Uh Oh.... Not Again Pit Bull attack

[ChrystalPaths]

My prayers are with your entire family and poor TopCat. Bless those who were brave enough to stop and help. Sending white light to help and to heal.

 

[Joyce]

Tony, I'm so sorry to be reading all this and a continuing nightmare of dogs and horses. What a horrible, horrible day you had and I hope the other dog is found and done away with. You had every right to shoot the dog on the spot. A speedy and complete recovery is wished for your stallion.

Joyce L

 

[kaykay]

dang it tony im so sorry!! the dog problem seems to be a never ending nightmare for you. No one would ever flame you for the trailer incident, my gosh anyone could forget to check under those circumstances! This is for sure one of the bad things about lending a trailer out.

Sending good thoughts your way for an end to the stress and trauma and healing thoughts for your man

 

[Relic]

STUPID DOG OWNERS l hope you get the other dog and find the people and do a number on them. That is so senseless sometimes there are no words. We both hope your little guy will pull through this and be fine.

 

[minimule]

Oh man Tony! What an end to a day that started out so great. I'm so sorry you had another stallion hurt and I'm praying the damage won't be so permanent. Glad you did get one of the culprits and I hope they find the other.

I have an idea......I really want to move to TX, the place behind you is for sale. Since Dave MAY be promoted and will need to stay here an extra year :no: .....I'll go ahead and move down there, bring my rifles, and I'll become your dog patrol!

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Bl**dy people- THEY are the ones should be shot- although I do agree in this case and similar, the dog should be shot where it stands- after all, it was not hurt in any way, just shot dead- no, I agree with that.

Tony I am so, SO sorry this has happened to you again, and to poor Lauren- I know she is grown now but I still think of her as "little" Lauren!!!

Please, people, this just happened to be a Pit Bull, next time it will be a Dobe or a Rottie or some other "dangerous" breed.

We have just had a tragedy over here with a sweet little girl being killed by a dog.

It started off as an AmStaff but now they have decided it was a Pit Bull- no proof, they- the powers that be- have decided and so the witch hunts start all over again.

NO BREED IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS

- it is how they are treated and raised and trained that is what makes the difference between a good natured pet and a ravening monster.

The power of the jaws in this breed make them potentially dangerous- as does the power in the jaws of a Rottweiler and a Dobe and even Neopolitan Mastiffs and Cane Corsos- they are far more dangerous, potentially, because they are so much bigger and very, VERY popular over here, for all the wrong reasons.

The people that owned these dogs should be dragged through the streets and flogged- as should the owner of the dog that killed this sweet innocent here over New Year- he knew the dog was "iffy" and he left it in the house with his Nana and the little girl- flogging is too good for him IMO.

OK, off soap box, and back On Topic.

Tony, there is no justice in the world when something like this can happen just when you thought it was safe.

I hope and pray this time they can get an arrest out of this and a prosecution, and I hope the punishment is severe enough to make people think twice about letting their dogs roam in your area.

Please, please let us know how the stallion progresses, and stay safe, you do not need a car crash on top of all your problems.

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[Little Wee Horse Farm]

Ok, gloves off in both corners..............I'm so very very sorry this happened AGAIN, but ......it could have been ANY BREED of dog. It just happens that this poor breed has fallen into the hands of many fools who should never have any kind of dog because the owners have no brains. I'll take my Am Staffs over any dog any where any time in any situation. Since some of you are so out-right filled with hate, let it be said again: ANY BREED CAN HUNT< CHASE< KILL.......that's what wild dogs DO & that's what domestic dogs can snap back to doing in a minute. A pack of mutts are just as vicious as a pack of anything else -- it's their canine nature! Bully breeds are not the breed for everyone. Neither are chihauhaus, Dobermans, danes or dalmations or (shudder) labs.

