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Well I have just personally written an email(sent photos too) to CNN, BEGGING and pleading for them to help us help those horses by providing some National Media coverage. I doubt I will hear anything back, but God, I sure hope and pray I do, and that it will be GOOD NEWS for those horses!!
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What about if some Kansas people could get together like "strikers" and "picket" the streets with flyers and information of the horses, along with how their elected officials have been ignoring the problem??
 
I think at this point it's all we can do - is just make a HUGE stink and not shut up! Go Danielle go! I'm figuring out who to try and contact here, sent out one mass e-mail tonight already!!

And just remember folks - be nice to each other - we may disagree on the details, but the bottom line is we want these horses saved!!!!
 
and more...this was sitting on an old piece of junk. Doesn't look like old teeth to me.

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A mare that wouldn't/couldn't get up.

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and another mare that kept going down

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about 30 goats in a 30 by 30 pen

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As someone asked about the health certs. Even if you could get one the horses won't make it on a long trip out of state. I am only talking 1-2 hours. Not in that shape. Remember, they just rounded up 300 wild horses (not in that bad of shape) in the Elko, NV area and brought them to Palomino Valley, NV. Last I heard 130 had died from the trip and stress that caused salmanila (sp?) 100 more are still sick. The officials said it was from the change from poor range food to high quality domestic food. You are looking at the same possibly happening to these horses. This whole thing just makes me sick. I think Mr. T should be put out in a cage (cause he can get out of a pen), with no shelter and only given very little to eat or drink for the 30 days he is supposed to be fixing his horses. He isn't going to help them. I wish there was something we could do now!
 
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What about if some Kansas people could get together like "strikers" and "picket" the streets with flyers and information of the horses, along with how their elected officials have been ignoring the problem??
Now this idea may truly work and work well if those involved could do so without fear of there own safety

in fact I think it is one of the best ideas I have heard yet
 
Just curious, Has CMHR sat down and talked with Vern to see if he will voluntarily surrender some, ANY of them? I mean I know he has said he loves them, but I think someone needs to walk with him through his herd and serioulsy ask him if this is love? Have him look at the skin and bones and ask, if you truly love them, let's get them help.........If he can surrender to the Kansas foster homes,one, two, 10 , 20.......ANY it would be a start.......He needs to realize one on one care is needed for these horses NOW!!!!!!!!!! After hearing what you all have found, I am so sad. I was really hoping all along it was not that bad.........
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I know that the legal system takes forever, and these horses don't have that long.


I am wondering if someone who can really be kind, and really "talk" to him, and possibly make him see what these horses are going through. I know everyone probably is thinking how can you be kind, but you get alot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. I am not talking about by phone, it is to easy to hang up, but to make an appt with him, and see if anyone can get through to him.....And have a trailer ready if he says yes to surrendering any of them, so he can't change his mind.
 
Is it illegal to advertise for a farm?? Other than your own..
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That's it guys you got the idea exactly.

I feel there is power in numbers and we need numbers bad.

I wish Jess were here to explain to you better than me the way we got led around and the buck passed by the government in Kansas. No one would take a stand, nobody. This is what we have been up against night and day. They listen and then say thank you for calling but we cannot help you.and talk to the local Sheriff. And we explain he is not helping and they say we are sorry but we cannot help you. It's so easy for some to say do this and do that and call this one and that one but what do you think we've been doing all this time and Yes of course we have and to no avial so far it's The Sheriff and their lies and that's it. Doors slamming on us left and right so yes make noise wherever you want to.

Shannon should be here any time to post the laws on this.
 
Just curious, Has CMHR sat down and talked with Vern to see if he will voluntarily surrender some, ANY of them? I mean I know he has said he loves them, but I think someone needs to walk with him through his herd and serioulsy ask him if this is love? Have him look at the skin and bones and ask, if you truly love them, let's get them help.........If he can surrender to the Kansas foster homes,one, two, 10 , 20.......ANY it would be a start.......He needs to realize one on one care is needed for these horses NOW!!!!!!!!!! After hearing what you all have found, I am so sad. I was really hoping all along it was not that bad.........
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I know that the legal system takes forever, and these horses don't have that long.


I am wondering if someone who can really be kind, and really "talk" to him, and possibly make him see what these horses are going through. I know everyone probably is thinking how can you be kind, but you get alot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. I am not talking about by phone, it is to easy to hang up, but to make an appt with him, and see if anyone can get through to him.....And have a trailer ready if he says yes to surrendering any of them, so he can't change his mind.
Susan O. posted much earlier in all of this about having contact with Mr. Trembly. Perhaps she can help with this???
 
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Mona, We were thinking the same thing....boy would I be ready to get in on that if I lived in Kansas and I would make the protest signs also!! I would force this ol body to walk the picket line and if there were many of us we wouldn't have to worry about being thrown in jail because the jail is too little! I hope our prays are heard. mary

What about if some Kansas people could get together like "strikers" and "picket" the streets with flyers and information of the horses, along with how their elected officials have been ignoring the problem??
 
Did you take a picture of the one with the missing eye? Send that one to all the media and see if they do anything then.
 
