Which White Pattern?

[chandab]

Ok, so which pattern would most likely have caused my Top Cat son's face white and markings?

This one was taken last week, forgot to move his forelock out of the way:



And, this one last year, it shows the rest of his white:

 

[targetsmom]

Seems like I just answered this on another thread! Do you have any hints from colors/patterns/breeding of sire and dam? Any Rowdy?? I would GUESS without knowing anything, that this was splash, but you really need to test for LWO to rule that out. There is no test for splash.

The leg white could be from tobiano.

 

[chandab]

His sire is Buckeroos Top Cat, who looks to be solid buckskin (no white) in any pics I've seen. And, his dam is Hunt House Farms Blaze of Glory, solid black with face white (I think, I didn't save a picture of her and now I can't find it on-line, and can't really remember her markings).

I did test him for LWO, he's negative.

Gosh, I don't remember posting his picture recently, but maybe I did.

 

[Riverrose28]

White socks in back, white pasterns in front, facial white? can't tell for sure if the pasterns in front are white, but look to be. I vote for sabino. Does he have any foals on the ground? I have a dark bay stallion with four white socks and blaze, throws foals with the same markings.

 

[chandab]

White socks in back, white pasterns in front, facial white? can't tell for sure if the pasterns in front are white, but look to be. I vote for sabino.

I was figuring it was probably sabino, but not sure. Yes, he has white front pasterns.

Does he have any foals on the ground? I have a dark bay stallion with four white socks and blaze, throws foals with the same markings.

Hopefully next year, he's just three this year and covering his first mares this season.

 

[Riverrose28]

Is there any pink on his lower lip, or white on his chin? Is any of the white on his legs pointing up like and upside down V or spear? Then he is sabino. Most likely his foals will be too.

 

[bevann]

A few years ago I bred a mare I bought from LTD TNT'S Angel Baby to a Top Cat bred horse.Got sabino for several generations.My studs name was Knollac Buckeroos Top Cat and produced sabino offspring for Pacific Pintos in CA.

 

[bullockcorner]

I have a very small picture of his dam, as I printed it when she was on LKF Octoberfest sale. I was interested in buying her, but didn't have enough $$$ at the time.

She had a beautiful buckskin Top Cat son on her side then. From my poor picture, looks like no leg white, but a large star and either a blaze or strip all the way down her nose to a snip. Hope this helps.

Top Cat does have a left hind sock - just on pastern. He is my favorite Buckeroo son,so I took pictures of him when I was lucky enough to visit LKF. BTW - your boy is gorgeous!

 

[chandab]

BTW - your boy is gorgeous!

Thank you, very much! I just love him.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

The face marking is typical Splash, and the back legs, too. As there are four socks I would say minimal Tobiano and minimal Splash

 

[rabbitsfizz]

White facial markings can be typical of a specific pattern - for example a blaze that is regular and descends to touch the lower lip is typical of Sabino, a blaze that is irregular, hangs to one side or the bottom of the face is typical of Splash and a broad blaze can indicate LWO- blue eyes are carried by Splash but we are pretty sure not by Sabino (there is argument on this, but it tends to be well natured!) Four white socks can mean Tobiano.

What is clear now, though, is that there is no such thing as "normal" white markings all white markings are caused by Pinto- and yes, Sabino is the usual culprit but there is a lot of Splash in Arabs and TBs and it exhibits as "normal " white markings, just as does Sabino.

So, without a test it is difficult.

Interestingly, Sabino in Appies accentuates the markings so, in spite of "pinto" being anathema to Appy breeders there is a lot of Sabino in the breed, breeders tend to ignore it or write it off as "normal" white markings!

For ages, though, it lurked in Arabs and TBs then, with a little encouragement, burst forth.

Maybe sometime in the future, when Pintaloosa is not a swear word in Appies, there will be a few surprises!!

Come onto the Equine Color Forum, Songcatcher, Chandab and quite a few more are already there, and there are a few Appy breeders as well. You would be most welcome.

http://www.equine-color.info/

 

[chandab]

Thank you for all the suggestions/ideas as to his pattern. While I know it can show quite minimally, I doubt his leg white is caused by tobiano, he tested LWO negative, so that leaves Sabino or Splash to cause his markings. Perhaps when his foals hit the ground, their markings will tell more about his markings. [My mares are pretty much solid with even less white than he has.