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Wowza. She sure is a beauty when her bones are not all sticking out like that. Looks like you worked wonders with that girl. Can wait to see how she does later on when she learn to trust you. I once bought a mustang that was probably 100-150 pounds under weight. When we got her she was a mellow ( or so we thought) horse. Then she started to show her true colors when we fattened her up ( didn't take to long...
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: ). Boy was that fun! :eek:
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: Well she was just a spazzy pony. She was hard to handle, mean, and we really could not ride her. When we bought her the people told us she was five. And we found out she was 20! So as you can imagine, that wasn't a happy little pony. So we gave her to a rescue farm that retrains their horses and is a Kids w/ Cancer place. So that was a nice farm to go to. :bgrin So now we have our mini. And she is just right. :eek:
 
Great work for bringing that mare back to an ideal winter weight! I too was afraid that you living in Canada it would be tough to bring her back just before winter. May I ask why you didn't post this on the main forum? I look at the photo forum once in a while but I know many dont and with whats going on about those Kansas Minis I bet people would like to here your success story of an emancipated horse. Just a thought. Could you tell us what type of food you fed her to bring her back so fast just curious. She looks beutiful and you are lucky to have her, give her time she'll come around quickly. I had a similar situation with a yearling colt that wasn't handeled and was underfed and it takes alot of time to be totally trusting now he's the sweetest horse I own. Good Luck with her! ~Jessica
 
I posted on the photo/video gallery as I thought that was where the "pictures" were to be posted - although this is more than just pictures - it is truly a story of a horse that was closer to death than I care to think about.

Just for everyone's knowledge - this is how we have fed this little mare:

She was 161 pounds when we took her into the vet the morning after she arrived here. We did blood work to make sure she didn't have any underlying disease that would cause her to drop so much weight. The bloodwork indicated that she didn't have any diseases - that she was bordering on anemic and that she was burning the muscle in her body to keep alive.

So - our vet cautioned us on over feeding. These little horses that have had such poor nutrition need a lot of TLC on their road to recovery. Our vet told us that although horses love oats - that she was not to be on oats to put weight on - that wouldn't work. She was put on a fully balanced ration made for horses - and could be switched to a ration made for foals after the first couple of weeks. We were to gradually increase the amount of ration that she was getting - day by day. We also added vegetable oil to the ration to increase the calories - again starting with about a tablespoon and gradually getting her up to a good 1/2 a cup twice a day. She was to have free choice grass hay at all times - absolutely no alfalfa. There were days when she wouldn't eat her ration - but most of the time she was very anxious when she saw the "blue bucket" coming her way. The ration that we feed is made here in Saskatchewan - we do not have access to any "miniature horse feed" like what is available in the US. If anyone would like to know the ingredients and percentages of protein, etc. - I can post that information as well.

Our vet felt that we could easily put 75 pounds on her by November. We don't have a weight scale here so I don't know how much she has put on - but from the pictures I would say that she has put lots of weight on. Our Canadian winters are brutally cold and I am so happy that she is going into winter with some extra weight on her. I have now cut her rations back to more of a maintenance amount - and have now stopped feeding the oil as I don't think that she needs it any more.

She was kept with her two friends for the first few weeks - then I moved one of the mares that was doing well out with the rest of our mares. That left this poor emaciated mare and a two year old thin mare. The two year old was really bossy and I eventually pulled her out of the pen that the two were in - simply because this little mare needed to eat her full ration every day and the two year old seemed to be getting more than her fair share. That was stressful on this mare - she was very upset about her friends leaving her and I felt so badly for her. I did try to bring a younger very laid back filly in - but that didn't make this little mare happy at all and she started to show some attitude towards the younger filly. I was very happy about her "attitude" as I felt that she must be feeling better and stronger - which she was. So - she is back to being by herself - but only a gate away from the other mares - so she can see them and touch noses through the fence with her friends.
 
Thank you for sharing the feeding regimen and the vet's precautions for this mare with us. After rereading the thread, I noticed that you had already posted other vet and dietary information on page 6. Thanks again for giving us such a good picture of your thorough care!

