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my mare saffire is in foal but she has a infection in the placenta and it starting to detach for the uturos

has any one had this or heard of this ..vet says she has about 4 weeks to maybe foaling

and a 50 50 chance of aborting or survival she is on antibotics

i would love to learn as much about this so if anyone no;s anything about it please reply

thanks jenny
 
I cant help Im afraid but wanted to say how sorry I am that you and your mare is going through this
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when you say - " or survival" is that the mare or the foal you are refering to ? if you have a high chance of losing both... I dont know if this is even possible..... but if the foal is far enough along would it be of any use to induce the foal and flush the uterous out to try and get the infection under control ?

Ill be praying for her and her foals survival
 
What anttibiotics are you using? SMZ's work best for placental infections. Double dose Regumate until she foals. Banamine for a few days to try to reduce inflammation. Good luck and I hope you can get her to carry to term. How many days is she?
 
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she has given me sulfa b paste ....vet says it a antibotic but iam sure ive seen sulfa paste in the stock feed shop

bit confussed
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vet thinks she got about 4weeks to go..me myself think she will go earlyer then that
 
What anttibiotics are you using? SMZ's work best for placental infections. Double dose Regumate until she foals. Banamine for a few days to try to reduce inflammation. Good luck and I hope you can get her to carry to term. How many days is she?
My advice is to take Becky's advice ASAP! Don't wait to get her started on the proper antibiotics and also add the Regumate. This combination is absolutely necessary if you hope to have any chance of a live foal at this point. I have personal experience with this and I truly believe this combination is the only thing that worked.

Best of luck to you and your mare.
 
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she has given me sulfa b paste ....vet says it a antibotic but iam sure ive seen sulfa paste in the stock feed shop

bit confussed
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The sulfa b paste is probably very similar to SMZs ( two antibiotics--sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim). The active ingredients in SMZs come in multiple forms, most people are used to the tablets and primarily those are what they call SMZs. My vet carries Tribressen paste or Uniprim powder, I use the powder as its more economical and easier for me to use as I don't ahve to break and crush tables first before mixing with something to be able to syringe it in.
 
Placentitis.

My mare started to bag up at 5 months pregnant. Was told to start up regumate (2.5ccs per day) and was put on Tucoprim for 14 days. Bag went down. After the 14 day round of antibiotics was stopped she started to bag up even quicker and bigger. After an Ultrasound my vet agreed with me and she was put back on Tucoprim. She was kept on both until she delivered a healthy colt on day 327 gestation. These two together I am convinced saved her colt. I believe Tucoprim/Uniprim/SMZs all work about the same but am not a vet so will digress to what others have to say about that! Good Luck!

Oh forgot to add that I stopped both meds cold turkey on the day she foaled and had no problems after that.
 
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I agree with the advice of sulfa and regumate. (You already are using a form of the sulfa.) I'd also get regumate from your vet. Be sure to give it using rubber gloves. You give it orally and you don't want the stuff to touch your skin. Becky's suggestion of banamine may be a good idea too as it is an anti-inflammatory. Fingers crossed for you!
 
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thanks heaps for all the advice vet reackons saffire only has about 4 weeks till she foals..hang in there saffire

oh and what is regumate..............
 
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thanks heaps for all the advice vet reackons saffire only has about 4 weeks till she foals..hang in there saffire

oh and what is regumate..............
When I said the other day you needed to act NOW, this is what I meant. You can't wait until today to ask "what is regumate" if you are serious about saving your foal. You needed to ask that question IMMEDIATELY to your vet and get the process started. You are literally dealing with hours and not days here. This is not something to be taken lightly.
 
When I said the other day you needed to act NOW, this is what I meant. You can't wait until today to ask "what is regumate" if you are serious about saving your foal. You needed to ask that question IMMEDIATELY to your vet and get the process started. You are literally dealing with hours and not days here. This is not something to be taken lightly.
I just wanted to second Pamela's post. Breeding is very serious and you should be trying everything in your power to help save the lives of the animals involved. I agree with what everyone has said, and YES I would get your mare on regumate immediately. This condition is equally as serious in horses as it is in people. A person wouldn't risk their child's life, and a breeder should risk their foals life.
 
smh...

You needed to do this stuff on day one..
 
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First, Jenny is doing everything she can. This is her first year of breeding and I would think we could do a bit more to be supportive of a new breeder than reprimanding her for a 'suggestion' made here. She takes everyone's help very seriously, and has found a new vet that is closer to her and is now aware of the situation and is scheduling herself to be available at the foal's birth.

