What do you think

[Horse Feathers]

What do you think of the World Class Miniature Horse Registry, good, bad, or indifferent? Also would you have only AMHA or hardship all A's to AMHR.

 

[JanBKS]

Well since they never sent me my papers BUT they took my money, even after several emails and phone call I never got anything, they are not on my list as far as a real registry, besides they only have a few shows in certian areas, not a good thing, If I ever get a horse with that reg attatched , those papers would go in the trash.

Stick with the well known registries you will be much better off.

JMHO

Jan

 

[targetsmom]

I never had any interest in the WCMHR so have no comment on that. But I did hardship one of our future broodmares into AMHR so that ALL of our breeding stock are triple registered - AMHA, AMHR, and PtHA. Around here (and I am sure in other places too) Pinto shows are plentiful and very popular and people LOVE their award structure, so we think having PtHA registration is a big plus.

 

[Keri]

I only register with the clubs that offer shows around me. I have horses eligible for WCMHR and PtHA, but since no shows are offered around my area for those clubs, its a waste of money for me. Most members look down on the WCMHR (kind of a catch all place to register unregistered minis). But I could care less. I might register a sale horse with the PtHA if they were eligible. Seems that extra tag is a selling point to some people. But so far, all mine are either AMHA, AMHR, or ASPC.

 

[midnight star stables]

Crap

I'd never buy a WCMHR horse only. I wouldn't consider it ligament registration. Period.

It took over 2 years to get papers on my gelding! I'm VERY glad her was AMHR too.

 

[Jill]

I do not think WCMHR papers add ANY value whatsoever to a horse. I also know they've cheated people over the years by accepting (and cashing) payment for papers yet either never sending them or sending them after a couple of years (and repeated requests). At one point, I kept WCMHR papers on all my horses in addition to their AMHA and AMHR papers. But, I got so disgusted with WCMHR, which is a business vs. a registry run by a BOD and driven (at least to some extent) by the membership... that I threw every single registration paper from them away. They're completely worthless to me and honestly to 99% of the miniature horse owning population. Note, I don't mean horses only registered WCMHR are worthless but that the paperwork is completely worthless. I would view any horse who only had WCMHR papers as grade, and so would the vast majority of miniature horse enthusiasts.

(In other words, I wouldn't waste my time or money when it comes to registering any horse with WCMHR...)

NOW, when it comes to AMHA and AMHR, those to me are both very worthwile registries and yes, I would and have hardshipped AMHA only horses into AMHR. All our breeding horses have both sets of papers, as do many of our show geldings.

 

[Horse Feathers]

Thanks guys for all of your remarks. How hard is it to hardship a 30" mare (not a dwarf)?

 

[Jill]

I don't think it would be very hard to hardship her into AMHA. I've never handled the logistics of it, but you may want to make a post titled something like "How Do You Hardship Into AMHA?" and people who know more about it can give you some guidance

 

[Jean_B]

Thanks guys for all of your remarks. How hard is it to hardship a 30" mare (not a dwarf)?

I am assuming you mean hardship into AMHA - it's easy but spendy.

1. Send $600 and hardship form to AMHA (be sure to follow instructions regarding pics etc.)

2. After you get a form from AMHA - have a current or former AMHA director inspect (for soundness and 'worthiness') and measure the horse.

3. Pay the director for their time (required)

4. Director sends in report - you get your reg. papers.

 

[hairicane]

Dont forget the horse will need to be Dna tested and it costs $41 but is easy to do.

 

[~Amanda~]

I've never heard of the WCMHR before, but it doesn't sound like many people have had good dealings with them at all.

 

[SilverDollar]

Dont forget the horse will need to be Dna tested and it costs $41 but is easy to do.

What will the DNA test show and how is it used by the registry?

Thanks.

 

[Kawgirl]

I have never had a problem with them and I have registered about a dozen horses with them in the last 10 or 11 years. I fact Sandy called me today because I had emailed her a question and she could not get my email to work to answer. And she let me know that she had recieved the papers that I mailed in last week. I know she does not have a lot of help running the registry, and that is probably why some people have had problems. Has anyone that lives near her ever offered to help out? I hope that things will work out with the registry because I enjoy their annual show. It's more laid back and amature friendly than the A or R shows. I don't feel like I have to have a big name horse or the most expensive tack to be able to compete. Instead of so much complaining about the registry, why not try to help out if you can. Remember AMHA and AMHR both started small and now have a lot of employees to keep things running smoothly.

 

[Horse Feathers]

Thanks Guys for all the helpful info. This place is GREAT.

 

[Minimor]

Remember AMHA and AMHR both started small and now have a lot of employees to keep things running smoothly.

How long do you expect people to wait? It's not like the WC registry is "new", they've been around quite a few years now! I very much doubt they'll ever be any bigger than they are right now.
I have nothing at all against the registry, but it's not one I will bother with--I'd never pay more for a horse that has WC papers, I'd never bother registering one with them, and if I did buy a horse that came with their papers I would chuck them out without transferring them. <shrugs> There is just no benefit in them for me.

 

[Carolyn R]

Nothing personal against them, but the overall "feeling" "ora" what ever you want to call it, is that they don't hold much clout, they have a small client base that never took off and they have not upheld their professional obligations as a registry.

For me, if someone would approach me with a horse for sale and said it was WCMR I would not treat it any different than a grade mini.

 

[Jill]

The last two replies are exactly how I feel.

WCMHR is just a business run by one person (vs. a real registry) and as far as taking off, I think they have been "in business" for about 15 years.

Besides, what do you call it when someone takes your money but doesn't give you anything in return???

As someone with only AMHA/AMHR registered horses, or as someone with the ability to hardship into AMHA, I can't think of anything much more useless than WCMHR paperwork.

 

[Jill]

And.....

I know she does not have a lot of help running the registry, and that is probably why some people have had problems. Has anyone that lives near her ever offered to help out?

I've heard this type of thing said here before and it always makes me think I should ask if anyone would like to offer to help me run my FOR PROFIT business?

Don't confuse WCMHR with a charity or with a registry run by a BOD. It is a business, for profit, owned by one person. If they can't make it work then "oh well". It's not acceptable to take someone's money and then not provide what they paid you for. It's not acceptable to wait a couple years to get paperwork out. If I ran my business that way, honestly, I would probably be in jail!

Because what you are buying (yes, buying) from WCMHR is a sheet of paper, I think some sort of feel like it's an intellectual exchange vs. a purchase. How many people would pay for an item, not get it, and figure it's because the seller just needs some office volunteers???

However, my main pet peeve with WCMHR (and Gold Seal) has nothing to do with poor management but that so many newbies are duped into paying "good" prices for "registered" horses only to find that almost no one cares about WCMHR and Gold Seal papers...