I'm sorry, but I believe an investment in good fence - especially cattle panel or hog panel - is an invaluable item if you can possibly afford it. The horses can't get out & predators can't get in. Maybe it's not as pretty as vinyl board or real board or split rail...........but it's wiser & worth every penny. If I had this much of a predator problem, I'd take out a loan if necessary to get the best fence. Or dedicate the sale money from several horses to get the fence. Even if a person had to confine the horses to a smaller WELL-FENCED area until all of their area could eventually be done.

Go ahead, flame away. I'm gonna really really try not to come back into this...............I very often hold my tongue here, but I just can't take this anymore. Good fence = no dogs! Forget the guard donkeys, llamas, dogs etc. Good fence is the answer.

Yes, these loose dogs (at least one of them) got what they earned. But, if the fence was right, they maybe would have tried to get in, but would 100-1 chance given up & went & looked for something else that is more easily accessible.

Tony, I'm so sorry this happened, I really am. I hope all will turn out alright for you & your little one. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

 

[KanoasDestiny]

Good fence = no dogs!

While I do agree with this statement...I also know that it isn't 100% true. We have really good NO CLIMB fencing attached to cattle panels, so you would think nothing could get in. The fencing is five foot tall, and is sunk into the HARD ground at least 6 inches. You would think that this pen, which is inside of property fencing, would have been safe for our horses. But last August, a dog entered the property by shear chance, went all the way back to the horse pen, and must have pushed on the fencing until it gave way from the wood posts. Lucky for me, the dog must have been more interested in chasing the horses, then to actually latch on to them. Although they had a couple scratches and pucture marks, they were not mauled. We truly thought the fencing was secure enough to keep all dogs out. But where there is a will, there's a way.

Tony, I am so sorry about your little guy, and I pray that he has a fast recovery. I also hope that someone catches that other pit before he returns to do more damage.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

It has been discussed before- it is not feasible for Tony to fence all his land- there is just too much of it.

When I think how much I have spent on fencing just my 12 acres, and then a couple of days ago I found out I have a hole in it- by losing one of my dogs, luckily, not by one getting in- well, I can see the problem!!

 

[Gena]

Tony bless your heart for what you went through, what a horrible day you had. I am glad the dogs didn't kill your horse and you had people there helping you. They just had on the news the other night that two horses were attacked not far from here from dogs - they think it might have even possibly been a wolf. It is scarey and I pray you will not have any more attacks.

 

[Sunny]

The ONLY good thing in all of this is that there is one less pit bull in the world now! That whole breed and the irresponsible people that own them should all be darned to heck, as far as I'm concerned. I

Ahhh a nice level headed response just as one would expect lately on the fourm

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thanks for the wonderful sentiment I will let you know if I am darned to heck if I get there and surely let you know if I see anyone else that owns them.

I am sure the many children that were helped in hosptials and foster group homes by my CERTIFIED THERAPY DOG who was GASP a pit bull would perhaps have a different feeling but hey that is what makes the world an interesting place right

Well, Lisa, if you consider yourself to be one of the "irresponsible" owners that I was referring to (if you'd read my message properly), then I'll look forward to your postcard.

 

[bfogg]

I feel bad that people feel Tony or anyone should haver to spend thousands of dollars on dog proof fencing! Is ther such a thing.

I feel sorry for those poor horses maimed,tortured and killed by these dogs. The trouble with Pit bulls is .........nothing. It is that the wrong type of people just have to have one of these type of dogs. Then they kick its butt out the door (just like they usually do their kids) for someone else to take care of.

I see pit bulls every day running loose, and I don't care if its a tea cup poodle or a pitbull put 2 dogs togeher and its a pack looking for trouble.

The problem is not with this breed its the type of person that wants one, gotta git me a tough dog, cuz then I am the man!!!

NOW NOT EVERYONE THAT WANTS A PITBULL IS THIS WAY I know that and you know that. But unfortunately there is to many that are that way.

I have neighbor that has one and I wondered when I saw it What the heck is she thinking?

Turns out she got it at the pound and they told her it was an American Staffordshire Terrier, I said Nancy that is another name for a pit bull.

