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[RockRiverTiff]

Like Sue and Sandy, I tell other interested parties the sale is pending, but continue to provide them with all information and pictures requested.

And I too have been burnt by people using their children! Now is a really bad time for me to even talk about it, but suffice it to say if I were you I would consider myself and my horse lucky to have ended my relationship with such unreliable people before more serious steps were taken. Good luck--I'm sure you'll find your mini a good home soon!

 

[backwoodsnanny]

Well we have only sold two horses so far but I did just what others have done I waited for a deposit before I considered the horse sold and made a contact list assuring others who were interested that I would call them if the sale did not progress. Also I have recently been on the other end of this made a deposit and after the deposit chased down transportation which to come to Maine in winter is not easy to do but found out 4 days before the animal was to be transported that the owner had lied to me and I literally was getting into a rescue situation an animal who had not had feet done in a year and who may also have been foundered. Also the seller bad mouthed the previous owner saying things I knew could not be true sooo yes I backed out of the deal and lost my deposit. I dont believe in sending good money after bad and this ladies story after some scrutiny just did not ring true. That said we almost always buy long distance and cant just go see the horses so have to rely on what owners say and believe me not all owners are honest. I try to stick with those that I get a feeling for honesty after talking with them. In this case I never talked to the lady my daughter did but she contradicted herself at every turn so we decided it wasnt worth taking the chance. She didnt even want a contract which should have been a red flag in the first place. Though I could not afford the lost deposit I really couldnt afford to have animals with extensive vet needs either.

 

[Buckskin gal]

What happens sometimes is the buyer is too quick to say they want the horse ...not allowing themselves time to think about it or do the research they should. They then gather more info and realize it is not the horse for them or the cost is more than they realy want to pay. Hasty decisions in selling or buying is not good and I think it happens too often. Neither the buyer or seller should feel they have to have an instant buy/sell agreement. I have found that the first buyer is not always the best buyer and it isn't that mportant to me to have a horse sold in just a few hours. I sure wouldn't consider the horse sold until money is received and even then thigs can go haywire!

: Different ways work or don't work for different people. I am one that likes to see all communication through emails and not crazy about talking on the phone because some people are just good at talking and saying anything to get what they want. Quick sales just does not allow time for the buyer to give serious thought to what they are doing and quick sales does not allow a seller to give thought to if it is the right home for the horse. Lots of ways to look at things...think we learn as we go and one thing we do learn is a horse isn't really sold until the buyer pulls out of the driveway with it after it has been paid in full.

: Mary

You are putting a horse for sale up on the salesboard (thanks ML ;-))

and within a few hrs you got tons of replies. So you start mailing pictures and pictures and information and pedigrees. One says..I COMMIT..will mail downpayment. Fine. you tell everybody "SOLD"

Still want more pictures..every angle possible. You make a contract and mail it.

Now 9 days later..there comes this email. Sorry can't afford her. :no:

By now your other potenial buyers have bought somewhere else. Nobody gonna wait around.

How can we avoid this ?????????????Why do people act before they think? I think it is very WRONG.

Can you tell I am irritated? :bgrin

 

[PaintedPromiseRanch]

i guess i have been lucky so far, but one thing did happen to me that might be important to someone buying or selling with payments... we did a deal with a guy who wanted a jack but didn't want him on his property... so we were partners. we paid for the jack and kept him at our house and paid for everything... in exchange our partner gave us a mare we had been wanting (and her colt which we planned to sell), and the deal was that we would breed her to the jack and he would at some point get his choice of two mule foals, and be able to breed to the jack, but we would be 100% responsible for the jack's expenses, and when the partner was done he would walk away and the jack would be ours. great deal as far as we were concerned except that no one expected the mare to die one month after we brought her home (no fault of ours thank God, just one of those things where they get sick and there is nothing you can do). i was and am very thankful that we knew our partner well enough, and he was a decent guy, that the bottom line was well, we were out the mare and the vet money and future foals, and he was out future foals, and that's the way the cookie crumbles. he never even asked about the money from the colt we sold... it was just a sad deal all around but nobody got nasty or treated anyone wrong. he went on to breed his mares to the jack and get a batch of baby mules but not the colors he wanted (donkey genetics just don't work like horse genetics) so he is back to breeding to a horse stud and we had our first mini mule two months ago :aktion033: with hopefully more on the way for next year. and our partner was thrilled that we called him when we had our baby, he still cares about "our" jack and likes to know what is going on... he even offered to breed one of our mares that is too small for the jack to his stallion at no charge.

sorry got off track but the moral of the story is, when money and a horse are changing hands and it's not instantaneous, take into consideration the fact that it is a live animal and it could die during the deal - then what?

 

[littlesteppers]

Well..gotto tell you sometimes there are GREAT deals on the board..and if you don't act NOW you going to loose out..BUT if I don't have the money I don't have the money..period..

I even emailed sellers..wow great horse..wished I had the money. On the other hand I bought within 1 hr after the post was on the board..and I know at least 3 members from this forum inquiered about the same horse..found this out afterwards.. :saludando: you know who you are!

