tell me what you think?

[JennyB]

[SIZE=12pt]Hello I am asking you all to pick my stallion apart for me....PLEASE!

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The good...the bad...I know he has a lot of faults(they all do), but I need to know what you really

think of this guy. He is an American Shetland, Miniature Horse and Pinto stallion. I need to know from these crummy home shots(if possible) if YOU think he should stay a stallion, or geld him, show him or HIDE him behind the barn? :new_shocked:

My thoughts on him are this;

1. I have had him since he was born so I love him no matter --guegaa

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2. He toes out the front-not bad

3. he toes out the hinds-not bad

4. He tends to have a low back-might get better if he was really conditioned

5. He has a really pretty head and no picture I have taken really captures that so he is NOT photogenic

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6. If I were to show him would you show him as a Miniature(he measures at 37.75") or a Shetland?

7. His shoulder could be better

8. he has a super hip

9. He is a really workable boy and uses his mind-not wacky

10. He has sired nice babies so far-very pretty-they have his pretty head and mind set

11. Good stallions make better geldings...OUCH

12. He is almost all white...what do you think judges would think?

13. I have seen plain colts/stallions who have been in the back yard and when conditioned for a show and pictures taken it's like two different animals

14. He is 9-years-old this year...

15. I wish he had eye-liner around those eyes.... :no:

16. I have no money for a training barn, but have conditioned them myself for the show ring

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17. Am I being too hard on him?

18. He really doesn't have a low tail set-his dark hair before his tail really makes it look that way and I know he is tooooo FAT !

19. I keep thinking that soooo much white will hurt him in the show ring :new_shocked:

20. I really LOVE him A LOT

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Pictures are really HARD to judge especially BAD ones. He really is very pretty and there has been on one yet who has visited him who didn't think he was pretty neat. Maybe I should just condition him, bathe him, put a show halter on him and take better pictures...eh

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: ...but is he good enough to show "REALLY"?

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Have at him! If you need to rip him apart do so please! I can take it! If you want more pictures let me know

cause I really need to know what you all think of him

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Thanks bunches,

Jenny in Washington state :saludando:

 

[txminipinto]

I'll bite. Many of the pony people are packing up and heading up to Congress this weekend. I'll actually leave tomorrow.

First, NOBODY can evaluate this horse from these pictures. It's important to know how to take good horse pictures before you can truely evaluate a horse from them. Pictures should be taken directly from the side between the should and hip. You should be level with the horse's body, not shooting from above or below. Front and back shots should be taken with the horse square with you directly behind or in front and again level. But, I'll give you my opinion on him as a classic shetland.

First, if he has the ability to be foundation, I would have him papered that way. He's a heavier boned pony that would do better in the Foundation division.

Head: blocky and heavy for my taste, but has good length from eye to nose.

Throatlatch: Can't really evaluate but from these pictures appears thick. Sweating would most likely help.

Neck: Thick - needs to be sweated. And could tie higher into the shoulders

Body: Can not evaluate from these pics.

Legs: Also can not give a good evaluate but they do appear to turn out. Sometimes good and frequent farrier work can improve (but not cure) this fault. That said, it's much better to turn out than to turn in.

What's important is that YOU love him! I have horses that I will never sell but will never achieve my goals for them on the shetland circuit. You just have to adjust your goals for each horse to be realistic for them to achieve.

If he was mine, I would show him as a gelding on the miniature horse circuit and pinto. To glance at him, I think mini, not shetland. As far as his coloring, I wouldn't hesitiate to show him because of the white. I will be showing Mike and Lisa Strass' stallion, Frank (you've seen him!) at Congress. A solid color horse (be it brown, black, or white) is much easier to show than a pinto due to the markings making optical illusions. A brown horse is easier to show than a black horse, and a black horse is easier to show than a white horse. If you are going to show him, invest in QuickSilver and baby powder!

