UPDATE ON MS.WIGGLES

[LaraP]

Ms Wiggles is starting to let us know things might not be okay with her. She is starting to show less interest in her milk. Not wanting to really get up and stay up. Also, has started a cough, has some rattling in her lungs that can be heard without a stethascope. I have the fluids and catheters here to start her on Ringers but NOT GOING TO DO IT..Nor are we going to tube feeder. Now the debate is to start her on an antibotic?? David and I are in a disagreement on this one. We both agreed NO HEROIC MEASURES.. We also have the meds here to humanly put her down David and I have talked this one over for sometime. I don't agree with the antibotics, he does. Please don't misunderstand.. I am not cold hearted, I love this little girl, but I WILL NOT support her in any other means, then just the neccesities, ie feeding her. If she refuses her next feeding, and won't stand on her own, she is telling me okay, I gave it the ol college try and no longer fighting to be here so I must go now, then I will have my answer.

I am sure alot of you will be down on me for this, but I will NOT PROLONG suffering.

Will let you all know what happens next.

Lara

 

[carlenehorse]

OH Lara I know what you are going through. I had a little dwarf born in April and she lived for 5 days. I had to get up every 2 hours to feed her as her tongue was on the side and she couldn't bring it forward to latch on the nipple. I gave her every chance to live and she died in her sleep. I think her little heart gave out.

No one will think any less of you because we know you have her best interest at heart and don't want to see her suffer.

Sincerely Carlene

 

[dmm]

Lara,

I fully support your decision. I wish I could make this easier for you all. Know that you are in my prayers.

 

[Marty]

Lara, I'm sorry to hear she's not doing well as you hoped.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

You are the one that is there.

You see what is happening before you.

And this is your beloved baby that you already have gone the extra miles for without hesitation.

What more could anyone expect from you?

This little darlin was born to the right home to the right person that gave her a chance to live where

others may not have at all.

I'm not into prolonged suffering either of course and especially if you do not see any quality of life

for her future.

You have my support for any decision you make. And tons of hugs.

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

lara I am sorry... pneumonia is not all the uncommon in dwarfs and actually my own belief is it is aggravated by nursing .. there soft palate is just not the same as a large horse and I think lifting there head to nurse.. some goes down the wrong tube.

Sadie had pneumonia for quite a while in fact about 3 months

However your decision is yours and Davids alone and you will know what you need to do for her and you guys

The hardest part is the 2nd guessing so you have to try very hard to not do that to yourself

 

[Matt73]

This must be heartbreaking for you. I hope, if one of my girls has a dwarf, I'm half as strong as you. Stay strong.

 

[eagles ring farm]

: prayers going out for you, your family and your precious little girl

follow your heart and you'll make the right decision, no matter how hard

none of your choices are easy

so sorry, bless you all

 

[CJMM6]

I'm sorry for you Lara & the Momma. :no: Last year I had the same thing happen to me. One of my mares had a dwarf colt & below his knees his little legs were like grissle. All 4 legs were like that. This makes me cry talking about Gods Will. Thats the name I gave him. He would roll around the stall to get around but he wasn't interested in eating, not even from a syringe. I had our Vet out & my husband & I

talked it over & we decided to help him over the rainbow bridge. It is so hard but at least he didn't suffer too long. May God be with you in this time of decision making. cjmm

 

[Sterling]

Ohhh I was so sad to read the title of your thread. This has to be one of the hardest decisions ever. I would not judge anyone in your position....I'm sure you will be guided by a gentle hand that will help you and little, precious Ms Wiggles.

 

[Mona]

Lara and David, I am so sorry things are going downhill. I know you will make the right decision either way. It sounds to me like she likely has pneumonia. (((HUGS))) to both of you at this tough time of decision making.

 

[Little Bit]

Lara have you contacted you vet about this yet?

I have a feeling she has aspirated milk into her lungs and perhaps has aspiration pnemonia.

Little Bit had that, the vet put him on antibiotics and he got right over it, no biggie!

Those large braces may really be bringing her down as well, phsically & mentally! I would only brace her to below her knees, if it were me, but then I never have seen pictures of her legs yet without her braces on.

I don't mean to be rude, or judgemental.... but if your child needed antibiotics, wouldn't you automatically give them to it if the doctor prescribed them? What about a perfectly normal foal, if it needed antibiotics, wouldn't you give it them to it?.... What's the difference with this foal?

 

[iluvwalkers]

[SIZE=14pt]Lara, i am so sorry to hear she is not doing well. please remember it is your decision and no one elses, you do what you feel is best. YOU are the one with her and will know what's right. you all will be in my thoughts. Nikki [/SIZE]

 

[Danielle_E.]

