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:saludando: Thank you to all for helping in this matter! It is so greatly appreciated and you going out of your way to help says so much! :aktion033: :aktion033: :aktion033:

Marty~Big missunderstanding on the donations. That is good on the return if it is needed or wanted by the donators. It is great that you all donate and for whatever cause necessary. I would too, if I had it! The best to you ALL!

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No, I didn't say that & sorry if the post led you to think that. I believe Virgina stated eariler that if we do not get custody of these horses those donations that were ear marked for this rescue will be returned.
 
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As I mentioned earlier, we are going to need foster applications on record for all of you that have been so generous to open your home to these rescues. We will be waiving the membership fee and will not be requiring any written references. We will however need the applications filled out and forwarded to Shannon Hobbs, our secretary, at [email protected] as soon as possible. You can get this application from our website www.chancesminihorserescue.org in the left-hand column on the home page under "Foster Application". You should be able to download the application, fill it out and send it to her via email. Please make sure you include your vet's name and contact number! Shannon and Marty will be contacting them for a reference by phone. Feel free to send photos of your place if you have them, however they are not required either.

If you are already a member of CMHR, please drop Shannon a line telling her that you are already a member and just verify your vet's name and number with her.

Whether you have contacted her about fostering yet or not, we need this paperwork on all foster homes. We have to obtain and keep proper paperwork on all horses in our care. This includes where they will be going. Even though we are having to wait and wait some more, getting this part out of the way will expedite matters when we get the go ahead.

Thank you again for your help and we will be in touch as soon as we hear anything.

Oh, also can all the people who will be Fostering, please tell us how many you are willing to Foster. We need a count so we will know how many minis we can take out. Thanks again,

Ginny
 
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So Ginny, at this time, your "foster application" post pertains ONLY to those living in Kansas? Is this correct?
 
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I have sat on my hands but......you are so right. Regardless of what "we" think in this country we are innocent until proven guilty and DUE PROCCESS is our legal right. If the sheriff and vet have concluded they are not in dire immediate need then they MUST give him the opportunity to fix the situation, this is the law, this is what makes our country different from many others. If he is given this opportunity he can take some to auction to recoup money, he has alot of horses from the sound of it and I am guessing they are part of his income. I may not agree with what I have seen in a handful of pictures BUT this still does not give me or any other person the right to form a lynch mob, really that is what this has become to some extent. This man has rights related to his property and yes people animals are still property. I am not heartless I feel the person in this situation needs to be helped as much if not more than the animals. We need to care about humans as much as we do animals. If we put animals ahead of humans we start sounding very much like PETA........anyone think we should get them involved? They would happily come in and destroy all the skinny mini's and use this as a reason NO ONE should be allowed to breed.

I feel we need to think before we run off half cocked no matter how horrible the circumstance, there are elements in society that would be happy to see the end of all domestic animals and if we are not careful we are only furthering their agenda.

I guess I'm a little puzzled by a few things.

We know that at least some of the horses are pathetically thin. Thin is an understatement. Starving seems like a better word. But are all the horses in this condition? Or are there some that are still in good/decent/okay shape? If some are starved and others are okay, can all be confiscated?

There are 53 horses too many for the number of acres. Are there 53 seriously underweight horses, or will some of the 53 that are removed be in at least reasonably good shape yet? Can horses be taken by a rescue even if they aren't in poor condition? Just curious, because here if someone had too many horses for the property size, they would get a letter from the municipality pointing out that there are too many animals and a certain number must be removed by a specific date. A rescue could not just come and take them. If the animals were not removed by the specified date, then authorities could come & remove them--and they would have to be sold and the money--less impound fees--would have to be turned over to the owner.

If there were starving horses on a property here, authorities would come in & try to work with the owner and get things back on track. If there were too many animals for the property size, and if the horses were starving, they would be removed, fostered & probably sold, again with expenses being paid and then the balance of the sale price going to the owner. If authorities were to find that the owner was not co-operative in caring for the animals under supervision, then steps would be taken to remove the animals. Or, if the animals were in imminent danger--as in, animals already down, or animals so weak that they were likely to go down any time--the animals would be removed immediately. Our Animal Care Act does provide for animals in immediate danger to be removed and cared for. Otherwise, though, authorities try to work with the owner. If it were found that the owner was not in physical or mental shape to be able to care for the animals, assistance would be given to him to care for the animals and find new homes, whether by selling or giving them away. If the owner were not capable of making the decision to give away the animals or to agree to selling them, attempts would be made to locate family members that may be able to make the decisions, or else a court order would have to be obtained.