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Other than that, LOVE HIM! Because if we didn't love them we wouldn't spend all this time and money on them.

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[JennyB]

I'll bite. Many of the pony people are packing up and heading up to Congress this weekend. I'll actually leave tomorrow.

First, NOBODY can evaluate this horse from these pictures. It's important to know how to take good horse pictures before you can truely evaluate a horse from them. Pictures should be taken directly from the side between the should and hip. You should be level with the horse's body, not shooting from above or below. Front and back shots should be taken with the horse square with you directly behind or in front and again level. But, I'll give you my opinion on him as a classic shetland.

First, if he has the ability to be foundation, I would have him papered that way. He's a heavier boned pony that would do better in the Foundation division.

Head: blocky and heavy for my taste, but has good length from eye to nose.

Throatlatch: Can't really evaluate but from these pictures appears thick. Sweating would most likely help.

Neck: Thick - needs to be sweated. And could tie higher into the shoulders

Body: Can not evaluate from these pics.

Legs: Also can not give a good evaluate but they do appear to turn out. Sometimes good and frequent farrier work can improve (but not cure) this fault. That said, it's much better to turn out than to turn in.

What's important is that YOU love him! I have horses that I will never sell but will never achieve my goals for them on the shetland circuit. You just have to adjust your goals for each horse to be realistic for them to achieve.

If he was mine, I would show him as a gelding on the miniature horse circuit and pinto. To glance at him, I think mini, not shetland. As far as his coloring, I wouldn't hesitiate to show him because of the white. I will be showing Mike and Lisa Strass' stallion, Frank (you've seen him!) at Congress. A solid color horse (be it brown, black, or white) is much easier to show than a pinto due to the markings making optical illusions. A brown horse is easier to show than a black horse, and a black horse is easier to show than a white horse. If you are going to show him, invest in QuickSilver and baby powder!

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Other than that, LOVE HIM! Because if we didn't love them we wouldn't spend all this time and money on them.

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[SIZE=12pt]Carin Oh Thanks so much....

: I know these are crummy pictures and I should have some better ones. I appreciate your honesty and your opinion greatly! I will work him, clean him up and then take more pictures of him before fall comes, then see what you all think

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You have given me some good thoughts to mull over. I wouldn't be showing him until next year if I do at all, so have plenty of time.

Good Luck at the Nationals with all your ponies and minis, say Hi to Sandi Costa if you see her...I have a hard time keeping track of that gal, but she's great. Have FUN and can't wait for you all to get back with your results!

Again thanks and be SAFE!

My best,

Jenny

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[txminipinto]

No problem!

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[MDMminis]

I don't want to burn you or make you mad but here goes. IMO:

Legs: He is toed out front and back and that will throw the judge off at a bad score for sure.

Body: Color wise he's fine if your going to show highlight that white with shampoo's and shiners make him look like a diamond ring.

Hip: Nice and thick he does have that drafter build like QH foundation build but some judges like the stocky shetlands.

Shoulder: In balance with the neck you need to get him sweated up for sure make sure when you show he streatches the neck out just to make him look alittle better and even those wide shoulders out.

Head: He has a wide head for the shoulders but trim his mane up give a good clean up around his eyes and nose and he should look nice.

Extra: Well sweat him clean him up etc. When you want a honest awnser on showing quailty yes i'd say with more grooming and showing he would make an awesome breeder specially if he already has foals on the ground. Also i seen you were selling him for a faster sell and better buyer i'd get him in the ring ASAP to show that he is good stallion quailty.

But he is very pretty and it does matter that you love him but if your thinking to coutine his breeding just a few things i picked up in conformation. He should look good you just got to work him give him that thiner look to him and not a wide loaded pony (lol).

He sounds wonderful and i wouldn't geld him unless he burns bad in shows then i'd consider gelding him because he might not look like good show and breeding quailty to people. But i love that pretty baby look he has to him very pretty young man.

GL, Jenny

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