Since posting links seems the trend :)

[Jill]

Do you really think the financial reward is the relatively small salary for when a president is in office? Lecturing, book royalties, speaking fees, ETC... But hey, I bet Romney could easily afford to meet your challange. Please don't tell me that would make him the bad guy... It is a sad state of affairs when the main strikes against a US presidential candidate are that he is a financial success and he is a religious person.

 

[Katiean]

I did not read the entire post. But, didn't Obama royally p*ss off the English when he would not use "their motorcade"? Oh and didn't he touch the queen? I think there were other things too. But hey, we aren't keeping score are we?

 

[Jill]

I did not read the entire post. But, didn't Obama royally p*ss off the English when he would not use "their motorcade"? Oh and didn't he touch the queen? I think there were other things too. But hey, we aren't keeping score are we?

Yep. Plus he impressed no one "over there" and embarrassed many "over here" with a tacky gift that included an iPod, a signed copy of his own book, etc. for Queen Elizabeth back in 2009. She, on the other hand, gave the Obamas one of the earliest known copies of William Shakespeare’s Henry V and framed original sheet music of John Newton’s “Amazing Grace.” The first daughters were given a dollhouse replica of Windsor Castle and a Shetland pony...

 

[Riverrose28]

OZY, I love you, whoever you are, Jill I love you too, and all that belong to the LB family, I so enjoy all these posts, like MW I get up in the morning grab my coffee and head to my computer to check it all out. I had to read the original link twice, and although it started out OK it did end on a sour note. I feel that everyone has a right to believe in what ever religion they want to, and this article was the opinion of one author. As I said yesterday on another thread, sometimes the written word on the net is truth and sometimes you need to take it with a grain of salt, you can't believe everything you read. Frederick the Great said, "All relgions must be tolerated...for every man must get to heaven his own way." I know that religion and politics are not to be combined, but yes I'm not so gullable as to feel that it does enter into every mans thoughts, and therefore may be intertwined. I don't know how Chick Fi la CEO got into this, but, I'm a DEmocrate, but I do believe that we all have freedom of speech and can say what we will as long as it doesn't offend others. We also have the right to shop and eat whereever, so we are offended by this companies stance we can eat somewhere else. Personally I've never eaten there as I don't eat take out very often. I do believe that gays have a right to the same rights as the rest of us, but also believe this CEO has a right too his/her opion and the right to express it.

Seriously I'm starting to hate all the political commercials and their negitivity. I would like to hear and see each candidate with a poitive atitude and hear how they plan to get the country back on it's feet. I also know three are three branches and that the President is not a ruler, nor do they have the right to get us back without the Congress and Senate all coming to terms. I am looking forward to each ones proposals instead of critizing each other.

Off my soapbox! Oh one more thing, then I promise I'll go hide back in my hole, "Can't we all just get along?"

Please excuse all the typos and mis spellings.

 

[MountainWoman]

Riverrose, I agree with you. As to Chick-Fil-A, we don't have it in Vermont but I loved it when I lived in the South. I always admired the fact they were closed on Sunday to allow their employees to go to church. However, I don't support their views on gay marriage and if I travel down south again, no matter how much I love their sandwiches, I wouldn't eat there. That's a choice I have when a company makes public its beliefs about certain topics and I find their beliefs offensive.

I got another mailing from Romney's party today. That makes about 4 this week. I'm just one person. Combine that with all the mailings each candidate and party is doing, all the money spent on advertising, super pacs, etc. The amount is staggering. If we took all this wasted campaign money (on both sides) plus the money the government wastes and used it to better people's lives so no one would be homeless, no one would worry about medical insurance and no one would worry about their children going hungry, how much better this world would be. Put people not parties first.

 

[tagalong]

NO - Obama did not touch the Queen - Michelle Obama and the Queen briefly touched other - the Queen initiating it - that was not "forbidden". Obama NEVER touched her - and it is easy to look that up - but why bother with facts??!! Who cares about facts??!!

Is it really so hard to try and stick to facts? I am sorry - I just find this extremely frustrating.

Ditto for the way the Churchill bust thing being rehashed from 2008 in an attempt to make it sensational again when once again, the FACTS do not bear that out. Plus it is old news - no need for grasping at such distant and desperate straws to try and make a point of some kind or another.

The facts - if anyone cares - are that the bust of Churchill was not sent back to the UK or to the British Embassy - but placed in the residence part of the White House outside the Treaty Room on a table of its own. The bust has been photographed there time and time again to debunk the lie - but it does not meet up with the prescribed agenda so the facts must therefore be ignored.

A bust of Lincoln is now in the Oval Office.

FACTS. I know they are inconvenient little things but it would be nice if they could be used once in a while.

That is why many of these political threads at LB go south - because actual FACTS are cast aside by some and do not matter.

