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[Mona]

"I think some here simply have no idea what it can be like for some older people. "

Don't know who you were referring to as not being aware of what it is like for the "older" people but I do know that my hubby and I are those "senior citizens" so I think I can speak up about being older. Being older does not relieve us of our responsibilities of caring for what we choose to own. It does not relieve us of following the laws either. As older people we should definitely have more knowledge from living to know right from wrong and it is just plain wrong to keep animals and allow them to come to look like those in the pictures!

If I allowed my horses to come to look like that, no matter what reason, I would expect sympathy from no one and would not deserve it. No matter what a persons age is,they should be held accountable and not be breaking the laws and if they break the laws there are consquences to pay. We don't know if this guy has dementia or anything else other than we were told he has had some heart problems. IF he does have dementia, all the more reason to have the horses taken out of there. The problem with excusing a person who owns horses of allowing them to get that malnurished is any one can then come up with the excuse for neglect and animals will continually suffer and/or die. We do have responsibilities even when we are old and we can make excuses for our age but we should not take on more than what we can appropritely care for and then expect sympathy...yea it is no fun getting older but that is a fact of life that we have to deal with . It is something we get from wanting to live so long! Be kind to all,but don't allow anyone one young or old to mistreat, neglect, or abuse something that totally depends on you for it's survival. Mary

:aktion033: :aktion033: :aktion033: VERY WELL SAID Mary!!

 

[Marty]

nevermind

 

[EMB]

Minimor that is an excellent perspective. :aktion033: I think folks need to let go of the need to condemn/punish. Mr. Trembly seems to have a long outstanding history with his little horses and it's not unreasonable to view this as a bad thing that has happened to a good person and his horses. We don't have to condemn Mr. Trembly in order to ache for those little horses and then carry on and do what needs to be done for them. I am quite sure there is a whole lot about this situation that is not known and indeed may never be known. As Marty so aptly said, "it is what it is".

 

[AppyLover2]

I guess all most of us can do now is wait. Hopefully, like Minimor said, the sherriff will be successful and the horses will be surrendered.

I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like for someone to come to my door and tell me I had to give up my (you can insert anything here). To take it even further I also can't imagine what it would be like for a bunch of strangers to come on my property and start taking those things. How would I know they'll be better off?.....just because those people say so? I honestly don't know what my reaction would be.

I think those heart breaking pictures in the first post are only the beginning of a gut wrenching experience.

Perhaps we should all pray, to whatever higher power we believe in, that the sheriff can convince Mr. Trembly that giving his horses up is in his best interest as well as theirs.

 

[virginia]

Well said Marty, thank you

Ginny

 

[MBennettp]

I have a question. If he gives them up voluntarily to CMHR, do they still have to fostered in state or will CMHR be able to foster some of them in other states?

Mary

 

[FMC Minis]

I guess all most of us can do now is wait. Hopefully, like Minimor said, the sherriff will be successful and the horses will be surrendered.

I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like for someone to come to my door and tell me I had to give up my (you can insert anything here). To take it even further I also can't imagine what it would be like for a bunch of strangers to come on my property and start taking those things. How would I know they'll be better off?.....just because those people say so? I honestly don't know what my reaction would be.

I think those heart breaking pictures in the first post are only the beginning of a gut wrenching experience.

Perhaps we should all pray, to whatever higher power we believe in, that the sheriff can convince Mr. Trembly that giving his horses up is in his best interest as well as theirs.

: I had a suggestion that was emailed to me...

What if he is asked to sell his minis (at the salebarn {where the volunteers could be present} or when people get there offer him so much for a group)? Then he would atleast get some cash for them and they technically would be owned by the buyer. No surrender backfires would be a possibility then.

I Think it isn't a bad idea myself. I know it is hard to decide how to go about this, but true if the sheriff would mention that he is actually going to get a little for each horse then he may be more willing. Our first intention is getting the horses, this may help that happen more quickly.