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[Cathy_H]

Yep because I expect everyone to be just as honest & up front with me as I am with them .................. That is until the same thing happened to us. Now I give x number of days to receive the depoist but continue to send out info & explain the situation & where they are on the list.

 

[chandab]

If someone says "I'll take it" I immediately ask for a phone number (by the way, I never never never send a contract unless they give me their phone number...I call them...and get a sense on the phone of just how serious they are, and how "qualified" they are to actually own any living thing, much less one of my horses). If they aren't willing to give me a phone number -- they don't get my horse. Period. If they have a phobia about talking on the phone -- that's their problem, not mine. I want to get a feeling about who I'm dealing with. How much they know about horses, what they want it for, etc. Emails do not give you any sense of that.

I bought my lovely little palomino filly from someone who feels like you do about a phone call first. Now, in all honesty, I'm not a big phone person, but I wanted this filly. I talked to the seller on the phone and then we did alot of e-mailing and 4 months later I brought my filly home. [why 4 months you say? - because that's when my transport could be arranged, someone both the seller and I know very well; it also allowed me to make payments before bringing her home. It worked out great for both of us, and I would buy from this seller again.]

 

[Jean_B]

Now, in all honesty, I'm not a big phone person, but I wanted this filly.

One of the reasons I require they give me a phone number and that I talk to them in person - I have been jerked around in the past by kids who were playing a SIMS game - they come across in their emails as being very knowledgeable. Without actual personal contact, you have no way of knowing if the person you are sending that contract off in the mail to is a 10 year old unsupervised kid...or a legitimate buyer. (yes - had an 11 year old girl request a contract--was able to track down the phone number from the address she gave me--talked to the parents who were not surprised...apparently the spoiled little brat did this to a lot of people...told them they needed to supervise their CHILD a little better.)

If the buyer in fact will end up being a kid --a horse for their youth program, it still is NOT legal for a kid to sign any kind of contract - they must be a minimum of 18 years of age. A simple phone call will take care of those issues.

 

[Songcatcher]

Here's my story (condensed). I put a filly on the LB auction. Greatly reduced her price due to circumstances. Auction ended and I sent invoice to bidder. After a few days, I got a reply that circumstances had come up and she could not pay for the filly and wanted to know if I would take less. I told her "no" because I had already reduced her price by nearly half. Because the auction had ended successfully (meaning there was a winning bid), I was responsible for paying the commission. Long story short, I told the woman that if she would pay the commission, I would let her out of the deal. After about a month, she finally sent it and I paid the Auction. I am now receiving payments on the filly from another party and she will soon be going to what I think will be a much better home.

I do realize that sometimes there are unforseen emergencies that come up. Sudden call to military duty, car accident, heart attack, etc. I can be understanding, but feel that such circumstances deserve an explanation. Far too often, I think people are just not serious enough in their committment.

I have also had one email me repeatedly about a horse and how bad they wanted her. Short on money and needed to sell/trade another horse first. Continue to email for MONTHS, then I see on THIS board where they have bought something else. Glad I didn't agree to hold for them. Some people need to keep their stories straight. :nono:

 

[Humhill]

Here's my purchasing story and I'm curious to see what ya'll will think about this.

I saw a horse (big) that had just been posted on a sale board and he sounded EXACTLY like what I was looking for. So, I called the girl. She said she'd had 2 different families try him that day (Tues) and someone else wanted to come see him Saturday that was really interested. So, what does that mean? Get to the horse before Sat, so you can buy it if you want. So, I go down there, try the horse, LOVE the horse. She said she had several people interested and she had one that had said she would be willing to go over the asking price. So, I go call my parents and get their opnion. I offer her $100 less than the asking price (after all, you do need to have the opportunity to negotiate, and I was going to offer the price if she had said it wasn't enough)on the spot. She says, well, let me call so and so and see what she says. Well, I have no clue who this person is. She gets off the phone and tells me that the other person said she would give $1000 more than the asking price. She had not made a deposit or anything. So, the girl that owns the horse basically says "tough luck."

Now, talk about ticked!!

For one thing, I couldn't afford that. For another, I REALLY like the horse.

From a seller's perspective, what would you do?

 

[Jean_B]

She says, well, let me call so and so and see what she says. Well, I have no clue who this person is. She gets off the phone and tells me that the other person said she would give $1000 more than the asking price. She had not made a deposit or anything. So, the girl that owns the horse basically says "tough luck."

Now, talk about ticked!!

For one thing, I couldn't afford that. For another, I REALLY like the horse.

From a seller's perspective, what would you do?

You were being "played." I highly doubt there was even a live person at the other end of the phone. She was just trying to get you to cough up more $$. Run, don't walk away from a seller like that!! There are plenty of other good horses out there.

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Humhill that is the pits.

I never and I mean NEVER fall for those pushy used salesmen approaches- to many other nice horses out there and it one doesnt work then it wasnt the one to begin with. I have found when it is the right one it all falls into place.

