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Charlotte

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As I said in another post, we live in a sand box. We've never had a 'sand colic' that I am aware of, but I have had problems caused by sand such as weight loss and soft manure. So I feed a psyllium product 7 days out of each month. I've used everything from the human generic Metamucil (which didn't seem to work very well) to various equine products.

My problem is....Each time I give a course of psyllium I have one or two impaction colics! Not any severe fortunately, but sometimes requiring banamine once or twice. I'm starting to think the cure is almost worse than the problem! I am down to using only 1/2 of the recommended dosage per body weight of horse.

Has anyone experienced such as this? If so, how did you manage your horses to clear out sand?

Marty mentioned a study showing soaked beet pulp to be beneficial for sand removal. Does anyone use this?

Any help appreciated

Charlotte
 
we, too, live in a sand box. i have had my big gelding out here for 10 years w/o a single instance of sand colic. my first mini has been here almost 2 years with no problems. my most recent mini has had all KINDS of problems. today is day 7 of "sand clear" for him and his manure has firmed up to normal. he did not experience any sort of colic while on this treatment, at least not to my knowledge.

i have my big gelding and my first mini on the metamucil-7-day-out-of-each-month treatment but have only been doing that for a couple of months now. i have not tried the beet pulp but am doing lots of reading to see if that might be the way for me to go.

i wish i could ASTROTURF my entire dry lot!!! :eek:
 
We also live in a sand box and this has happened to me before...it's scary. I always make sure they have plenty of clean, fresh water when I am using de-sanding products and have also put mineral oil in their feed to keep things moving (Metamucil or Sand Clear in the a.m. feed and mineral oil in the p.m. feed). Some tend to have more problems than others, though.
 
I have been using the generic brand from walmart which is called Fiber Therapy, I mix it with there grain but I do use soaked beet pulp to make the stuff cling, they would not eat it just on the grain, now they eat it up, plus I have been using soaked beet pulp for my mini's since I have owned them, pain in the butt but it helps stick the flax to it so they don't waste that.

So my formula is grain, {{Amish made}} flax,soaked beet pulp and a tablespoon of loose mineral with seledium, so far so good, I will give the mini's a treatment also after I finish the 7 days with the big ones.

I believe any horse who eats off the ground, which can not be helped if they are on dry lot, will get some kind of sand in ther gut at one point, so I do beet pulp and flax all the time.

I have {{Knock on wood}} had no colic problems as yet.

Hope that helps.

Jan
 
I feed it 2 to 3 days a week depending on the time of year. i live where there is lots of sand the vet recommends it weekly because waiting to do it one a month can cause these problems.Kathy
 
I feed it 2 to 3 days a week depending on the time of year. i live where there is lots of sand the vet recommends it weekly because waiting to do it one a month can cause these problems.Kathy
That is exactly what I was going to say if you have very sandy conditions which only add to the issue that those of us with dry lots have anyway... I would feed something either daily or every other day ect.... i wouldnt wait for a months worth to collect and then try and clear it I am just guessing but maybe they have so much it is what is causing the impactions as it trys to pass???
 
I live 5 miles from the bay(guess this area was under water millions of years ago) and some of my paddock areas even have little sand dunes when the wind blows.I am thinking your guys may be really full of sand.I would have your vet tube with oil to clear them out.My regimine is NO FEED OR HAY ON THE GROUND. All feed is in buckets or troughs and all hay is in racks or hay bags. I also use heated buckets in winter. I use EQUUS brand which smells like licorice and horses will eat it with nothing added.Every time mine eat ,they get EQUUS.(half feed-half EQUUS)I buy it from Country Supply 300 lbs at a time.In spite of all preventatives I still have an occassional sand problem, but not like previously(8 with sand colic in a winter snow storm).Then off to the vet we got for a good lube job.Good luck-it is not fun.
 
Knock on wood, I haven't had problems feeding sand clear (7 days per month) to our minis, but our big horse - the one who had 30 feet of his small intestines removed in 2 separate colic surgeries - did colic on the sand clear. I stopped giving it to him after the second time (slow learner!), because he really isn't on the sand now that the minis use the sand ring for turnout and he doesn't have access to it. I do not feed anyone in the sandy area, and feed only on mats. One mat is outdoors but the rest are under an overhang (or in stalls). I also give soaked beet pulp to most (but not all) of the minis twice a day with their grain (low carb). They also get a daily wormer and vitamins. They probably do pick up some sand this time of year when they snatch up any leaves that blow into their area before I can rake them up!
 