She is NOT familiar with Regumate (I'm not even sure that the name is the same in Australia) which was why she was asking about it. Right now, neither vet has moved to put this mare on Regumate, and I think Jenny was just asking to learn more about it so she could inquire of the new vet about perhaps adding this to the mare's antibiotic -- with some knowledge of what it is and what it does so she can ask 'intelligently'.

I think it's sad that sometimes these 'helpful' threads get so critical of someone trying to do the right thing. She's working WITH a vet -- and following her instructions, so if you have information that would be helpful, that you could share with someone TRYING to learn, then it would be appreciated if you would share. I've never used Regumate, and I would certainly like to learn about it as well -- in case I have a need for it in the future.

JMHO -- Diane at Castle Rock

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Diane,

I almost always agree with you and do ALWAYS respect your opinions. But, I have a problem with this particular post. First, I personally do not feel I was "critical" of her. Am I concerned for this mare? Yes I am. Very. The OP asked for advice and it was given, repeatedly. But, to me, and maybe it's just me, she came back with, based on her words, seems like a very nonchalant, afterthought of "what is regumate?" If she is working with a vet as you say, why hasn't the vet already been asked that? If it goes by another name in Australia, certainly that vet can either do a google search or ask a collegue about it. But my guess is the vet would likely know what it is.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is how I "heard' her words. Maybe she's serious about helping this mare and learning, etc., but it is upsetting to me that someone would have a mare that the vet says experiencing this very serious infection and take the time to come on a website and ask for help, then not take it. She's obviously got time to be on the computer, posting here and other threads, having fun, talking about having morning coffee, etc., but hasn't had time to ask her vet about a remedy that is CRUCIAL to saving her baby, nor has had the time to do a search for herself? That doesn't add up to me. Maybe I just take the responsibility of breeding more seriously.

I wish the best for this mare and her unborn foal.
 
Regumate is an oral progesterone used in mares for a variety of reasons but two of the most common are to help regulate heat cycles and it has been proven useful to help prolong gestations in mares with placentitis (infection of the placenta).
 
Ok so now I want to ask something about Regumate (which I know nothing about). I understand that it can be used to hopefully 'prolong' pregnancy/keep the mare pregnant until the foal has a good chance of viability??

Now if a mare has a partial detachment of the placenta, firstly, how is this confimed? Secondly, how much is this compromising the foal's nourishment/oxygen and how do we find out to what degree?

If the foal is being compromised and the mare is easily within her time to give birth, then surely to give regumate to prolong pregnancy is endangering the foal? As a complete novice/learner regarding regumate the above seems like normal thought procedure to me.
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In Saffire's case we have a mare who, judging by her almost V shaped tummy and her full bag, will be likely to foal within a week or so. However she appeared to be a bit off colour, plus suddenly showed a yellowing of the whites of her eyes. Jenny asked here about her eye colour and was told to get her to a vets immediately; this she did the next day and was told several things.....that Saffire had a separating placenta, that a scan showed the foal not yet in the birth position, that Saffire should take the anti-biotics provided and WORST OF ALL that the foal had a 50% chance of survival 'but that's life, take her home and see what happens'!!

The day following all this Jenny finds another vet who is now willing to work with her and Saffire and to monitor Saffire and the foals progress, possibly to induce her if the foal suddenly moves into a possible birth position. Jenny also came back here to ask if there is anyone who has experienced this problem and what they would do. The answer from nearly everyone has been to give regumate, but perhaps it is called something else in Australia, or perhaps Jenny's new vet has already considered this and dismissed it due to how close the mare is to foaling anyway. Remembering the time difference on the other side of the world, I think delays in responses are quite understandable.

But if this foal is being compromised by the separating of the placenta so far and this was one of your mares, would you still give your mare regumate or would you hold off in the hope that the foal positioned itself for a normal birth within a week or 10 days?

Jenny has reported that within 24 hours of taking the anti-biotics, Saffire has perked right up and is back to being her old self. I would like to offer Jenny my very best wishes and prayers that with her new vet's help, she will be welcoming a new baby in the very near future.
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:salute thank you diane and annc for you surport,,,,,,,

to to other that have replyed... well i felt like you slaped me in the face..iam so stress out about whats going on with saffire

and i dont need that ...i asked for advice not to be told off by something i dont understand about.the vet does no how much these mares mean to me i was in tears at the vet.....and can only trust the vets as thay no more then me....i did ring the vet yesterday but thay never got back to me so i will be dealing with the new vet i have found
 

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