I've not yet read anything on here that tells us each & every horse in this instance is in the skin & bones condition of those shown in the posted photos. If some, or even the majority, of the horses are in much better condition I guess I do need someone to explain how a rescue can just go in, take every one of them, and leave the owner with absolutely nothing to show for it.

Someone please tell us--are all the horses as bad off as those in the photos? Or are some in better condition? If so, how much better is better? A little better, quite a bit better? Are any in "good" condition?
 
No problem FMC, we all appreciate your interest.

Mona, Ginny probably went to bed but I'll probably go over her house tomorrow as soon as I can. She moved here only 10 minutes away from me! We are accepting applications from everyone no matter where you live right now even though the horses must reside in Kansas for the moment, until we know more, so anyone can apply, please do!
 
Thank you Marty.
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I just had a phone call from a vet's office in KS!! They are donating 90 doses of vaccine (that includes tetanus) and 300 doses of an oral Ivomec!!! So, should these be needed, we now have them available!!! :aktion033: What a wonderful gift from these vets! Thank you to all for donations large and small to help these miniature horses! They are depending on us!!
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Peggy

Alba Hurst Miniature Horse Ranch
 
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That is wonderful news Albehurst. Can you collect these donated items and keep them at your place till they are needed? But not right now, we still have to wait to see if or when they are released to us. But as soon as we know it would be great to have all that available to us. What wonderful Vets! Now if we just could get some to donate their time......!!!!!

Ginny

Oh and Marty was right about out of State Fosters, please get your Foster applications in. There are not enough homes available in Kansas and I'll try to ge the State Vet to possibly release some of the minis to out of staters. I can only ask but that won't happen till I am there in person.

Ginny
 
I talked with another farrier friend that i call in when we need help and he has also offered his services and if there is hay to be donated in Northeast OK or KS he will pick it up and deliver it.

So D & D Farrier service is standing by for the call and we will be there. If more farriers are needed i can make more calls. Mike called it FARRIERS UNITE i thought it fit for the cause

are halters needed and such? i have alot of colt and mini halters just sitting here since i dont use them i use rope ones. ill be glad to throw them in with me

dawn
 
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I have halters also.I would be glad to ship them FED EX overnight if someone will tell me where to send them.It is nice to see so many willing to help.wish I were closer to help more in person.I already sent money and don't want it back even if it is not needed for this group it will be needed elsewhere.
 
Oh sure!! Give em their rights without the responsibilities that go with them. :eek: :eek: Reminds me of all the people who thinks they have the "right" to have all the kids they want but then when it comes to the responsibility of feeding, giving them medical care, teaching them right from wrong etc. they make it someone else's job!
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: I don't know anything about PETA but I do believe it will be irresponsible animal owners that will cause tougher laws to be enacted. ALONG WITH OWNERSHIP COMES A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITES BUT SOME PEOPLE THINK THEIR RIGHTS COME FIRST WHICH I THINK IS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE! My heart does break for those little horses and I would put them ahead of a person who has allowed them to get into that sorry condition. That man is capable of speaking for himself, those little horses aren"t. :no: :no: JMHO Mary

There are Kansas laws for animal abuse and he is a lawbreaker just for the fact alone that he had 53 more horses on the property than isallowed. And isn't it obvous he wasn't feeding and watering these minis because if he had been, would there have been the need for the Sherrif to have hay and water brought in?

Read the Kansas laws on animal cruelty. I believe it even says that animals can be put down if there is an overpopulation of them! :no: If everyone would assume their responsibilits of ownership there wouldn't have to be all theses laws and if we try and educate more people to be responsible owners we won't have our rights taken away along with theirs. I will always be an advocate for those who can't speak for themselves...animals and children alike. Mary

http://www.kansas.gov/kahd/laws/animal_cruelty.shtml

I have sat on my hands but......you are so right. Regardless of what "we" think in this country we are innocent until proven guilty and DUE PROCCESS is our legal right. If the sheriff and vet have concluded they are not in dire immediate need then they MUST give him the opportunity to fix the situation, this is the law, this is what makes our country different from many others. If he is given this opportunity he can take some to auction to recoup money, he has alot of horses from the sound of it and I am guessing they are part of his income. I may not agree with what I have seen in a handful of pictures BUT this still does not give me or any other person the right to form a lynch mob, really that is what this has become to some extent. This man has rights related to his property and yes people animals are still property. I am not heartless I feel the person in this situation needs to be helped as much if not more than the animals. We need to care about humans as much as we do animals. If we put animals ahead of humans we start sounding very much like PETA........anyone think we should get them involved? They would happily come in and destroy all the skinny mini's and use this as a reason NO ONE should be allowed to breed.