Thanks everyone for your experiences. All of our feed is given in bunks or buckets or feeders, BUT they drop some on the ground and nose around in the DEEP sand looking for bits. I'm getting ready to mat my run in sheds like my stalls are but the horses out on pasture pull up the bermuda runners and of course those are covered with sand. There is just no way to avoid it.

At least now I know others have had some problems feeding sand removal products. I'm not just imagining it.

Charlotte
 
I am also beside myself about the drought and all the sand we have. It looks like the beach here!!!

I use metamucil.... however have had a lot of trouble latley while using it... with gas problems. I think its because I am so freaked out over the sand, that I am heavy handed with the metamucil, giving too much and the horses are having gas problems from it.
 
I don't have a lot of experience with sand colic, but I do have a two miniatures who occasionally eat dirt :eek: (I think they do it just to irritate me) so I've been giving them some soaked beet pulp every night mixed with their grain, and once a week I put a couple tablespoons of "powdered psyllium seed husk" on top and mix it in. I get this from Frontier Herbs via my food coop. My beasties eat this stuff better than sand clear or other pellets, as long as it's mixed in with the beet pulp. Knock on wood, it seems to help, and there's not that "reaction" you sometimes see when you do the once-a-month regimen.

Oh, and I've read (and been told by the vet) that psyllium becomes less useful if you feed it every day, because the horses' intestinal bacteria adapt to it over time and "learn" to digest it, so it doesn't move through the gut and "collect" the sand any more...

Just my 2 cents...
 
Horse Journal recently had an article regarding Psyllium. It stated it could cause stomach upset. I know its easy to just mix it into feed for 7 days but after reading this article I would test first BEFORE giving it.
 
Oh, and I've read (and been told by the vet) that psyllium becomes less useful if you feed it every day, because the horses' intestinal bacteria adapt to it over time and "learn" to digest it, so it doesn't move through the gut and "collect" the sand any more...
An equine surgeon at one of the local vet clinics told me something similar some years back. He told me that giving one large dose once a week was a lot more effective to pick up sand than a small dose several days a week. That's what I try to do here.

I haven't had any noticeable colics or digestive upsets after feeding psyllium and I've been using it for years.
 
Debby, what I see is...horse produces no manure overnight and is off feed in the morning. I begin giving oil and water, electrolytes and periodic walking and horse begins producing manure in a few hours but I keep on 'colic' treatment for 24+ hours. Some require banamine and some are just 'off', but not real painful.

I consider no manure production to be impaction.

Charlotte
 
It's been a while since I have posted much on the forum but this is an excellent article from The Horse, which is AAEP sponsored, presented this summer on colic and I thought it was appropriate for this thread.

Colic: Updates and Prevention

by: Nancy S. Loving, DVM

October 07 2007, Article # 10551

At the Healthy Horse Workshop held in Ft. Collins, Colo., on July 28, Nancy Loving, DVM, who owns Loving Equine Clinic in Boulder, Colo., addressed the audience of horse owners on the subject of colic. Her emphasis was on the importance of colic to all horse owners.

Citing statistics from the National Animal Health Monitoring System (NAHMS) survey, she noted that one farm out of every 10 will have about 2% of its horses experiencing colic. Also, 15% of fatalities in horses older than 30 days of age are attributable to colic. Her presentation focused on prevention methods to help horse owners keep their animals from becoming a part of these statistics, while also describing appropriate strategies to manage colic if it does occur.

Signs that indicate that a horse might be in abdominal distress include depression or anxiety-related behaviors like pawing, the horse looking at his sides, lying down, getting up, rolling, or displaying a general state of distress. A thorough veterinary examination helps determine the cause of these behaviors and also rules out other medical conditions such as tying-up, laminitis, pneumonia, or foaling difficulties.

An owner should collect information about a sick horse's vital signs and communicate this information to the veterinarian to expedite prompt medical attention.