 

[Jean_B]

I hope that those who have been singing phrases about how horrible this man was never have to deal with the ravages of old age.....may you slip into your next life without all the fragilities that old age often inflicts on your body...and mind. Having known people who imagined that the US President had broken into her apartment, who were found in the middle of the street buck naked in the middle of the night, who went from knowing their sons and daughters to not having a clue to who those people were when they came to visit, I hope and pray none of you ever have the misfortune of being a victim of these debilitating conditions. These people did not know when they rounded the corner from sanity (by whose definition??) to that dark place where their minds no longer functioned normally. They truly thought THEY were the sane ones and everyone else was nuts. A little compassion here!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all (hopefully) growing older.

 

[virginia]

Unfortunately even if he just gives them all up to CMHR, they still cannot leave the State until the Vet will give them a Health Certificate. Possibly after they have been fostered for a while they will be able to get healthy enough to get those certificates. Until then, they stay in Kansas. Wish it were different, but that's the way it is.

To FMC Minis

Buying them at Auction is not a bad idea, but money is tight and donations are not coming in so I'd rather use what money we have for food and care of the minis. If the donations pick up, it might be possible.

Thank you for all your suggestions.

Ginny

 

[FMC Minis]

Unfortunately even if he just gives them all up to CMHR, they still cannot leave the State until the Vet will give them a Health Certificate. Possibly after they have been fostered for a while they will be able to get healthy enough to get those certificates. Until then, they stay in Kansas. Wish it were different, but that's the way it is.

To FMC Minis

Buying them at Auction is not a bad idea, but money is tight and donations are not coming in so I'd rather use what money we have for food and care of the minis. If the donations pick up, it might be possible.

Thank you for all your suggestions.

Ginny

I knew the money for that was going to be the issue. Just a concerned mini lover contacted me with what she would feel if she had to let go of half of hers and all the loss in cost and care she would be out (course her's are in better shape). Thanks for the consideration if it is possible. She did tell me she would be willing to offer him(when the time comes) $50 to $100 for a few minis to help him and lower his numbers.

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Thanks Ginny!

 

[albahurst]

In response to the suggested dust for external parasites--I am not sure it also covers lice? If not, then Durasect II liquid, 5 ml poured down the spine of the mini, is what our vet has recommended for lice. Can be used on pg mares too. If one mini has the lice, then all other minis which have been in contact should also be treated. This amt of Durasect II can be repeated in 28 days if it is a bad case of lice.

Hope this is helpful.

Peggy

Alba Hurst Miniature Horse Ranch

 

[Mona]

I hope that those who have been singing phrases about how horrible this man was never have to deal with the ravages of old age.....may you slip into your next life without all the fragilities that old age often inflicts on your body...and mind. Having known people who imagined that the US President had broken into her apartment, who were found in the middle of the street buck naked in the middle of the night, who went from knowing their sons and daughters to not having a clue to who those people were when they came to visit, I hope and pray none of you ever have the misfortune of being a victim of these debilitating conditions. These people did not know when they rounded the corner from sanity (by whose definition??) to that dark place where their minds no longer functioned normally. They truly thought THEY were the sane ones and everyone else was nuts. A little compassion here!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all (hopefully) growing older.

Well Jean, let me just say, that in this particular case, no one even KNOWS whether this man has a physical/mental problem that resulted in this mess. At this point it's all "what if" and PURE SPECULATION! So no, until as such time as we KNOW, tough noogies, I still feel it is a CRIME!!

 

[Gini]

I have been reading the last posts and getting a really sick feeling. This all started out helping these horses out of the situation they are in and to better loving homes. It is not about getting free horses or taking this

man's herd. This is all about helping these horses AND Mr Trembly. Mr Trembly seems to be taken care of for now but these horses are not. Please everyone let's keep the eye on the same goal. Getting help for these horses.

It seems to me the powers that be have known about this situation and had done nothing about it. Without this forum this would probably still be the case. With winter coming on I just don't want to imagine what would have happened to these horses.

Yes, it is a fact that these horses will have to be fostered in Kansas until healthy enough (I'm assuming) to be able to get health certificates to transport them. This of course may change.

We do not know Mr Tremblys physical condition however, with that being said we are also concerned for him.

Some of us have gotten e-mails concerning stealing this mans herd. This is not the case! We are trying to get this herd back to health and good condition so they may have safe decent lives.