She was dumbfounded.

The dog had attacked a friend of theirs dog the day before when it got out of the car and killed it in 2 bites.

Nancy is a wonderful person and they take good care of the dog. But guess what?

When the dog asks to go out at midnight every night she says she is to tired to walk it so it gets let loose.

So far its ripped 2 sheep apart and God knows what other wild animal.

But she can't even think of doing anything, because they love her. They pay for the sheep and it continues.

I said look put a run at the back door! Ummmm well maybe when the house is done in a year or so. How about a chainlink pen? Well maybe after the house is done.'

These people are professional higly educated people if they don't GET IT how do we convince the less?

educated to accept resonsibility.

But to say Tony needs to spend thousands for dog proof fencing (if there is such a thing) doesn't seem fair to me.

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Good idea yes I am sure but dang that would make me get my dander up. I also agree that the dogs need to be destroyed poor things as after doing it once it will continue.

This is sad for the dog breed, sad for the horses but how much more can Tonys family and herd be expected to take?

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I would be about crazy and some discouraged and very angry as well.

I am sorry Tony and hope its over for good.

Hugs

Bonnie

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Umm sunny you clearly stated THE WHOLE BREED and the irresponsible people who own them pretty much implying THE WHOLE BREED is owned by those that are not responsible

That is a far different statement then dog owners who are not responsible.. and really dont worry you arent the first on this wonderful family fourm who has told me I would be going there.. surely wont be the last and really for all we know many of those same people will be right there next to me so perhaps no need for a postcard

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As for Tony I will say again I am sorry I realize you have tons of property and the huge expense in fencing it all but seeing as your place for whatever reason is a great attraction to all the loose and wild dogs around I might put them in a much smaller fenced in area as has been suggested until somehow someway you can get the dog problem under control. It must be a very scary way to live for all.

 

[HGFarm]

My god Tony- I hope you find the other dog, or it will be back. They have GOT to be coming from close by somewhere!! I cant believe you are going through this AGAIN- THANK GOD someone saw it happening and stopped it before it was worse than it already is!!

I will pray that your little guy recovers. This is just disgusting.

And GOOD THING that your truck didnt die on the way TO the vet!!!! At least you made it home. It is days like that that I would want to crawl not back in bed, but UNDER the bed and just stay there, sucking my thumb!!!

Sorry you are going through this AGAIN.

 

[billiethekid40]

Tony, I wonder if you started getting photos of the dogs and posting "found" ads if any of the owners step forward hopeing to "claim" their dogs? Ie, the next time before you shoot, snap a photo first and post a "found ad" not mentioning where it was found or any of the circumstances. Just a simple,

FOUND
Call ###-####
Insert dogs photo on bottom
No details at all, so you can't be blamed for saying they could come claim it. At least then you could find out who was owns them. I guess, since you don't have the option of a live photo of this dog, you could post a description.

So sorry this keeps happening to you. There really isn't an easy answer is there?

 

[Humhill]

Haha I liked the last idea.

Everybody does flame pit bulls, but it's because they're being bred to fight. They do selective breeding just like we do, just for different characteristics. I really feel bad for the dogs. They have that instinct so heavily bred into them. Then, they starve them and put them up against another dog in the same situation and are forced to fight for their life. I don't know if ya'll realize it, but it's a fight to the death. It's a big market too. People breeding dogs and the spectators that bet on them. I just don't understand how someone would want to stand there and watch that whether it's dogs, chickens, or beta fish (yes they fight them too).