There are myths related to colic treatment, such as needing to walk a colicky horse while awaiting arrival of the vet. A horse should be kept walking only if he persists in trying to roll or thrash and is a danger to itself or humans. A horse that lies quietly can be allowed to do so. Loving has found over the years that when it is first noticed that a horse has colic, it is valuable to trot him vigorously on the longe line for about 15 minutes to see if that will ease pain from a gas or spasmodic colic, keeping in mind that a horse with a muscloskeletal problem might not be amenable to forced exercise.

A trailer ride has been known to jiggle the bowel to achieve similar relief for a simple colic.

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDs) such as phenylbutazone (Bute) or Banamine should not be given until first discussing your horse's case with your veterinarian. These drugs are capable of masking the pain of a surgical condition and might delay appropriate treatment. In addition, a horse with intestinal stasis and poor motility might not absorb oral medications sufficiently to provide a therapeutic advantage when intravenous administration would work better.

A veterinarian will perform a thorough physical exam and implement medical therapy and pain relief. In some cases, treatment might include administration of ample IV fluids to increase fluid volume in the bowel; over-hydration of the intestinal tract and its circulation improves blood flow and motility that might relieve an impaction or return a mild displacement to normal.

In the event that a horse does not respond to medical therapy in a reasonable time, the horse should be shipped to a referral hospital for further diagnostic workup and possible surgery. Abdominal ultrasound, abdominal fluid analysis, and blood analysis are helpful to perform at a referral hospital to gain as much information as possible about your horse's condition. In addition, precautionary steps will be taken to protect against laminitis, a possible side effect of severe colic.

Preventing colic is better than treating colic. Many current colic prevention strategies counter what has previously been believed as the "way" of administering horse care. Research and science have proven that what has been done in decades past is counterproductive to the best management practices for equine intestinal health.

Practical measures rely on altering feeding practices; for example, limiting the amount of grain fed--too much grain is known to disturb intestinal health. A pound or two a day is not necessarily problematic provided a horse also has access to 15-20 pounds of hay per day (for the average 1,000-pound horse), but in general, grain or concentrates should not be the first choice in nutritional options. Optimal fiber digestion occurs in the large intestine, but grain is processed mostly in the small intestine, yet it is incompletely digested there. This results in passage of excess starch into the large intestine, where it is poorly processed, thereby creating an environment that kills normal intestinal bacteria, with the potential to release endotoxin into the circulation.

Grain also amplifies acid production in the stomach, increasing the likelihood of development of gastric ulcers, especially when horses are fasted for long periods between feedings. A horse with ulcers might suffer intermittent bouts of colic, or might be reluctant to work or is lackluster in performance.

Another common sign of ulcers is poor appetite in spite of weight loss. Ulcers occur in up to 93% of highly stressed horses (racehorses, high-level show horses) and 60% of average riding horses or less-intense show horse.

Risk factors for ulcers include stress of any kind, such as transport, illness or injury, dehydration, confinement, or social competition in a herd. NSAIDs (phenylbutazone or Banamine) are notorious in their propensity to induce gastric ulcers.

Not all risk factors can be controlled, but offering free-choice hay and substituting grains with feeds such as soaked beet pulp, high-fat rice bran, or vegetable oil can reduce the risk of developing gastric ulcers.

Digestive efficiency can be altered by feeding. Grain ingestion reduces the fluid content of the bowel by 15%, and control of a horse's daily caloric intake means that a grain-supplemented horse is offered less hay. Yet, fiber is an essential component of intestinal health, and it also serves as a fluid reservoir in the bowel.

The common practices of keeping horses in stalls for a large portion of the day and feeding large meals only twice a day wreaks havoc with digestive health; stall confinement increases the risk of colic by at least 50%. Intestinal motility is reduced by confinement and by fasting between large meals. With reduced intestinal motility comes the risk of impaction colic or gas distention.

The best strategy for minimizing colic is to offer free-choice grass hay so a horse can "graze" intermittently through the day, and to limit grain, while providing daily turnout and regular exercise.

Other causes of colic--such as sand ingestion--are often related to restricted access to hay. Restriction of fiber and/or boredom that induces a horse to nibble at scraps of hay and dirt increase risk of accumulation of sand in the bowel. The best prevention for sand colic is to feed ample hay, and when possible, use feeders (like large tractor tires) to confine the hay and keep it from being strewn across the ground. Many commercial feeders do not accomplish this end, so sand ingestion might not be prevented entirely--it is recommended to feed psyllium for a week each month to move through any sand that has collected.