Pam
 
She looks just fantastic and now the beautiful mare that she was before! I can tell you that her condition was just from lack of food!!!! You have done a great job and I am sure she will settle down and come around in time. :aktion033:
 
These are the best kinds of updates! It sure warms my heart and gives me hope for all the Kansas rescues. It's wonderful to see her looking like her old self again--and it must be very gratifying for you also. I am sure just as the weight came back, her trust will too.
 
:aktion033: What an awesome job you have done with this mare, thank you for caring so much. I am sure she will come to trust you in time :bgrin

Yvonne
 
WELL I WAS INFORMED TODAY THAT I WAS THE TALK OF LIL BEGINNING.I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO SAY YES THE PICTURES ARE AWFUL-I AGREE.I WAS THE OWNER OF THIS MARE KRISTI WHEN CYNDI BOUGHT HER.I AM NOT AFRAID NOR ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT AND I WELCOME ANYONE WANTING TO TURN ME IN TO DO SO,I OWN 7 MINIATURES,IM IN LIGONIER PA AND MY HORSE FARM IS ALLSTAR MINIS.PLEASE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITIES COME TO MY FARM,ID WELCOME THEM AND SHOW THEM MY FAT MINIS!WHEN I GOT KRISTI ON APRIL 21ST TONY OF LITTLE AMERICA HAD TOLD ME THE 2 BRED MARES WERE THIN.HE TOLD ME SILVER WAS EXPECTING AND THAT HE DIDNT BELIEVE THAT KRISTI WAS EXPECTING ALTHOUGH HE HAD HER POSTED AS IN FOAL ,HE GAVE A $500 DISCOUNT ON HER BECAUSE HE DIDNT FEEL SHE WAS IN FOAL BECAUSE SHE WAS SO THIN.(YES TONY I DO HAVE YOUR EMAILS AND I DID FORWARD THEM TO CYNDI WHEN SHE ASKED ABOUT KRISTI)A DAY OR TWO BEFOR THEY WERE PICKED UP TONY EMAILED SAYING KRISTI HAD LOST HER MAIDEN LOOK SO SHE MAY BE IN FOAL BUT WAS STILL THIN.HIS EXACT WORDS COPIED FROM AN EMAIL DATED 4 -17-07 'I am really sorry that Future is so thin. In her winter hair she looked good. If I had known how bad she looked I would not have sold her. If you are unhappy with her, just have Brian bring her back. Of course, her Too Incredible foal may more than make up for her condition.'.WHEN BRIAN DROPPED THEM OFF I ASKED HOW EVERYONE WAS DOING.HE SAID THE FILLIES ARE FINE THE MARES NEED SOME TLC.SILVER FOALED THAT NIGHT EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS VERY THIN BUT NOT NEARLY AS THIN AS KRISTI.THE DAY AFTER I GOT THE GIRLS(I GOT 4 MINIS FROM TONY)I EMAILED ASKING ABOUT KRISTI'S FEEDINGS AND I THOUGHT SHE WAS DEPRESSED BECAUSE SHE DIDNT EAT MUCH AND WAS VERY LAID BACK.HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS SORRY THE GIRLS WERE THIN AND THAT KRISTI WAS IN WITH A HERD OF 150 MARES AND STOOD BACK AND WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TOTEM POOL.HIS EXACT WORDS COPIED FROM HIS EMAIL ' I am guessing you mean Future(I NAMED HER KRISTI). 'She was so low on the totem pole here in the pasture that she just stood back until everyone ate everything, I think.

Tony'