I am sending a link to this topic with the most recent photos to every single horse rescue group I find on petfinder tonight.

I know they can't change the laws, and they have no power to seize, but boy people that are passionate about rescue are going to be MAKING SOME NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
<H1>[SIZE=18pt]Hi everyone. I have been doing some research and this is what I have found. First of all, I have highlighted in red the parts of the statutes that I believe would apply to the Trembly case. This is how I interpret the situation and I may be wrong, so please, all of you, look it over and make your own decision. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]I believe that Mr Trembly is guilty of a1 and a2 in statute 21-4310. Therefore making his punishment fall under d2 of the same statute, stating that the first conviction is a nonperson misdemeanor and the second and subsequent convictions would be felonies. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]Then in statue 21-4311, I found something very interesting that I also highlighted in red referring to the seizure of abused animals that fall under the 21-4310 statute (which Mr. Trembly's certainly would). The way I read it, the horses can simply be taken off of the property, public or private, to be rescued. It also states in section c that the guilty party will be held responsible for the care and treatment of seized animals. I realize there are many "ifs" here, but I just wanted to share one interpretation of it. There may be some hope here in these laws yet. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]21-4310[/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]Chapter 21.--CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt]PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt]Article 43.--CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC MORALS [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] 21-4310. Cruelty to animals. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt](a) Cruelty to animals is: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (1) Intentionally and maliciously killing, injuring, maiming, torturing, burning or mutilating any animal; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (2) intentionally abandoning or leaving any animal in any place without making provisions for its proper care; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (3) having physical custody of any animal and intentionally failing to provide such food, potable water, protection from the elements, opportunity for exercise and other care as is needed for the health or well-being of such kind of animal; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (4) intentionally using a wire, pole, stick, rope or any other object to cause an equine to lose its balance or fall, for the purpose of sport or entertainment; or [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (5) intentionally causing any physical injury other than the acts described in subsection (a)(1). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (1) Normal or accepted veterinary practices; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (2) bona fide experiments carried on by commonly recognized research facilities; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (3) killing, attempting to kill, trapping, catching or taking of any animal in accordance with the provisions of chapter 32 or chapter 47 of the Kansas Statutes Annotated; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (4) rodeo practices accepted by the rodeo cowboys' association; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (5) the humane killing of an animal which is diseased or disabled beyond recovery for any useful purpose, or the humane killing of animals for population control, by the owner thereof or the agent of such owner residing outside of a city or the owner thereof within a city if no animal shelter, pound or licensed veterinarian is within the city, or by a licensed veterinarian at the request of the owner thereof, or by any officer or agent of an incorporated humane society, the operator of an animal shelter or pound, a local or state health officer or a licensed veterinarian three business days following the receipt of any such animal at such society, shelter or pound; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (6) with respect to farm animals, normal or accepted practices of animal husbandry, including the normal and accepted practices for the slaughter of such animals for food or by-products and the careful or thrifty management of one's herd or animals, including animal care practices common in the industry or region; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (7) the killing of any animal by any person at any time which may be found outside of the owned or rented property of the owner or custodian of such animal and which is found injuring or posing a threat to any person, farm animal or property; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (8) an animal control officer trained by a licensed veterinarian in the use of a tranquilizer gun, using such gun with the appropriate dosage for the size of the animal, when such animal is vicious or could not be captured after reasonable attempts using other methods; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (9) laying an equine down for medical or identification purposes; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (10) normal or accepted practices of pest control, as defined in subsection (x) of K.S.A. 2-2438a, and amendments thereto; or [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (11) accepted practices of animal husbandry pursuant to regulations promulgated by the United States department of agriculture for domestic pet animals under the animal welfare act, public law 89-544, as amended and in effect on July 1, 2006. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] © As used in this section: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (1) "Equine" means a horse, pony, mule, jenny, donkey or hinny. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (2) "Maliciously" means a state of mind characterized by actual evil-mindedness or specific intent to do a harmful act without a reasonable justification or excuse. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (d) (1) Cruelty to animals as described in subsection (a)(1) is a nonperson felony. Upon conviction of this subsection, a person shall be sentenced to not less than 30 days or more than one year's imprisonment and be fined not less than $500 nor more than $5,000. During the mandatory 30 days imprisonment, such offender shall have a psychological evaluation prepared for the court to assist the court in determining conditions of probation. Such conditions shall include, but not be limited to, the completion of an anger management program. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (2) The first conviction of cruelty to animals as described in subsection (a)(2), (a)(3), (a)(4) and (a)(5) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. The second or subsequent conviction of cruelty to animals as described in subsection (a)(2), (a)(3), (a)(4) and (a)(5) is a non-person felony. Upon such conviction, a person shall be sentenced to not less than five days or more than one year's imprisonment. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (e) For purposes of this section, "animal" shall have the meaning ascribed to it in K.S.A. 21-4313, and amendments thereto. [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt] History: ch. 119, § 1; L. 2006, ch. 126, § 1; July 1. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=18pt]21-4311[/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]Chapter 21.--CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt]PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt]Article 43.--CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC MORALS [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] 21-4311. Cruelty to animals; custody of animal; disposition; damages for killing, when; expenses of care assessed owner, when; duty of county or district attorney. (a) Any public health officer, law enforcement officer, licensed veterinarian or officer or agent of any incorporated humane society, animal shelter or other appropriate facility may take into custody any animal, upon either private or public property, which clearly shows evidence of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto. Such officer, agent or veterinarian may inspect, care for or treat such animal or place such animal in the care of a duly incorporated humane society or licensed veterinarian for treatment, boarding or other care or, if an officer of such humane society or such veterinarian determines that the animal appears to be diseased or disabled beyond recovery for any useful purpose, for humane killing. If the animal is placed in the care of an animal shelter, the animal shelter shall notify the owner or custodian, if known or reasonably ascertainable. If the owner or custodian is charged with a violation of K.S.A. 21-4310, and amendments thereto, the board of county commissioners in the county where the animal was taken into custody shall establish and approve procedures whereby the animal shelter may petition the district court to be allowed to place the animal for adoption or euthanize the animal at any time after 20 days after the owner or custodian is notified or, if the owner or custodian is not known or reasonably ascertainable after 20 days after the animal is taken into custody, unless the owner or custodian of the animal files a renewable cash or performance bond with the county clerk of the county where the animal is being held, in an amount equal to not less than the cost of care and treatment of the animal for 30 days. Upon receiving such petition, the court shall determine whether the animal may be placed for adoption or euthanized. The board of county commissioners in the county where the animal was taken into custody shall review the cost of care and treatment being charged by the animal shelter maintaining the animal. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (b) The owner or custodian of an animal placed for adoption or killed pursuant to subsection (a) shall not be entitled to recover damages for the placement or killing of such animal unless the owner proves that such placement or killing was unwarranted. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] © Expenses incurred for the care, treatment or boarding of any animal, taken into custody pursuant to subsection (a), pending prosecution of the owner or custodian of such animal for the crime of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto, shall be assessed to the owner or custodian as a cost of the case if the owner or custodian is adjudicated guilty of such crime. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (d) Upon the filing of a sworn complaint by any public health officer, law enforcement officer, licensed veterinarian or officer or agent of any incorporated humane society, animal shelter or other appropriate facility alleging the commission of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto, the county or district attorney shall determine the validity of the complaint and shall forthwith file charges for the crime if the complaint appears to be valid. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (e) If a person is adjudicated guilty of the crime of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto, and the court having jurisdiction is satisfied that an animal owned or possessed by such person would be in the future subjected to such crime, such animal shall not be returned to or remain with such person. Such animal may be turned over to a duly incorporated humane society or licensed veterinarian for sale or other disposition. [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt] History: L. 1977, ch. 116, § 3; L. 1986, ch. 127, § 1; L. 1996, ch. 44, § 1; July 1. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]21-4313[/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]Chapter 21.--CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt]PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt]Article 43.--CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC MORALS [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] 21-4313. Definitions. As used in this act [*], unless the context otherwise requires; [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (1) "Animal" means every living vertebrate except a human being. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (2) "Farm animal" means an animal raised on a farm or ranch and used or intended for use as food or fiber. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (3) "Retailer" means a person regularly engaged in the business of selling tangible personal property, services or entertainment for use or consumption and not for resale. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (4) "Wild animal" means a living mammal or marsupial which is normally found in the wild state, but shall not include a farm animal. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt] (5) "Domestic pet" means any domesticated animal which is kept for pleasure rather than utility. [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt] History: L. 1977, ch. 116, § 1; April 27. [/SIZE]
 