Obesity and parasites also are risk factors for colic, but a conscientious owner can prevent and manage these concerns. A horse should be fed by weight, not volume, since the density of hay varies from bale to bale. Horses should be pastured on non-irrigated, dryland pasture when possible. If the only pasture option is a rich, irrigated field, then many problems, including obesity, can be avoided by fitting a horse with a grazing muzzle or by limiting turnout time. This prevents intake of highly fermentable, rich grass that can contribute to gas or spasmodic colic episodes.

Tapeworms have been identified to cause as many as 22% of spasmodic colic cases. Parasite control is managed with regular deworming schedules of the appropriate anthelmintics. Manure that is cleaned up at least twice a week limits development of other infective parasite larvae in areas where the horse might eat. Pasture rotation limits overgrazing and facilitates ultraviolet kill of remaining infective larvae.

Here is an ideal situation to minimize colic:

* Feed at least 60% of the daily ration as forage (hay or pasture);

* When possible, pasture in non-irrigated fields, and/or use a grazing muzzle to control weight and intake of rich forage;

* Limit grain to as little as possible; none is preferable;

* Substitute high-fat feeds and high-fiber feed for grain supplements when more calories are needed;

* Provide feeding systems that limit the intake of sand and dirt;

* Provide plenty of turnout and exercise each day;

* Provide clean, ice-free drinking water;

* Implement regular and frequent deworming programs for the herd;

* Implement a herd health program of preventive care;

* Minimize stress (transport, herd dynamics, housing, illness, injury) as much as possible.
 
Hi Charlotte the reason I asked and then didn't explain was I had to log off because of company coming, so sorry for my short post.

I wondered if the manure when it was finally passed started out as runny or watery and then was hard or dry indicative of and impaction?

I've found with an impaction usually some water gets through and the first to come out will be oily (if oiled) or wet cow patty type but then afterwards (if I really watch for it) they will pass some that is very dry.

The one thing I thought of is that it takes more than an afternoon for the matter we use to try to flush sand through them to get to where it would cause an impaction.

I have noticed problems such as you describe with mine but mine I have determined to be gas.

I do know that weight loss and runny stool are signs of sand in the gut.

With my horses I've found that since I've started 2 years ago feeding sloppy wet beet pulp I have had very few colic episodes but I've found that if I do use my Sand Clear I also give them Xtra strength Gas-X or I give them baking soda mixed with Mylanta and gatorade and the stomach distress mine would seem to have has stopped. I hope this helps, it is my experience.
 
You can check the stool for sand to see how much is in you horses. I've lived here for 12 yrs and I have 5 acres of pure sugar sand. My two QH's have never (knock on wood) had any problems but I had always used sand clear and had the vet oil them once a year. When I got the minis last year I started them on equi-aid. I thought all was well until the first "cold" night we had. One of my mini mares colicked. Doc came out and took care of her. He asked what I was using to combat the sand and I showed him and told him how much I was giving and how often and found out I wasn't giving them near enough or often enough.

I use the equi aid about every 5-7 days for 3 day intervals. I have a couple of mares that detest it in their feed so I break the dose down over both daily feedings for those 3 days. So far their stools look great and we've had no further troubles.

Also when You feed the psyllium product do you provide ample water? They need a LOT of water when on the psyllium.

Good luck to you. It gets so frustrating sometimes,
 
To encourage water intake when feeding psyllium I do feed it as a slurry (the consistency of between cake and pancake batter) so lots of water. We really soak the heck out of the pysillium (I usually give with Nutrena Senior, some beet pulp, salt and if it doesn't smell sweet maple syrup or molasses). Our horses slurp it up and usually are very messy looking, but they are getting water in with the pysillium/beet pulp and the salt makes them drink more water.

Psyllium can cause gas which may be what you are experiencing as horses will act like they are being killed with gas colic. Especially if they're given psyllium randomly. I had a filly that was on it for a month straight per the vet (she was a vacuum) with no ill effects.

A couple of option you can run by your vet for gas colic - nux vomica was given to our mini by our alt vet and it really helps pass gas. I've also tried infant gas drops on horses with so far no problems.
 

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