AND THAT SHE GOT THE 'LEFTOVERS' WHICH WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE NO LEFTOVERS WHEN IT COMES TO GRAIN.I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EMAIL ALL EMAILS TO ANYONE WANTING THEM AS I STILL HAVE THEM AND THEY ARE ALL DATED AND I WILL HAVE THEM COPIED AND HANDY FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY.ALSO I WILL HAVE HANDY THE RECIEPT FROM VALLEYVET SUPPLY FOR HORSE SUPPLIES AND MEDICATIONS WORMERS AND ANYYTHING I THOUGHT MY MINIS WOULD NEED,IT IS OVER $1000 JUST FOR THE ONE RECIEPT ALONE WHERE I ORDERED ALOT OF SUPPLIES(FOALING SUPPLIES,WORMERS,CALCIUM SUPPLIMETS,ETC).I HAVE MANY RECIEPTS FOR WORMERS,HARNESSES AND ANYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED!I DO BELIEVE I SENT CYNDI A COPY OF THIS AS WELL.I WANTED HER TO KNOW THAT I DID AND DO WORM MY HORSES EVEY 2 MONTHS AS DIRECTED BY THE VET AND OTHER MINIS BREEDERS.I HAVE PICTURES OF KRISTI THAT I SENT WITH HER PAPERWORK TO AMHA.IN THE PICTURES SHE IS VERY THIN JUST AS TONY SAID SHE WAS AND HER BONES WERE STICKING OUT SO WE DIDNT REALLY THINK SHE WAS IN FOAL.ON JUNE 8TH KRISTI HAD A COLT IN THE PASTURE.WE WERE SHOCKED BECAUSE SHE DIDNT SHOW AT ALL SHE WAS JUST SO THIN.THAT WAS ONLY 6 WEEKS AFTER WE HAD GOTTEN HER.I ACTUALLY THOUGHT SHE WAS PUTTING ON A LITTLE WEIGHT BECAUSE I FED HER SEPERATELY BUT HERE SHE WAS IN FOAL.AFTER SHE HAD THE FOAL SHE WAS SO VERY THIN.WE HAND FED THE BABY SOME AND LET HIM EAT FROM MOM.SHE WAS JUST SO THIN BUT I KNOW YOU CANT OVERFEED THEM SO NO TONY SHE WASNT GETTING A LOUSY CUP OF FOOD PER DAY.I DIDNT PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR HORSES TO STARVE THEM.SHE WAS FED 3 AND 4 TIMES EACH DAY BECAUSE SHE WAS SO THIN AND I KNEW SHE WAS FEEDING THE BABY OR IN YOUR WORDS TONY AGAIN COPIED FROM AN EMAIL WHEN I ASKED ABOUT HER WEIGHT 'I didn't mean to alarm you. She's not that bad, but timid with the mares and she was in a pasture with over 150 mares! She will pick back up, healthy, just sending her "groceries" to the foal. When she doesn't have to fight for her share of the oats, I am sure that she will put on weight.

