Rescue info please?

ChrystalPaths · Jan 19, 2007

I need a bit of info about rescuing. I was contacted in person,an elderly man, yesterday while I was with a client. I usually do not answer doors or phones while doing a session but this time the tap on my shoulder from my guides was more of a slap up side the head. Seems 3 minis need a home. Hay and all. Trouble is I remember these horses. They need a new home for sure. I'm going to see them hopefully today or tommorrow if the weather co-operates. Problem..they have had no shots, no vetting. Owner says they are healthy and fat. 2 1/2 yr old wild stallion (unreg), 5 1/2 yr old gelding (unreg) who drives (I know this guy, my daughter trained him years ago and he's a sweetie), and a 14 yr old mare (reg A) (who has run with the stallion unfortunately)I know her also. They want money, no freebie. Hay goes with, price for all 3 is rock bottom good BUT she won't or can't afford the coggins. A man has offered to take them to an auction in Pa soon. I don't have $700 so I could use a hand on how to proceed?

rabbitsfizz · Jan 19, 2007

They will need Coggins for the auction so he would be saving nothing???

Debs you cannot afford this- if he wants a good home for them- OK that is one thing, if he wants to sell them, that is another- the stallion is a liability, the gelding might be worth something, the mare also, - maybe.

Best I would offer is that he pays for all shots and you sell them for him- he pays all keep fees etc.

DO NOT GET SUCKED IN!!!

I for one am sick of people saying "he just needs a good home" and then asking market value-- as I said, do they want a god home or do they want to sell them????

Aargh, OK just call me Mrs Cranky- I am NOT having a good week!!

ChrystalPaths · Jan 19, 2007

Well we have high winds and no visability so I was unable to go today and tomorrow looks bad so the plan is Sunday. I don't plan to get sucked in Jane, no worries. I am pretty much trying to see what I can do to help. The stallion I agree is worth ?, the gelding is a beauty if he is in good shape all white, and the mare tho coming 14 was a very sweet thing. They have minimal shelter, free choice hay at least, water seems to be an issue but folks round here are limited cash wise..get the minis for the kids...kids lose interest and the mom isn't gonna do the work...same story different place. And there is an auction down there that doesn't fuss with coggins. :no: Guess I'll work on it alone.

kaykay · Jan 19, 2007

pls do be careful. i cant tell you how many times they change their mind when someone becomes interested and suddenly the price goes up. i would impress upon him that during winter unregistered horses dont even get a bid at auction especially unhandled stallions. And he will HAVE to pull a coggins at auction. let me know if you need me

CRERS · Jan 21, 2007

Depends on what state he is in on whether he has to pull a coggins or not - for instance, at New Holland in PA, most horses are run through with nothing at all, and it's up to the purchaser to have the coggins drawn at the sale. If you're not crossing state lines, you don't have to do anything - if you're crossing state lines as we do coming into Maryland, you have the attending vet at the auction pull the coggins, run it and then give you the paperwork which usually takes 1-2 hours, depending on how busy they are. Unfortunately, there are many, many people who don't pull a coggins and transport over state lines anyway.

At a sale we pull from in Maryland, horses have to have the coggins drawn, but there is no on-site vet or lab to get your results before you leave - they mail them to you. It is the responsibility of the seller to have it drawn in that instance, but for your other horses safety, strict quarantine is the best route until all is clear.

CRERS · Jan 21, 2007

Dimimore said:
I need a bit of info about rescuing. I was contacted in person,an elderly man, yesterday while I was with a client. I usually do not answer doors or phones while doing a session but this time the tap on my shoulder from my guides was more of a slap up side the head. Seems 3 minis need a home. Hay and all. Trouble is I remember these horses. They need a new home for sure. I'm going to see them hopefully today or tommorrow if the weather co-operates. Problem..they have had no shots, no vetting. Owner says they are healthy and fat. 2 1/2 yr old wild stallion (unreg), 5 1/2 yr old gelding (unreg) who drives (I know this guy, my daughter trained him years ago and he's a sweetie), and a 14 yr old mare (reg A) (who has run with the stallion unfortunately)I know her also. They want money, no freebie. Hay goes with, price for all 3 is rock bottom good BUT she won't or can't afford the coggins. A man has offered to take them to an auction in Pa soon. I don't have $700 so I could use a hand on how to proceed?

Forgot to add to the rest of my previous post, I apologize. The sale he is probably speaking of is New Holland - it is one of the biggest auction barns (high kill buyer attendance) on the east coast. Legally, he needs a coggins to transport over state lines, but if he does and doesn't get caught, this sale will accept his horses without a current coggins.

I wish I could help, but we are packed full for winter - you may want to let him know that it would probably be much more beneficial for him financially to lower his asking price and place the horses in good homes for much less. At this time, they can't give horses away at New Holland and with the last judgement handed down in Texas concerning the slaughter plants, prices will most likely be even lower than usual. My S.I.L. just pulled a gorgeously fantastic weanling TB filly for $30! Between that and the cost of gas/transport to get them there, he'll probably end up losing money.

A few months ago we attended a sale in Maryland - it was a special sale with only Miniatures/Ponies and none of us really thought we'd have to rescue anything as we were all told that at those types of sales the horses go very high. Well, good thing we brought the trailer anyway because they had weanlings going through and couldn't get bids up to $40! They had a pair of phenominal black registered mini geldings that drove beautifully (man had the cart hooked up and drove the pair through the auction isle, through the parking lot, did 3 point turns without so much as a wrong step, you name it) and they were in excellent shape - he no saled when his highest bid wouldn't go over $300! It was rediculous to say the least. He did end up selling them privately after the sale, but I have no idea what he got for them - I do know that he walked away looking very unhappy though. My friend pulled a handsome 2 year old who was registered and had a retained testicle for $70 - she brought him home, had our vet out to fix his issue and he is now the sweetest little man :>)

The point is that if he thinks he's going to get remotely what he is asking for, he's only fooling himself. Convincing him of that is what will be difficult, but you can only try.