Liberals are, once again, outraged because someone voiced their sincere opinion... yet is it not always the liberals who bleat for tolerance and understanding? Well, liberal hate and intolerance is, once again, on display for all to see.

Once again, we see a Conservative once again maintaining that anyone who even leans a bit left must be of the same mindset as some of the extreme left. Once again, we see that a Conservative is outraged that any Liberal should voice their sincere opinion - unless it is one they approve of. God forbid a Liberal actually say that they disagree with the Chick Fil A president's opinion - that is not allowed!! And yet, is it not always Conservatives who think they are the only ones with tolerance and understanding? Well, a bit of Conservative tunnel vision, hate and intolerance is once again, on display for all to see.

Had to turn that ^ around just to show how inaccurate and intolerant it was. Except that I only said ConservativeS (plural) once because they do not all think exactly the same way. No more than all Liberals think the same way - and they never have and never will.

The whole Chick Fil A thing is being blown wildly out of proportion.

And this...

Yep. Plus he impressed no one "over there" and embarrassed many "over here" with a tacky gift that included an iPod, a signed copy of his own book, etc. for Queen Elizabeth back in 2009. She, on the other hand, gave the Obamas one of the earliest known copies of William Shakespeare’s Henry V and framed original sheet music of John Newton’s “Amazing Grace.” The first daughters were given a dollhouse replica of Windsor Castle and a Shetland pony...

...is wildly inaccurate. Yes, Obama gave the Queen an engraved iPod on his first visit - an upgrade to the one she apparently already had. An American icon gift - even if it was deemed inappropriate by some. What was on it? Show tunes from musicals she likes, photos and videos of her visits to the US and a couple of audio clips of Obama speeches. The last part was lame but not an OMG!!! OMG!!! scandal. The Obamas also gave her a vintage songbook signed by Richard Rodgers - one of the Queen's favourite composers.

The actual facts are out there and easy to find and check - and yet many simply do not bother.

The next gift to the Queen was a leather-bound album with memorabilia and photos of her parents’ 1939 trip to the U.S., the first time a British monarch ever visited. Prince Philip the avid carriage driver received a custom-made set of bits and shoes from an American champion carriage horse that he admired. Prince Charles and Camilla (who love to garden) got a selection of plants, seeds and honey from the grounds of Mount Vernon, Monticello and White House. That as per CBC and not any biased American media, bloggers etc.

The Queen's basic gift to visiting dignitaries is a signed, silver framed photo of herself. Nothing else.

The Obama kids got neither a pony or a doll house of Windsor Castle - that has become part of the mythology that is presented as truth.

Can we please stick to the facts? They can be bizarre enough without half-truths, myths and outright... fabrications.

SO frustrating!

And I would NEVER be so intolerant of someone else's concerns and opinions that I would put them on ignore - on this forum (which is really tame compared to actual political forums where myths presented as facts get you skewered) or anywhere else.

 

[Jill]

I'm not sure what information is thought to be incorrect, but it's pretty easy to do an internet news search "Obama 2009 gifts to Queen Elizabeth" and get the scoop from any number of reputable sources.

As if that ^, or even -- gasp -- a presidential candidate who is a Mormon, were as important as: the economy, unemployment, illegal immigration, voter fraud, gun running, ETC.

 

[tagalong]

but it's pretty easy to do an internet news search "Obama 2009 gifts to Queen Elizabeth" and get the scoop from any number of reputable sources.

And if you actually get the info from reputable sources - and not bloggers, talking heads, websites with agendas etc. - the actual facts are there. As I listed them. And no, I do not believe that Jill does not read my posts at times - even though she says she has put me on ignore as she is intolerant of anything I have to say - especially when it comes to verifying facts.

Just one example of a myth - show me a link where it is documented ANYWHERE that Obama touched the Queen. There are none. Just the Michelle Obama interaction with the Queen that I already mentioned.

LINK, PLEASE. And not some lame blog or viral email where someone else is insisting that the myths are true. An actual link documenting the event.

*crickets*

Facts, please and none of this mythology that some insist is true. I cannot be the only one who finds this frustrating beyond belief. I am dismayed that people would prefer to believe the lies and myths as opposed to the truth - and although that can be applied to both sides, some will believe absolutely anything that is said about Obama. Anything. Everything. As I said, there are enough actual facts out there that are d a m n i n g enough without resorting to creating "facts" that do not exist. And never did.

I like to think that people are smarter than that...

.. I am interested in everyone's opinions even if they do not agree with mine - but it would be good if said opinions were based on... you guessed it - facts. You cannot have a balanced, intelligent discussion about the issues without facts.

As if that ^, or even -- gasp -- a presidential candidate who is a Mormon, were as important as: the economy, unemployment, illegal immigration, voter fraud, gun running, ETC

Well then, why is the placement of a bust 4 years ago such an important scandalous thing *GASP* that it deserves multiple mentions in this forum?? It doesn't.