I'm afraid I agree with David in the case of the antibiotics only because this is something that happens to non-dwarf foals. If it was something specific to her dwarfism then I would be agreeing with you but it is your choice and I respect that. Best wishes for you and the little one.

 

[StarRidgeAcres]

Lara,

I'm sorry Ms Wiggles is taking a turn for the worse. :no: Lord knows you and David have gone far beyond what many would have done for this little girl and others in the past. It's your decision and yours alone. Whatever you two feel is right is what is best for her. She has been entrusted to you for a reason. You and David will come to an agreement on the antibiotics and you'll both be at peace with the decision.

You all are in my prayers.

:

 

[Lucky-C-Acres-Minis]

I'm so sorry... I can't even imagine the heartbreak you're going through... Just listen to your heart and to her, she'll let you know when it's time.... (((((((((((HUGE HUGS)))))))))))

God Saw You
God saw you getting tiredAnd a cure was not to be,

So He put is arms around you

and whispered, 'Come With Me'

With tearful eyes we watched you suffer

and saw you fade away

Although we couldn't bear to lose you

We could not bid you to stay

A golden heart stopped beating

Hard working feet were laid to rest

God broke our hearts to prove to us

He only takes the best......

-Unknown-

 

[LaraP]

First let me say this. Her last feeding went much better. She was very hungry as she refused to eat the feeding prior. She also was more spunky and nibbled at the back of my shirt while I milked out Mama. Maybe she was tired and just not hungry the feeding prior.

Lil Bit, of course if one of my children were sick and was put on antibotics I would admister them to him. And the same goes for a normal foal. But she is NOT a normal foal. The prior feeding was a real disappointment, and with what we were observing her lack on any type of desire to stand or feed to me is a downward slide. I can't and I won't try to prevent her from dying if she is not going to eat or stand. To me that was a clear indication of giving out.. Yes she could have aspriated some milk, or maybe its her heart??? Remember, the vet did say she had a murmur. Is her little heart to weak to pump the fluids off the lungs? Right now, its all UNKNOWN. David and I talked it over, and decided to wait until the next feeding and if she is back to her ol self again we will consider an antibotic, but if she shows me again, that she is just done with all this, then no, we will not put her on an antibotic.. When a foal refuses to eat, or don't even try to stand that to me the end is coming and I won't sit and watch her lay there all nite slowly dying. She will dehydrate so fast and then the organs start to fail, I will not put her on an IV drip to keep her alive, or put a tube down her nose to stomache feed her. I truly believe Lil Bit, that those kind of measures are beyond what is fair to her or us. I am sorry that you don't agree with me but that is just how I feel. I have been there with a dummy foal, and sick foals and I won't do it again.

Jan of 2005 our son Joshua was in a HORRIBLE car crash. We at first wished so much that he would just live, no matter what we were left with. A VEGETABLE or whatever. Looking back now, and knowing what I know now, it was a true blessing that God took Joshua. It is a whole lot better than lying in bed hooked to a ventilator, not able to talk and in some cases not to eat.. No thanks.. Joshua is were he belongs and that is with our Lord.

Sorry I got off on that subject.. I will let you's all know how the next feeding goes, I do have antibotics here that I can give her if we decide to go down that road. Lil Bit, please don't misunderstand me. I appreicate so much all of your help and if God decides to leave her with us then I will need more of your help. But I won't or can't watch her lying there dying. Its not fair and I owe her that much

Lara

 

[REO]

Bless her heart. And yours. All I can say is I'm hoping for the best. {{{{Hugs}}}}

 

[tagalong]

I'm afraid I agree with David in the case of the antibiotics only because this is something that happens to non-dwarf foals. If it was something specific to her dwarfism then I would be agreeing with you but it is your choice and I respect that. Best wishes for you and the little one.

Agreed. This is where I would stand as well. I would do anything I would do for a normal foal - including the antibiotics. And have. She has already shown that she is a fighter - and I do not think the antibiotics would be considered an extraordinary measure here. It is simply NORMAL procedure and par for the course for an aspiration pneumonia.

I am not sure I would hold off on them though - that may be all she needs to get going again.

Howver - I am not there. You are. And you know what is best....

 

[Little Bit]

Well, Lara I am tickled to hear that Ms Wiggles was acting better at he last feeding! :aktion033:

Bless her little heart. I am keeping her in my thoughts and prayers.

I'm terribly sorry to hear about you loosing your son, I can not imagine how devastated you and your family must have been Hon.

 

[sedeh]

I'm glad to hear Ms Wiggles is doing a little better. She sounds like such a sweetheart!! :bgrin I'm sorry you and David have to go through this though.......sounds like you've been through enough already! You seem like a very sensible person and I know you'll do what's right for Ms Wiggles. Take care.