I'm sorry also I do not agree with an auction. If Mr Trembly surrenders his horses there should be no legal recourse later on concerning the ownership. An auction it seems would perpetuate the feelings of stealing this man's herd even tho the money I'm sure would go to him. As Ginny has said all CMHR fee's are waived to help these horses into a better situations. We just want what is best for these horses!

If I have misunderstood any comments " my apologies" sometimes you just have to get some things off your

mind.

 

[AppyLover2]

:aktion033: Very well said Jean!! After watching my father stand looking down into his sons casket and saying "Look at that poor fella" the fear of what may happen as I get older is very real. As someone said earlier ... There, but for the grace of God, go I.

One comment about the auction idea. What happens if the killers are there too???

Regarding health certificates. Isn't it possible that they may be able to be obtained on an individual horse or 2. Perhaps the vet saying he wouldn't issue certificates merely meant that he isn't in a position to issue 50 or 100 or 150. Wishful thinking maybe!

 

[Buckskin gal]

Ginny, When rescue horses are adopted out are the new owners allowed to use them for breeding purposes?

I hope Mr Tremebly does not insist he be paid by any person or organization that is trying to help these horses live. Also, if anyone knows for sure that Mr Trembly is in a severe mental state which caused these animals to be neglested, please let us know. From what I know, he isn't but would like to hear from others who know the situation. IF he truly has deteriated to the point of not being able to make intelligent decisions then he needs to be taken in by the Sherrif for evaluation so he too can possibly get help. I don't believe in using ones age for doing what is just plain wrong but if he is truly mentally unstable then many of us can understand. Mary

[Ginny

Buying them at Auction is not a bad idea, but money is tight and donations are not coming in so I'd rather use what money we have for food and care of the minis. If the donations pick up, it might be possible.Thank you for all your suggestions.}

Selling them at auctions is not a good idea. IF Mr Trembly is not in good mental health, as many have suggested, who knows how accurate he has been in keeping paper work correct or up to date. If one thing is a mess, the rest stands to be a mess also. Mary

Ginny

 

[Marty]

OK I'll re-post what I withdrew:

The love for the little horses of Kansas that is shown here is amazing.

What an outstanding group of people you are to rally for these little ones.

I understand the outrage that is sizzling in many posters here towards the owner, and can appreciate all the comments, but we must now accept that it is what it is and move forward and be as constructive as possible.

Please understand that we do not know what conversations the Sheriff has had with the owner. It is not his job or responsibility to make everything public to CHMR. If he can sit down quietly with this man and convince him to surrender his horses peaceably without a court fight, that is what is going to help the horses the most. We do not need this man riled up and put on the defensive any more than what he is at this point so please no more calls to the owner or the sheriff. If there is a court fight, this can take months or years and we do not want that. It is much better for CMHR to back off at this time and get in a holding pattern and let the Sheriff do his thing in his own way. He is running the show, not CHMR. Jess has established a repoire with the Sheriff so just everyone sit tight and give this more time. I know it's hard for us sitting here on pins and needles but that is the way it is.

Let's remember now that the little horses are being fed and watered right now as we speak so this is wonderful news! De-worming, teeth, feet trims etc. will come in time, but for now this is such a great start. We just have to take baby steps.

At CHMR the board meeting the other night, it was revealed that the bank account is in very bad shape considering the huge task that is before us. If every person that has posted on this thread or read it, would donate $5.00 it would be such a big help. A few have already been generous but for the most part, approximately 85% posters on this particular thread have donated zero. We need donations.

Another thing is that many people here are jumping the gun. Remember, CHMR does not have the go-ahead to lay claim to any horse yet. None. The wonderful people offering to foster are ready to build run in sheds, make new fences, and stock up on hay and feed. This is still pre-mature as of this date which I am posting. I know you want to be ready, we all need to be ready, but please do not go through large expenses of this nature until you know for 100% positive that you will be assigned a horse(s) to foster from this herd. Every foster home is being screened. Please do not feel hurt or insulted; it must be that way. Shannon is going through the list with me and you will receive a response asap from either she or I. Just hang in there with us. However, in any even that this whole thing flops (and I don't think it will) your application will remain on file for the future.