 

[Minimor]

And if you actually get the info from reputable sources - and not bloggers, talking heads, websites with agendas etc. - the actual facts are there. As I listed them. C

Just one example of a myth - show me a link where it is documented ANYWHERE that Obama touched the Queen. There are none. Just the Michelle Obama interaction with the Queen that I already mentioned.

LINK, PLEASE. And not some lame blog or viral email where someone else is insisting that the myths are true. An actual link documenting the event.

*crickets*

Facts, please and none of this mythology that some insist is true. I cannot be the only one who finds this frustrating beyond belief. I am dismayed that people would prefer to believe the lies and myths as opposed to the truth - and although that can be applied to both sides, some will believe absolutely anything that is said about Obama. Anything. Everything. Facts be darned. As I said, there are enough actual facts out there that are darning enough without resorting to creating "facts" that do not exist. And never did.

I like to think that people are smarter than that...

.. I am interested in everyone's opinions even if they do not agree with mine - but it would be good if said opinions were based on... you guessed it - facts. You cannot have a balanced, intelligent discussion about the issues without facts.

Good post, as is your earlier one; while you would like to think people are smarter than that (as you said above) the unfortunate truth is many of them are not. That gets proven over and over again.

I'm waiting for someone to post that link that will prove Obama touched the Queen...because I remember the news coverage of the event and it most certainly was not Obama that touched the Queen--it was Michelle.

There might have been a handshake, which was a bit of a gaff, but I can't say for sure who that was and at the time I commented that the reporter sounded much more outraged that the Queen looked.

 

[andi]

A short clip from an INCREDIBLE new series on HBO, Newsroom, this clip is about the spreading of lies that the news is often so involved in ...

 

[vickie gee]

It was just about bashing Mormons. Again. I feel bad for any Mormon members here. While I am not a Mormon, I respect them and I will never have the opinion that faith is a reflection of personal weakness. It is an asset and I find it very distasteful when a handful of people decide to mock the faith of others.

I did not click on the link in the original post either but somewhere between first post and umpteen posts we seem to be so all over the board I cannot even focus. Oh, and the Chic-Fil-A thingy is a very hot topic on twitchy.com. The black guy that has made the video about his feelings about the restaurant chain...I can't describe it and since I don't embed videos I will just say he was very entertaining and has a good attitude. No chicken tonight for us though, I picked up fish at a friend of mine's restaurant, which I know as far as her business goes she DID build it.

 

[Katiean]

- but why bother with facts??!! Who cares about facts??!!

Is it really so hard to try and stick to facts? I am sorry - I just find this extremely frustrating.

FACTS. I know they are inconvenient little things but it would be nice if they could be used once in a while.

That is why many of these political threads at LB go south - because actual FACTS are cast aside by some and do not matter.

Can we please stick to the facts? They can be bizarre enough without half-truths, myths and outright... fabrications.

SO frustrating!

And I would NEVER be so intolerant of someone else's concerns and opinions that I would put them on ignore - on this forum (which is really tame compared to actual political forums where myths presented as facts get you skewered) or anywhere else.

POT----Kettle..........BLACK?

I could sight lots of things that you say are facts that....well....really are not. So, I think we all tend to see what we want to.

 

[minimomNC]

So, what are some of the things Tag has posted that are not true. Please give the statement that you think was wrong and the correct information. Just like Tag did.

Its so easy to say, well you did it too, and that be an answer. I want to know what she said that was not true and what the correct answers are. Thats discussion. So lets discuss it like adults. For the 100th time, why is each candidate good for the job as president. Not why is he bad (lord knows they both are) but if you think your pick is that great, tell me why with facts that you can back up. It is that easy, or maybe not, who knows. Could be there is nothing redeeming about either one and again that is going to be a huge blow to the country either way.

Oh except I did see an ad on TV where Rommney is going to get jobs for thousands of people in his first week in office, now thats hopefull, but I don't think realistic.

 

[susanne]

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With either side, it often seems that disliking someone is all the"proof" against them that is needed.

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[tagalong]

POT----Kettle..........BLACK?
I could sight lots of things that you say are facts that....well....really are not. So, I think we all tend to see what we want to.

No Pot Kettle Back there with me, Katiean. Please cite those facts that you claim are lies.

And do not start by telling us that all the fact checking websites are biased. I have seen some of them sneered at here - and then used by the same people when something the websites have debunked is to a poster's liking. If something does not have multiple links attached to it that you can investigate further on your own, it is not doing a decent job of fact-checking. And no - I do not rely on those websites for all my news/info as I am sure someone might suggest. Far from it.

Please point out where I dealt in myths and rumours. Show me where I have EVER posted news from viral emails or talking heads and presented it as fact. Many of us have repeatedly debunked viral emails and the like that were presented as truth. Show me ONCE where I insisted a lame rumour was true. Just once.