Tony' I HAD KRISTI VET CHECKED BY A VETERINARIAN THAT HAS BEEN A 'FARM VET' FOR OVER 30 YEARS-WHEN I ASKED ABOUT HER WEIGHT HE WAVED HIS HAND TOWARD HER AND SAID OHHH THEY SOMETIMES GET THAT WAY WHEN THEY FOAL I THOUGHT GRACIOUS THATS AWFULLY SKINNY BUT HE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH FARM ANIMALS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND I HAVE HAD MINIS FOR ONLY A YEAR SO WHAT DID I KNOW.CYNDI BOUGHT KRISTI IN JULY SO I HAD KRISTI FOR 3 MONTHS.WHEN I TALKED TO CYNDI ON THE PHONE I TOLD HER KRISTI WAS VERY THIN AND THAT I WAS WEANING HER FOAL AT ONLY 1 MONTH OF AGE BECAUSE HE WAS TAKING TO MUCH FROM HER.SHE SAID OH THATS OK ALOT OF MY MARES GET THIN WHEN THEY FOAL.WITH EVERYONE TELLING ME OH THATS NORMAL WHAT ELSE WAS I TO THINK?I GAVE THE WORMERS,FED HER AND I CARED FOR HER AND DID EVERYTHING I WAS TO DO FOR HER.WHEN CYDI CONTACTED ME SAYING SHE WAS VERY UPSET WITH HER WEIGHT I KNEW THEN THAT KRISTI WAS INDEED IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN ANYONE LET ON.OF COURSE I COULD SEE WITH MY OWN 2 EYES THAT SHE WAS VERY THIN BUT WITH THE VET SAYING OH THEY GET THAT WAY AND THIS BEING MY FIRST YEAR FOALING I THOUGHT THAT SOME DID INDEED GET VERY THIN LIKE THIS WHICH YES I THOUGHT WAS TERRIBLE.NOW AS FOR THE OTHER MARE 'STAR' THAT CYNDI GOT. I SENT HER THE EMAILS FROM KEVIN DRAYS WHO I GOT STAR FROM THAT SHE WAS ALSO THIN OR AS KEVIN PUT IT 'CONDITIONED' HE SAID SHE ALWAYS STAYS CONDITIONED.HIS EXACT WORDS FROM HIS EMAIL WHICH WERE COPIED(THANK GOODNESS I HAVE ALL OF THESE EMAILS!)'STARSTRUCK IS 33.25''-SHE IS A HORSE THAT ALWAYS STAY IN SHOW CONDITION-WE HAD THE VET CHECK HER JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH HER-SHE JUST STAYS IS SHAPE ALL THE TIME--WE DID BLOOD WORK AND SHE CAME BACK PERFECT AND NOTHING WRONG THE VET JUST SAID SHE IS A HORSE THAT JUST STAYS IN SHAPE .' STAR WAS ACTUALLY A FEW POUNDS MORE WHEN I SOLD HER THAN SHE WAS WHEN I GOT HER.I DONT FEEL AND KEVIN DIDNT FEEL AND THE VET DIDNT FEEL SHE WAS 'THIN' AT ALL.I OWNED STAR FOR 2 MONTHS....DUTCH THE LAST GIRL THAT CYNDI GOT WAS WITH ME FOR OVER A YEAR AND YES SHE WAS FAT BECAUSE I OWNED HER FOR MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS AND FATTENED HER UP.ALSO MANY OF YOU SAW HER PICTURE ON THIS FORUM AS SHE HAD A FILLY (NAMED HOPE)WHO HAD LUXATING PATELLAS AND I WAS SEARCHING FOR ADVICE IN HELPING HER.MOST VETS SAID TO PUT HER DOWN BUT I FOUND A SPECIALIST WHO DID SURGERY ON HER AND SHE IS NOW WALKING AND RUNNING.NOW DO YOU HONESLTY THINK I WOULD SPEND THOUSANDS ON A NEWBORN FILLY AND ADOPT HER OUT AT NO CHARGE AND NOT SPEND THE TIME AND MONEY IN FEEDING MY HORSES,,,PLEASE!!!!...I UNDERSTAND ALOT OF YOU JUST SAW THE PICTURES AND THOUGHT OH MY GOSH SHE WAS NEGLECTED BY THE CURRENT OWNER WELL LET ME SAY NO SHE MOST CERTAINLY WAS NOT.I DID EVERYTHING I COULD FOR HER AND TOLD CYNDI SHE WAS THIN AND HAD THE VET LOOK AT HER.I KNOW SHE WAS THIN IM NOT BLIND! DID I THINK SHE WAS NEAR DEATH-HONESTLY NO.MAYBE BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER HAD SUCH A THIN ANIMAL AND THE VET SEEMED TO SHRUG IT OFF.IF SHE WERE NEAR DEATH YOU WOULD THINK THE VET WOULD SAY OH MY WE CANT SHIP HER OR OH MY SHE IS SICK OR IN NEED OF SOMETHING...ANY ADVICE WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL BUT EVERYONE SHRUGGED IT OFF AS SHE IS THIN-THEY GET THAT WAY.IT WAS NOT UNTIL AFTER CYNDI GOT HER THAT I REALIZED JUST HOW BAD SHE WAS BECAUSE SHE HAD TOLD ME SHE WAS VERY WORRIED ABOUT KRISTI.CALL ME STUPID I DONT CARE BECAUSE SEEING THE