With my stallion Paco... I called them and they were out of town at a show ( I didnt know that) and left them a message I had seen enough I had to have this horse I wanted him. She called me back and said he did so well at the show he sold there.. I was sad but oh well what could I do .. 24 hours later she called and said the buyer had other things come up and he could me mine if I wanted him :aktion033: like I said it all fell into place so I knew he was the right one for me

 

[Lauralee]

I have held horses for people for inordinate lengths of time, only to be disappointed with lame excuses, one after the other, as to why the money could not materialize.

I have also held horses for other people who followed through on their word and were extremely grateful for my going the extra mile to make the deal happen.

It just depends on each situation! And having an open communication with the buyer, and a relationship of trust makes all the difference.

Buyers who email and ask me to hold a horse, but won't even sign their email, forget it.

Buyers who constantly change their plans, constantly turning over horses, I wonder about.

Buyers who ask all the right questions and are forthright with detailed information about their plans with the horse, well that gives me assurance that they are legit.

I form an impression of the buyer (or seller) from the very first email.....and most of the time it rings true to form.

 

[littlesteppers]

Well gotto reply..gain.. first off thanks for all the replies :saludando:

I understand that first deposit wins the horse..BUT.. :bgrin lets say you get three commitments..all want the horse..all are 1000 miles away..One is setup for paypal..BUT it was the last inquiery.

You like all the answers and plans that are emailed to you..now what?

It is quiet different to deal with people that come to your farm. I can't ask 3 people to mail a downpayment and the fastest mail wins..I can't take the paypal cause they just happened to be set up for it..and I can't expect the other two buyers to sit around and wait.. :no:

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[Lauralee]

In that case I would go by the date/time of the inquiries, and it would be first come first serve.

 

[Buckskin gal]

My decision of who gets the horse would be based upon what the buyer has to offer the horse and who would make the best owner. I think we do get first impressions even through emails but we need to know more about the buyer than who can get the money to us the fastest. Nothing wrong with asking for references of the buyer. I won't sell a horse to just anybody and have turned down sales if I feel the horse isn't right for the person or the person isn't right for the horse. After making a mistake of letting a horse go to a person who does not deserve to have horses, I try to be very careful of who gets them. I think if there is more than one person interested in the horse then the second in line won't mind waiting a day or two to see if the sale goes through and if they aren't willing to wait then maybe they really didn't want the horse that much. A little patience goes a long way. Mary

Well gotto reply..gain.. first off thanks for all the replies :saludando:

I understand that first deposit wins the horse..BUT.. :bgrin lets say you get three commitments..all want the horse..all are 1000 miles away..One is setup for paypal..BUT it was the last inquiery.

You like all the answers and plans that are emailed to you..now what?

It is quiet different to deal with people that come to your farm. I can't ask 3 people to mail a downpayment and the fastest mail wins..I can't take the paypal cause they just happened to be set up for it..and I can't expect the other two buyers to sit around and wait.. :no:

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[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

I have had that happen to me a few years back I bought a stallion sent her an email and said yes I want him.. well a few adds down on the saleboard there was the same seller selling a gelding I tell her I want him to.. she says someone else emailed her about 10 min before mine and she has first dibbs. She was sending her a video. I tell her I dont need a video and I will pay you more then you are asking she says still nope first person I have to be fair if she doest want him I will let you know-

Needless to say he went to the first person.. and a couple years later he ended up here with me and has been here since.

While I didnt really respect my tactics as a buyer (although I knew I needed this horse) I did respect hers as a seller and in the end purchased 3 more horses from her as I knew I could trust and respect her.

As for the horse well like I said before when it was right it fell into place and home to us he came and in reality a better and more trained horse then he was prior so it all worked out for the better

 

[vvf]

Humhill that is the pits.

I never and I mean NEVER fall for those pushy used salesmen approaches- to many other nice horses out there and it one doesnt work then it wasnt the one to begin with. I have found when it is the right one it all falls into place.

With my stallion Paco... I called them and they were out of town at a show ( I didnt know that) and left them a message I had seen enough I had to have this horse I wanted him. She called me back and said he did so well at the show he sold there.. I was sad but oh well what could I do .. 24 hours later she called and said the buyer had other things come up and he could me mine if I wanted him :aktion033: like I said it all fell into place so I knew he was the right one for me

Lisa,

I just have to say...i had run across Paco when he was for sale and i just couldn't catch the owners at home.

I had every intention of buying him myself.

Then the next thing i knew...You bought him.

So i just wanted to say congradulations!!! You got a nice boy there.

 

[lilhorseladie]

I think that is just part of the business sadly enough. You want to truct people and then get kicked in the head

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

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Lisa,

I just have to say...i had run across Paco when he was for sale and i just couldn't catch the owners at home.

I had every intention of buying him myself.

Then the next thing i knew...You bought him.

So i just wanted to say congradulations!!! You got a nice boy there.

thank you so much! Tell ya what if he ever needs to find a new home I will make sure to let you know

Thanks again! :aktion033: