Stouts lines

[luvblue2]

Hi: I am wondering if anyone here knows much about the "Stout" bloodlines. Do these horse run on the large size typically? Do you like these lines or not? What characteristics do they usually throw? My new stallion is all Stouts lines(both sides)--sire is Stouts sir George. I am very interested in hearing thoughts on these old bloodlines .

Thanks.

 

[Miniv]

That is indeed an OLD line......... Don't know about size characteristics, although we have one mare here that has Stouts behind her and she's 32.5" tall. Stouts style of horse used to be more of the quarterhorse type. I would suspect that many of their characteristics are diluted by other bloodlines by now.

MA

 

[bluerogue]

Well, we have a Stouts bred mare, and her 2 year old son. The Stout bred horses in my opinion are generally nice (there are exceptions to every rule however!). The ones I've seen in person usually have nice heads (with big doe eyes), and good conformation. That said, like any farm, Stouts had horses that were short (like ours- both are well under 30"), and horses that were taller. It really depends on the specific horse you are looking at. Our mare is sired by Stouts Short Change, who was also pretty short (I can't remember exactly how tall he was off the top of my head though- but I want to think he was under 30 too). Anyway, like any foundation herd, there were horses of all heights in the Stout herd. I like the Stout bred horses, but really, I like any nicely conformed, pretty, friendly horse. Bloodlines aren't the first thing I look at, but I wouldn't say no to a Stout bred horse if everything else was there. If you want to see photos of our Stout bred horses, please feel free to email me at [email protected]. I'm always willing to talk horse!

 

[nootka]

I have lots of pictures of older Stouts-bred horses. I am going to say you will find a pretty large range of "type" even within any one farm name. It is hard to give a generic description of "type" based on a farm name. The reason being are many: the horses often came from other farms in that era, or other places and then the farm names were added on (the rules were not quite as strict to put it mildly), so you don't really know for sure WHERE a horse was born, also we're talking likely about 30 years ago, and the type from then to now was greatly different as a rule, though there WERE some very nice horses even then by today's standards.

My point is that if you were to take each horse as an individual, then you could have a better idea of what you have, genetically, than to consider the farm name.

My own TINY (and young) farm as an example: You have everything from a horse that had very minimal possible dwarf characteristics, heavy boned and smallish w/bad proportions (sold as a pet) that has my farm name on it, to the horses I try to produce now: fine boned, good proportions and show ring champions. To consider my "farm name" and label it a "type" is not really clear thinking. If you want to try and find pictures of the individual horses, and go from there, you will be ahead of the game.

I guess this is a personal "peeve" of mine and rarely have I seen a farm that has a "type" that they can advertise as being something synonymous of their farm name. Arenosa comes fairly close, but even then, there are horses from that farm or bloodline, that I would not consider show or even breeding quality. Audrey just did not put her farm name on them, though many today consider breeding with those lines, they can't quite emulate the same thing Audrey did. They are NOT her, though I will admit many are nice, we have percentage Arenosa that are being sold on the prestige of a name which has in many's minds become synonymous with type. It can be a dangerous pitfall.

So I see it all the time with a "Big Name Farm" bred horse being sold for higher amounts because of that breeding when it may be an offspring of the ugliest horse they ever bred, one that even they didn't intend to use for that purpose.

Maybe the name "Stout" just calls to mind "large" as in its dictionary meaning? I do have some historical photos of Stout horses on my computer if you would like me to look for some in particular to try and help?

Sorry to find a soapbox and rant a little. I'd just like for everyone to think clearly when purchasing breeding stock or researching pedigrees.

Even the most prestigious farm in the world has horses born on it that are "duds" and so the farm name does not necessarily mean anything.

Liz M.

 

[Candleliteranch]

Hi there :saludando: I have an all Stout bred mare. She's 30" and in the winter looks like a mini draft horse, but when clipped is actually more refined than "stout". There is a picture of her and her pedigree on our website if you'd like to take a look.

 

[Charlotte]

We have trained for years...since '98?....for a farm with strong Stout bred horses....lots of Stouts Mr Pride. Year after year top show horses come from there including an AMHA National Champion 28 & Under Sr Stallion. Lots of Top Tens. This farm likes the smaller minis and lots of the ones we've shown have been well under 28", but there have been some awesome bigger ones too.

Charlotte

 

[luvblue2]

Thanks for the info everyone. I am aware that pedigree doesnt mean everything and that a farm will have a variety of quality from even the same stallion. However, I think there are some stallions that have strong genetic triats that they repeatedly can pass on. I was wondering if there is such a stallion in the stouts line that is know for outstanding offspring. My stallion is by Stouts Sir George by Stouts Mr. Pride. I am not judging him by his pedigree, just curious about his background. Everyone has been very helpful with there information. I love hearing about your Stout horses!

 

[Miniv]

Bluerogue is right about the "big doe eyes" !!! Our mare has them, her daughter has them, and now her granddaughter has them. They are wonderful!

MA

 

[Tony]

In the early 80s the Stout's would bring quite a few mares to the National Show and I was fortunate enough to be asked to help them show them. They were beautiful mares with gorgeous heads and most were quite small for the time and most were pintos. The Stout's were very nice and loved the horses and had bred them for many years. I last visited their place in Indiana about eight or more years ago. He had started really working on an appaloosa program using mostly buckskin mares and buckskin leopard app stallions.