I teach high school and I've noticed it's become (not to make stereotypes) part of the "gangsta" lifesytle. It's cool to own a pit bull. Instead of using real collars, they use chain as a collar and lead for them. It makes them seem more vicious which makes the owners seem cooler. My students all had to do a project this semester then present it to the class. Several of them did teaching their dog tricks or raising their puppy. I let them bring them in to show the class when they presented. One girl wanted to bring her Pit. I told her no, definately not. She tried to convience me that she was just a puppy (9 months) and was sweet. I told her I didn't want it known that I allowed a Pit Bull in the classroom. :nono:

Just as fighting can be bred into a dog, so can gentleness and protectiveness. I know they've had GREAT success with the Great Pyrnese for guarding sheep and goats. (The big white dogs someone was talking about earlier) Someone said fencing was the only solution. Well, if those dogs want something (ie the horses) bad enough, they'll find a way through, under, over or around.

I said this in another post, I recommend a donkey or a llama. They have the natural dog-hating instinct.

We had a neighbor (across the road) who saw 2 coyotes in her yard. Well, imagine what a pack of them could do to a min! So, we heard about how a jenny donkey will protect the herd and run them off. Well,we ended up getting a weanling (we jokingly call her our "Coyote Killer"). My dad and I were pretty skeptical this would work with her being so small (and sweet!! She loves affection). Well, yesterday, our new neighbors' little foo foo dog went running into the pasture and started barking at the horses. He said Jenny (I know, real origional) took off chasing the dog striking at it the whole time!

Little foo foo dogs today....Coyotes tomorrow....

Anyway, good luck, I hope you find a solution that works.

 

[~Karen~]

{{{HUGS}}} WHat a horrible day. I am so glad to hear that your horse was saved from death. I hope that the dog that got away is soon found before another incident happens. If I am reading right, it sounds that you have had run ins with dogs before, was it the same dogs? I am sorry to hear that your horse has such injuries, I hope that if nerves are damaged in his mouth, that it doesn't effect his eating and drinking. {{{HUGS}}}

~Karen

 

[rabbitsfizz]

SOME Donkeys will chase, some will not- one of mine did, the other stood and watched her with her mouth open.

All that would happen in a dog attack is that the Donkey would get killed first- if your Donkey has been bought to be expendable...so be it!!

No Donkey would stand a chance against two determined dogs, no way, no how.

And if I remember rightly Tony had five dogs at it in the first place.

One of my stallions is NASTY with dogs- he will chase out in an instance any dog that might cause trouble just by "play" chasing.

He is NO match for my Dobe, (not that this ever happens unattended, mind you, I just wanted to see what he would do and she was under control)

No way would he be a match for two Dobes, he could not cope with one- he would have given account of himself, no doubt, with some well placed kicks, but I have (Once and only once, Thank God) seen dogs with their blood up and intent on killing a foal.

There is no Donkey or Horse that would be a match for that.

I have also seen the mindlessness of my Dobe ******* fighting.

They feel NO pain.

I am certain Tony will do everything he can to prevent this happening again- I am also certain he thought he had done that already!!!

Why on EARTH are people allowed to let animals roam??

If they were responsible for them, if they had to pay all costs on top of fines, they might think twice.

Unless the parameters for Pit Bull fighting have been changed they were never bred to fight to the death- I am NOT condoning dog fighting, but those are the facts, they are bred to "match fight" that is all.

Maybe the street fights, in gangs, are to the death, but that was never the purpose.

It is a heinous business altogether, but we do need to get our facts right and not just follow the media hysteria.

 

[Ronnie]

Tony,

All I can say is WOW, again! It is terrible you keep having this recurring, devastating problem. I surely hope your stallion recovers and I really wish I could come up with a suggestion that would help but I know you have already tried them all.

I hope to see you in Vegas next month but if your luck doesn’t change I am not sure I want to sit to close to you.

Ronnie

 

[Laura]

[SIZE=12pt]Oh Tony, not again :no: My thoughts are with you all.[/SIZE]

Now, I know IRRESPONSIBLE pit breeders are churning out vicious dogs, but not all pits are bad, as not all other dogs aren't good. Please remember folks that our Ramble was very nearly killed by a LIVESTOCK GUARDIAN DOG and our family pets, all farm and herding bred dogs. Any dog can kill, no matter how sweet and loving, it isn't a BREED specific problem. They are still inherently predators.