PICTURES I GET SICK AND THINK GOSH I COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH MORE FOR HER.I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HER FOAL RIGHT AWAY MAYBE THEN SHE COULD HAVE PICKED UP WEIGHT.I DIDNT WANT THE FOAL TO BE HARMED EITHER THOUGH....WHY DID I PLACE THE HORSES AFTER HAVING THEM SUCH A SHORT TIME?BECAUSE I DIDNT REALIZE THEY ATE ALL DAY LONG AND THE PASTURE WAS GONE IN A WEEK.YES WE HAVE HAY BUT I WANTED THEM TO ENJOY GREEN PASTURES SO I REALIZED I HAD TO MANY(16 OF THEM) AND SOLD A FEW SO MY HERD WAS SMALLER.YES I TOOK A HUGE LOSS,I PAID $7500 ON BROKEN ARROW AND SOLD HIM FOR $3500,I BOUGHT ACE FOR $7500 AND SOLD HIM FOR $2500(RIGHT AROUND THERE-I CANT REMEMBER EXACTLY) WHAT IM SAYING IS I TOOK A HUGE FINANCIAL LOSS AND HATED TO PART WITH THEM BUT I KNEW IT WOULD BE BEST FOR THEM.DO YOU THINK I WOULD PAY $8000 ON HORSES AND NEGLECT THEM....NO.....I ALSO OWN A DOG KENNEL AND I AM INSPECTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE TWICE A YEAR AND BY THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB.I HAVE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT AGAINST ME AND I PASS ALL MY INSPECTIONS WITH FLYING COLORS AND WITH COMPLIMENTS!I WILL POST A PICTURE OS DUTCHESS WHO AS CYDNDI PUT IT HAD A FAT BELLY BUT YOU COULD SEE HER BACK BONES....THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN JUST AFTER HER FOAL 'HOPE' HAD HER SURGERY WHICH WAS JUST 2-3 WEEKS BEFOR CYNDI GOT THE MARES FROM ME....I HONESTLY DONT SEE 'THIN' HERE.ALL MY HORSES ARE FAT AND HONESTLY COULD ALL STAND TO LOSE ALOT OF WEIGHT.I AM INDEED SO VERY HAPPY AND THANKFUL THAT CYDNI GOT KRISTI AS SHE IS INDEED KRISTIS ANGEL SHE IS VERY EXPERIENCED IN MINIS AND WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE WHAT SHE NEEDED WHICH I WOULD HAVE DONE IF MY VET WOULD HAVE LET ME KNOW THAT SHE NEEDED SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST GRAIN AND WORMERS AND HAY AND TLC.I AM HOWEVER UPSET THAT CYDNI WOULD POST THIS AND ACT AS IF THINGS WERE JUST FINE AND THAT SHE UNDERSTOOD THAT KRISTI WAS IN THIS CONDITION WHEN I GOT HER....OH AS FAR AS A SHAVED BRIDLE PATH OR WHATEVER.....NO I DONT SHAVE MY HORSES OR WEAR HARNESSES ON THEM BECAUSE I WAS ADVISED NOT TO WEAR THEM ON THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY GET CAUGHT UP ON A TREE OR SOMETHING SO NO SHE WAS NOT SHAVED AT ALL,I DIDNT THINK THAT WAS A BIG DEAL BUT I GUESS SOME DO.I DID SHAVE DUTCHESS MANE BECAUSE SHE FOALED IN JUNE WHICH IT WAS VERY HOT HERE!SHAME ON YOU TONY FOR ADDING TO THIS POST AS IF YOU ARE NOW WORRIED ABOUT A MARE THAT YOU SENT TO ME THIN,I DO HAVE A PICTURE POSTED ON MY SALES PAGE ON MY WEBSITE THAT WAS TAKEN TODAY 11-16-2007 SO YOU COULD SEE HER!NOT TO WORRY SHE IS NOW FAT AND NOT AT THE BOTTOM OF ANY TOTEM POLE!!!!! I HAVE SEVERAL PICTURES I POSTED TODAY ON MY SALES PAGE-JUST SO EVERYONE CAN SEE MY HORSES ARE PERFECTLY FINE AND HEALTHY!NOT THAT I NEED TO PROVE MYSELF BUT I WOULDNT WANT ANYONE AND EVERYONE WORRYING ABOUT THE HORSES I GOT FROM THEM.THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME SEE THEM FOR THEMSELVES!HERE IS A PIC OF DUTCHESS AND HER FILLY-CYNDI GOT DUTCHESS ABOUT 3 WEEKS AFTER THIS PIC WAS TAKEN-IT WAS THE DAY HOPE CAME HOME FROM HER SURGERY....CYNDI CLAIMS YOU CAN SEE THIS HORSES BACKBONE?SORRY I DONT SEE IT?http://www.allstarminis.com/HOPEISHOME.jpg
 
I still don't think that mare should look like that at ALL. She was thin and it took some time for her to get that way!
 

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