Last but not least I am the one that brought up the registration papers at the board meeting. It is my feelings that if we can get the registration papers (even if not up to date etc. ) it will help us and the horses in many ways. #1 is they would help us to some degree identify some of the horses out there. We have no idea of who's who in this large herd and the paperwork can help lead us to their true identity. With any luck we could go back to the registries and find out for instance how many foals a mare has had, or get that has been sired by the stallions etc. This could help us in finding out the correct age and background information that can help with their health reports and there might be some DNA on file too. I am also inclined to think that these horses are entitled to their birthright and pedigree and this can be a great incentive to help us place them permanently in the future. So while CHMR is on the premises with the law, that will provide a small window of time to get whatever paperwork there is available which will once again be another win-win situation for the little horses.

Things are looking up already for these little horses everyone, we just now must be patient.

Thanks and much love to all.

 

[Buckskin gal]

Donna, If what is being said by some was taken as "enlightment" or "educational" some may not have the need to get so upset with those who feel it is wrong to allow animals to become so malnurished as these and others we have seen. Any person who thinks they have the chance of becoming mentally unstable as they get older could look at what is being said and start planning that their herd never comes to what this herd has. If we use our intelligence when we are capable, we never have to fear that our minis won't be taken care of if we do become mentally unstable. There is something that can be learned from others mistakes and maybe Mr Trembly made the mistake of not planning. Should we make the same mistake or should we consider helping in the education of others to avoid the same thing? Do you want to see your herd come to looking like this if you become unable to care for them or will you make plans now so rescue organizations aren't pushed to the edge of trying to get care for them? Mary

:aktion033: Very well said Jean!! After watching my father stand looking down into his sons casket and saying "Look at that poor fella" the fear of what may happen as I get older is very real. As someone said earlier ... There, but for the grace of God, go I.

One comment about the auction idea. What happens if the killers are there too???

Regarding health certificates. Isn't it possible that they may be able to be obtained on an individual horse or 2. Perhaps the vet saying he wouldn't issue certificates merely meant that he isn't in a position to issue 50 or 100 or 150. Wishful thinking maybe!

 

[FMC Minis]

Marty Posted Today, 12:18 PMLast but not least I am the one that brought up the registration papers at the board meeting. It is my feelings that if we can get the registration papers (even if not up to date etc. ) it will help us and the horses in many ways. #1 is they would help us to some degree identify some of the horses out there. We have no idea of who's who in this large herd and the paperwork can help lead us to their true identity. With any luck we could go back to the registries and find out for instance how many foals a mare has had, or get that has been sired by the stallions etc. This could help us in finding out the correct age and background information that can help with their health reports and there might be some DNA on file too. I am also inclined to think that these horses are entitled to their birthright and pedigree and this can be a great incentive to help us place them permanently in the future. So while CHMR is on the premises with the law, that will provide a small window of time to get whatever paperwork there is available which will once again be another win-win situation for the little horses.

:new_shocked: The horses are entitled to their birthright and pedigree...these aren't humans trying to find lost relatives~they're loving creatures that don't care who their daddy is and just want a loving home. The birthright and pedigree is NOT for the horses! :no:

IF the paperwork is up to date & the horse can be identified, then maybe it can be of some use for ages, otherwise see #2 reason below.

Also stated~then it will help to figure out who is who's foal and Sire's to those foals??? Why does it matter?!

?:Are they tatooed? Because you can't figure out what belongs to who without some permanent identification. Which I doubt they have.

#1~Paperwork is only for the people who wish to have it...it is not that important for the fostering purpose or finding them good homes. (Unless the horse is to be shown or bred). In which case I think the studs should be gelded and the mares should be sold on a NO breeding policy.

#2~The age of the horses can be determined by a vet. And the gender can be found by looking.

#3~If there is NO intent to breed them, then their is NO concern as to whom sired or damed them. The breeding of a mare and how many foals she has had is also irrelevant! Per what? Knowing how much more she can be bred? I just feel that these horses are being judged by some as a free reg. animal to maybe put in their breeding programs.

