Why do some people sell with no papers?

[R Whiteman]

Well everyone has made some good points here. Here a few more to consider:

What do you do with the foals that are not eligible to be receive papers by the breed registries rules? There are several reasons that foals could not or should not get papers under the current rules even when both parents are registered. Would you provide papers that show age and pedigree but not register? Most states require a bill of sale or proof of ownership to transport livestock. ( Not enforced much but if you ever have an occasion to get check it could be a long day if you don't have it.)

What do you do with these foals? Get papers anyway and sell with papers for less money? Put them down so your breeding program won't be hurt ? Keep them all so they will have a good home? Sell them to someone that doesn't know any better? Sell them to a loving home with a bill of sale and copies of the pedigree and hope for the best.

I see less of a problem with colts. Just geld them before sale.

Mares?

I would agree it would be nice to sell with our without breeding rights. We have had several mares that have adhesions from foaling that would place them at major risk if breed. But we can not control what happened to the horse after it is sold. So people will breed if they choose. Maybe it is the fourth owner down the line that decides to have a baby horse so the kids can have an experience. Perhaps one could freeze brand "NO BREEDING ALLOWED" across the mare's butt before it are sold.

Just some food for thought,

Ron

 

[Minimor]

wcr--I thought (and others on here have said this has worked for them) that if the mare has died without being DNA'd, her foal can still be AMHA registered if the mare owner sends in the mare's papers & has them marked "deceased"? Will the mare owner not co-operate in this so that you can get papers on your filly?? I think this is a very lenient DNA rule that AMHA has--in our Morgans, if a sire or dam dies without being DNA'd, you are totally out of luck on registering the offspring.

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

I dont see it as being a huge issue actually. PLENTY of big horses sell with no papers they are bought for things they can do other then breed I think this becomes more of a hot button in minis since there primary reason to exisit seems to be breeding?

 

[dannigirl]

Aside from lifelong homes, I just don't know where it helps an animal to keep its papers and not give them to the new owner.What if that owner wants to show their "pet" and I do know many "just pets" that have ended up being Champions in certain performance classes, probably halter, too.

A pet quality miniature with the right talents can certainly show in many performance classes such as Jumping, Hunter, Showmanship, In hand Obstacle, Driving Classes, Liberty, etc.

I don't think it's a good idea that breeders have this method of "culling" is all.  Yeah, there are many that are born that should not be breeding, but that does not end their valuable lives and also make them ineligible or unworthy of registration.

It would be nice if the registries had things they could add to the papers such as "non breeding stock" or have a special section/note for dwarfed ones, much as they add to Gelding papers.  I really would have spayed the little mare I sold, if it were a viable option, but it wasn't, and so I have to trust in the home I sold her to.  I asked the registries about noting on her papers that she was not to be bred, however, they said they don't do such a thing.

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I did get "not suitable for breeding" put on some papers of a little stud.  He sold when he was way too young to be gelded--shortly after weaning and I feel they need to be at least nearly a year old before gelding.    All you need to do is contact the registry (AMHR) and give them a valid reason before the papers are transfered into the new owners name.

 

[alongman]

I sell all of my horses with papers but may hold them until some portion of the purchase agreement has been fulfilled. This may include gelding, completing the money exchange, etc...