Roan appy vs a roany appy

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Manyspots

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I have quickly read with interest some comments about roans and the appaloosas from some of those showing great interest in the genetics of the appys. I would like to throw this out for debate could you show pics of a roan appy vs a roany colored appy?
 
I have an 11 year old mare, Sabrina, that is very roany...and I believe her to also be a true roan. She has a daughter,Mercury, that I am just not sure of..she will be 3 this year, and I just don't know what to think of her. Mercury was born with white sclera and was black but all white underneath. Her sclera turned dark and she has no characteristics, but she did look to be true roan...hence I believe Sabrina to also be true roan + Appy roan.

Mercury now has so much white in her mane and tail and the roaning has spread over her entire body...still no characteristics. She also developed some baseball sized white spots last year...but are they birdcatcher spots? I can't believe she is Appy with no characteristics...very, very strange...

Now, Sabrina has so much going on....Appy, frosted blanket, lacing, reverse dapples, counter shading ... maybe you can tell me! LOL!

Also, they both do what I was told is a sign of true roan...when they shed out , they are all white underneath...undercoat...and it takes a few more weeks for the white to shed and then they are much darker.

Here is Sabrina with Mercury nursing(notice that they are both showing that white undercoat in this picture
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And a head shot showing that her head is darker, but has Appy roaning
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And, one of her body in the summer showing all that other stuff
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[SIZE=12pt]Roy is a red roan Pintaloosa...sry the 1st pic is horrid and the 2nd is way to big..enjoy!![/SIZE]

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Trystyn- why Pintaloosa?? I can see Sabino type roaning and obviously Pinto......
 
I think first we should know if his pintoloosa has an appy parent or not...please don't assume someone's horse registered as a pintoloosa is just sabino roaning until you know what the parents are!

If both parents are pinto with no appy in them, I apologize for my comment =)
 
I don't understand the question!
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: I know the difference between true roan and appy roan, but what was the question again?
 
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Little Wee, the question was: "could you show pics of a roan appy vs a roany colored appy?"
 
Gosh we do get side tracked easily, don't we??

I think the original request was to see Appy + Roan, and also Appy + Appy roan???
 
LOL! Yes, Jane, I took it to mean that also. I posted the pictures of Sabrina as I do believe her to be both Appy roan + true bay roan . I can understand the question being a bit confusing though.
 
I'm glad someone got it, cause I didnt understand.... it said a roan appy vs a roany appy... what is the difference? Do they mean a non appy roan vs a roan Appy??
 
Sorry to confuse everyone! This is what I am thinking...A real roan will have the darker head and legs correct? Ok, so you breed a red roan (non appy) to an appy and you get a red roan appy, say with blanket but the red head etc as is true for roans. Also they do change seasonally. So this would be a roan appy. Ok, then what about an appy both sire and dam appys, no roan appearance on either. The foal that has a light colored head, legs etc, but has some areas that are described as roany in appearance. Would this foal also be called a roan appy even though it does not have the dark head, etc and doesn't change colors seasonly typically as a real roan? Ok, probably have ya all wondering huh? Just my mind wandering I guess..... ha! Can an appy have some roaning without being a product of at least one roan?
 
Here ya go, Little Wee, some Ibuprofen....
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Ok, a "true roan" horse will look different at different times of the year. In the summer their bodies will look lighter, but they will retain a dark head and legs. In the winter, their hair grows in dark and they look like a totally different horse sometimes.

Now, if you have a "true roan" horse that ALSO happens to be an appaloosa, they will have all the traits of a true roan, ie: darker head and legs with roaning on the body, PLUS they will have appaloosa characteristics or color, like a blanket with spots. A "roany appaloosa" will be roaned throughout, without that darker head and legs.

Here is a blue roan stallion that I used to own, Fishers Cisco Kid. His blanket and spots are not "dramatic" so his appy coloring is not super-striking, but he is obviously appy, and obviously roan.
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Here is a daughter of Cisco's, with one of her daughters (standing downhill on a slope, not too flattering sorry). Mirage has had three fillies and only this one inherited the "true roan" gene. It's a little difficult to see in this picture, but both have the darker heads and black legs.

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A "roany" appaloosa would be "roaned" all over it's body. And a "varnish" would end up turning mostly white, as others have mentioned, with just the bony parts of its body generally staying dark (knees, hips, etc). I know when a friend of mine had a varnish stallion of hers for sale, many people told her that they didn't like the varnish pattern, as it seemed to "wipe out" all of the color. I think they are pretty cool-looking myself, but I don't have any of those.

Does this help at all? One thing I DO know about is blue roan appaloosas, as I've had quite a few of them, lol!

(duh, edited to add the second pic, sigh)
 
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Manyspots, a non appy roan will probably not have the other characteristics required to be appaloosa, and may not even have any appy in it's background. Just having a roan hair coat does not mean it's appy. They should also have the other requirements- mottled skin, white sclera, striped hooves, etc...
 
Manyspots, a non appy roan will probably not have the other characteristics required to be appaloosa, and may not even have any appy in it's background. Just having a roan hair coat does not mean it's appy. They should also have the other requirements- mottled skin, white sclera, striped hooves, etc...

SO true! I have a bay roan mare I bought a couple of years ago, and when one of my friends first saw her, she thought she was appy (because that is what I like best for one thing
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: ; for another, the white hairs on her body could make one think "appy").

Here is a pic of her when I first got her-- I really need some new GOOD pics of her-- but it at least shows her coloring and how one could possibly mistake her for being appy if one didn't know. But no appy breeding at all in this mare.
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Magic thanks also for your pics. Great pic of an appy that is a true roan jumping by the way. Shows the dark head and legs. And your explanation. That is the way I see it also. I have seen some photos lately of some minis that were said to be roan appys and such was not the case. We have a few red roans and we also have appys. We have a yearling colt that will be a red roan appy and are anxious to clip him. His dam is a pretty red roan although not an appy herself. The sire of this colt is a black leopard and there are appy characteristics on this colt. He does appear to have the roan dark head and legs as a true roan has also. It will be fun clipping him. He will be sold at an auction early June so I will have some nice pics before that to share with those that are curious as to how he turned out. Thanks to those that answered.
 
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This is buzz- he's a appy x silver roan cross. Sire is a chestnut roan with silver and dam is a bay snowflake appy. Buzz was born red with a white large blanket , light colored mane/tail with tiny spots. The roan was apparent early on but the appy roaning really kicked in at around age 5 when he was very varnish like. The second photo was at about two years when he was lightening up.

Tammie
 

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