I feel we need to think before we run off half cocked no matter how horrible the circumstance, there are elements in society that would be happy to see the end of all domestic animals and if we are not careful we are only furthering their agenda.

I guess I'm a little puzzled by a few things.

We know that at least some of the horses are pathetically thin. Thin is an understatement. Starving seems like a better word. But are all the horses in this condition? Or are there some that are still in good/decent/okay shape? If some are starved and others are okay, can all be confiscated?

There are 53 horses too many for the number of acres. Are there 53 seriously underweight horses, or will some of the 53 that are removed be in at least reasonably good shape yet? Can horses be taken by a rescue even if they aren't in poor condition? Just curious, because here if someone had too many horses for the property size, they would get a letter from the municipality pointing out that there are too many animals and a certain number must be removed by a specific date. A rescue could not just come and take them. If the animals were not removed by the specified date, then authorities could come & remove them--and they would have to be sold and the money--less impound fees--would have to be turned over to the owner.

If there were starving horses on a property here, authorities would come in & try to work with the owner and get things back on track. If there were too many animals for the property size, and if the horses were starving, they would be removed, fostered & probably sold, again with expenses being paid and then the balance of the sale price going to the owner. If authorities were to find that the owner was not co-operative in caring for the animals under supervision, then steps would be taken to remove the animals. Or, if the animals were in imminent danger--as in, animals already down, or animals so weak that they were likely to go down any time--the animals would be removed immediately. Our Animal Care Act does provide for animals in immediate danger to be removed and cared for. Otherwise, though, authorities try to work with the owner. If it were found that the owner was not in physical or mental shape to be able to care for the animals, assistance would be given to him to care for the animals and find new homes, whether by selling or giving them away. If the owner were not capable of making the decision to give away the animals or to agree to selling them, attempts would be made to locate family members that may be able to make the decisions, or else a court order would have to be obtained.

I've not yet read anything on here that tells us each & every horse in this instance is in the skin & bones condition of those shown in the posted photos. If some, or even the majority, of the horses are in much better condition I guess I do need someone to explain how a rescue can just go in, take every one of them, and leave the owner with absolutely nothing to show for it.

Someone please tell us--are all the horses as bad off as those in the photos? Or are some in better condition? If so, how much better is better? A little better, quite a bit better? Are any in "good" condition?
 
bevann

Please send the halters to me. I will be driving there just as soon as the OK is given.

Virginia St Pierre

90 Clendenon Road

Spencer, TN 38585

Thank you,

Ginny

Anyone that can send leads too, it will be appreciated. I don't care what shape they are in as long as they are usuable.

Ginny
 
Ginny,

Gini is having the first ones I sent to her, sent to someone who will take them there if needed I believe. I have some additional halters I can dig up, and some additional leads. Would you like them sent to you now? I can get them in todays mail.
 
Geri, that would be great, Thank you

Ginny

Virginia St Pierre

90 Clendenon Rd

Spencer, TN 38585
 
Ginny-

I won't be actually going to Unionville- would you like me to have the vet's office ship the supplies to you so that you can take them with you to KS? The vaccine must be kept cold. I suppose we need to get 'official' word first, however. Let me know how this would best be handled.

Peggy

Alba Hurst Miniature Horse Ranch

www.albahurst.com
 
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Good morning people!

More foster homes please!

More foster homes please!

Send those applications in asap to Shannon please!
 
Geri, that would be great, Thank you

Ginny

Virginia St Pierre

90 Clendenon Rd

Spencer, TN 38585
I have some halters that I already offered to donate, I can put them in the mail tomorrow if you think they will get from MT to TN in time for you to take them with you (I'll send them priority).

Chanda
 
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