~That is not the intention here...atleast not why I was trying to help the horses initially.~

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:worshippy: A horse is a horse; and is just as special without their papers!

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Some think they aren't worth anything if they aren't registered. And I feel differently.

*Per the auction note (a suggestion that was sent to me): I think that would take more to compile then time is going to allow.

I do think it would be generous to offer him some for his horses, especially the ones in good care and health.

If someone wants to offer him a curteous donation for his loss, I think that would be up to them and that would be very thoughtful too!

 

[wantminimore]

Like FMC, i'm wondering why can't the sherrif or vet talk to Mr. Trembly about selling some horses. Have the ones that are in the worst condition get taken out but have maybe a horse person near him help him out with selling some of the others so he's down to a managable number.

I know it's said that he's over on the number he can have, is there 53 that are in such bad conditions? I think if he could sell some he'd have money to feed and care for the ones he was able to keep.

Leslie

 

[Buckskin gal]

I too see it as not so important that these minis have their papers go with them as it is to see that people who want to rescue them are doing it just for the good of the horse. I did see that all rescued stallions are supposed to be gelded but I haven't found out yet if the rescued mares are allowed to be bred by their new owners or not. I think it would be a shame if the mares were allowed to be bred because these are "rescues" and should be treated accordingly. After all, we have already discussed to death the over population of minis. If people who rescue, see them as something for their breeding program I would have a hard time giving a donation to the cause. I would help out by taking one of them but we are not set up for the quarantine area that is required. Someone says that donations are not coming in very fast but I think donations have been sent via mail that have not reached there yet. I also think that some are waiting to see if CMHR gets them or not. I still don't have the information needed about whether Mr Trembly will have to pay for this disaster or if the public will. He may have all kinds of money to meet the minis needs and may want to use his money to get these horses back to healthy bodies. Just so much we don't know. If some don't donate to this cause, they too should not be judged because only they know what is right for them. If anything comes form this, I hope first, that the animals will be brought back to good health but I also hope that everyone has learned what can happen to our beloved animals without planning and good common sense. Put your money away now for their future, seek out people who would be willing to take on your animals should you become unable to. Educate yourselves and then others if at all possible. If you see these little guys as not much more than dollar signs, they very possibly will also suffer. I commend all of you that are considering taking some of these minis, if and when they become available, out of the kindness of your heart and not for any other reason. It takes money to bring a malnurished horse back to health and then maintain it....and I am glad that you have it in your bank accounts to do. Kudos to all the helpers. Mary

[ :new_shocked: The horses are entitled to their birthright and pedigree...these aren't humans trying to find lost relatives~they're loving creatures that don't care who their daddy is and just want a loving home. The birthright and pedigree is NOT for the horses! :no:

IF the paperwork is up to date & the horse can be identified, then maybe it can be of some use for ages, otherwise see #2 reason below.

Also stated~then it will help to figure out who is who's foal and Sire's to those foals??? Why does it matter?!

?:Are they tatooed? Because you can't figure out what belongs to who without some permanent identification. Which I doubt they have.

#1~Paperwork is only for the people who wish to have it...it is not that important for the fostering purpose or finding them good homes. (Unless the horse is to be shown or bred). In which case I think the studs should be gelded and the mares should be sold on a NO breeding policy.

#2~The age of the horses can be determined by a vet. And the gender can be found by looking.

#3~If there is NO intent to breed them, then their is NO concern as to whom sired or damed them. The breeding of a mare and how many foals she has had is also irrelevant! Per what? Knowing how much more she can be bred? I just feel that these horses are being judged by some as a free reg. animal to maybe put in their breeding programs.

~That is not the intention here...atleast not why I was trying to help the horses initially.~

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:worshippy: A horse is a horse; and is just as special without their papers!

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Some think they aren't worth anything if they aren't registered. And I feel differently.

*Per the auction note (a suggestion that was sent to me): I think that would take more to compile then time is going to allow.

I do think it would be generous to offer him some for his horses, especially the ones in good care and health.

If someone wants to offer him a curteous donation for his loss, I think that would be up to them and that would be very thoughtful too!