Once upon a time, I snarked about the Saturday Night Live skit about Sarah Palin where she could supposedly see Russia from her house. I was talking about the skit - but got jumped for saying it was true - which was not the case. That is the only "incident" I can even recall where I was supposedly dealing in lies.

More recently, I got jumped for relating a personal healthcare experience in Canada and was told I was wrong because So & So radio host or commentator had said the opposite. That thread is long gone - but my personal experience and that of my family was deemed to be a lie - and yet what some pompous talking head said on TV or in a blog was the absolute truth. Based on... spin, myth and rumour and not fact. The facts were unimportant.

Do not tell me I am an Obama lover because it would not be true - I have many issues with many of his policies.

BOTH sides of the political game - both parties - are guilty of the same thing - spin , hypocrisy and political doublespeak. It is not all just Liberals or Democrats as repeated threads and posts here have asserted.

And when I see it suggested multiple times here that unless you are a Republican or Conservative or believe select opinions, you must be intolerant and hateful. ... it just makes me sad.

Facts are not photos or comments taken out of context and twisted to meet certain agendas. I loathe the attack commercials both sides use now and will use in the future.

The same nonsense goes on on both "sides" - both parties pull the same lame stunts - unless you read some of the political threads at LB - where apparently only Liberals or The Left or Democrats (pick one or all) are at fault or to blame...

 

[Jill]

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With either side, it often seems that disliking someone is all the"proof" against them that is needed.

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That can pretty much be the case, and on a couple different levels.

Oh, and the Chic-Fil-A thingy is a very hot topic on twitchy.com.

Yes, it is! And I adore Michelle Malkin

I saw this yesterday and feel it really sums up the heart of the controversy where Chick-Fil-A is concerned!

Though liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view.

The current media hot topic surely supports ^ THAT ^ point of view

 

[MountainWoman]

I heard on FOX NEWS last night that the bust of Winston Churchill in the Oval Office was on LOAN to President Bush after 9/11 and it was returned and is now in the British Embassy. There is another bust of Winston Churchill that sits in the hall of the White House (forgot where) and has been there for years.

As to Chick-Fil-A, husband and I don't agree. I said "Well, I won't eat there" and he said, "If I were them and you didn't like what I believe in than I'd tell you to go buy your dang chicken somewhere else."

Vive La Difference!!!

 

[Jill]

Here's another current take on the facts of the Winston Churchill bust, along with many citations:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/white-house-hey-we-never-got-rid-of-that-churchill-bust/

 

[Jill]

Vive La Difference!!!

Amen!!! If we all agreed on everything, life would not be nearly as interesting

 

[ozymandias]

The answer to Chick-Fil-A is so simple. If you disagree - eat somewhere else. Now THAT's freedom at work. It's just another hater hiding behind religion. Pick out the parts that suit you and leave the rest - but we've been there done that before.

It's pretty much the same old thing with the "freedom of speech" comments - it's freedom of speech when it agrees with your agenda but if it's something you disagree on (gods forbid it's a liberal, democrat or atheist commenting on something)

I think it's past time that this country DID start talking about peoples beliefs because their "faith" is going to influence them more than their politics. For thousands of years the church has ostracized, imprisoned, tortured and killed free thinkers and scientists that have disagreed with them. Times are changing. There are people on this MB who think it's perfectly fine to attack someones political standing if it differs from their own but religion is out of the ball park for comments. Thankfully that fastest growing segment of America when it comes to "faith" or lack of it is those who now claim NO religion. We're better educated these days (sadly lagging behind most "educated" countries in that field still though). When a bronze age book tells you a god flooded the world to 22 feet above the highest mountain - ANYONE with half a brain cell has to look at that and question it. 22 ft above the highest mountain - oh, seriously!! Look up next time you see a commercial airplane overhead. Not one landing or taking off but one in it's flight path. They cruise at an average of 30,000 ft. Mt. Everest is 29,028 ft high. Add 22 ft to that and you're looking at a flood covering the world at the height that a commercial jet cruises at. You don't even have to go into the fact that that's in the "death zone" where there isn't enough oxygen to support human life - let alone an ark full of animals etc. etc. There is NO evidence of this flood EVER occurring and overwhelming evidence that it didn't. From uninterrupted historical records of civilizations existing and functioning pre-flood and post-flood to geological proof (the list goes on) If you're not seriously questioning the myths written in one bronze age book that contradict so much of what science can prove then you're not being intellectually honest with yourself.

There's nothing wrong with taking someones religion into account in politics anymore than it's wrong to look at their political or fiscal policies. Times are changing and in the same way people are in an outcry over chick-fil-A's religious based bigotry they are also finally starting to examine how that same "my religion is better than yours, my god is better than yours" attitude will influence them in leading our nation into the future.