rarified air of world show competition. In between there is an unlimited area to show your horse and find your comfort zone. World show competition is not for everyone and at some point, small or open shows are not going to be enough for others.

The friendships I have made along the way are priceless. It is the social aspect of showing- making friends, supporting each other, learning new things, helping others that I will miss the most. The classes I remember most are the ones that maybe didn't win or place well, but the teamwork with my horse that reached a new level. It's not always about the ribbon.

And I remember when it did become about the ribbon. I have had my share of world show level competition and national recognition but I didn't start there but worked my way up the ranks from open shows to breed shows, regionally to national level. I have seen more than my share of politics and chose to show where it is kept to a minimum. It's out there if you look for it.

Personal goals with our horses should be the main focus and not judging others harshly if goals differ. Just remember the glow on a young child's face when they win a ribbon, even if it is last place.
 
There are more shows out there than just breed shows. Trying driving shows, join a driving club, do a little driven dressage, etc. Miniatures are competitive at open shows at the local level in halter, showmanship, color. Breed shows are great and I enjoy the horses and people, but they are not the only place you can show. Go out and have fun. Your horse is always the best anyway!
 
I've only been showing the minis for a few years now. My friend(wcr) had been showing on the Pinto circuit(first with big horses, then with minis) and I started going with her just to help out. Now I've got a herd of 14 and am into breeding and showing....and have a blast! I have met so many wonderful people! I have also met some "not so wonderful", but the good ones far surpass the bad. Just a reminder that there are many different venues to show in....AMHR, AMHA, Pinto, CDE's, open shows......many even have mini classes now!

Soooooo, find your "nitch" and have some fun.
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Oh Sanny you stories and the choice are extremely heartfelt on this end. I enjoyed reading your post 100%. Very touching I must say.

I also wanted to add that with all the time and money I put into my 2 I certainly would love to win or place. However, we all know that doesn't happen all the time. Atleast I can say I went in and tried and to go home and reevaluate what I did before and make changes or work even harder. Those were the other things I learned
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Very good point about open shows!!!! It's been awhile since I've done them, but oh my gosh they ar fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And such a good way to show other horse people how awesome miniature horses are
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There are more shows out there than just breed shows. Trying driving shows, join a driving club, do a little driven dressage, etc. Miniatures are competitive at open shows at the local level in halter, showmanship, color. Breed shows are great and I enjoy the horses and people, but they are not the only place you can show. Go out and have fun. Your horse is always the best anyway!
 
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Well we picked up Scotty and got home late last night (he is now an official driving mini...HU-RAY) John and I got to drive him yesterday He is really green and I have to learn NOT to be so heavy on the hands...lightly...lightly. Anywho I am so excited. We even got to drive a very NICE experienced show mini & see the difference in how they react(EYE OPENER)
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That was even neater. I am letting him rest today and just be a horse. We sure did miss him those two months. So I will keep you guys updated as the saga of SNOTTY SCOTTY & me begins (me thinks I may be asking alot of questions)
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Congratulations on Scotty!!! This is the most fun time of year to have a driving mini
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I dont post much, and I will admit I did post once about not purchasing a better show horse due to all the politics. I have shown regionally at A and R shows with a gelding that I trained to drive and it is FUN!! I met lots and lots of great people, and learned tons!! I was thinking and am still thinking of getting a much much better horse to campaign for Worlds and Nationals the thought of anyone wanting to discredit me or my horse, threaten to hurt my horse or even just harrass me or the horse because they may not win a ribbon or trophy does kinda make me stop and think.

Tammy
 
Tammy, I just went to the AMHR Nationals with my horse, Mountain Meadows Tymeless Flirt, for the first time this year. You can see a montage of my memory photos here: http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/amyla...tionals2007.flv I can say that, although it is a lot of stress due to the expense, distance, amount of time, etc., it was one of the highlights of my entire life. I had so much fun. We performed well without placing in some classes, and in others we were recognized and rewarded for our efforts. Overall, we came home with two National Top Tens in Amateur Versatility (8th), Sr. Halter Mares 32-34" (9th), and a Reserve National Championship in Country Pleasure Driving, Mares. What a thrill! I am totally addicted. Please don't let any of the negativity rob you of the opportunity to have the kind of fun that going to the Nationals could bring you. Not to mention the pride and joy of getting to that point and doing well. One of the classes that I didn't place in actually was a true standout for me. My mare was trotting along just as smooth as a Swiss timepiece, and Mark Bullington's music choice just fit so well. I was just filled with the most wonderful feeling, I can't even really explain it. I hope you give it a try.
 

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