marty, perhaps they can not seize but you can't tell me they don't know who the heck can do something about this. I don't buy it. I am looking up the law for animal cruelty as I write this. They don't have to seize Marty, they could present this infront of the proper court and have these animals removed to a rescue.
 
I will try to fill in any information I have on these minis.

1. The State Vet has been contacted. According to him this is NOT his department.

2. As far as I can tell, the only local person is Ronni, (the woman who notified us) no one else that belongs to this Forum is in within 2 hours of there.

3. According to Ronni, she has never met Mr Trembly but has been out there several times and has left notes asking him to call her so she could buy some of the minis, but she has never been called by him.

4. This is hearsay and I repeat this is hearsay, but Mr T has complained that about 60 of his minis were stolen in the last year or so. I think they may have been confascated (just my opinion). and he then

went out to an auction and had a tractor trailer load delived to his farm and turned loose.

5. Just buying or having his minis taken away will not stop him, he needs to be put in jail where he can no longer buy minis.

6 In my opinion, he is a hoarder, it is a sickness but i'M NOT GOING TO STAND BY AND LET HIS DISEASEkill those minis.l

7 and most important, please do whatever you think might work. We tried to do it the legal way and it is not helping those minis. Jess and I have to live with what we saw and I pray to God I never have to see it again. A lot of good ideas have been put forward. It is now up to each of you to put some of it into action. CMHR is not going away, we just need a lot more help. Call your friends, relatives, Gvt people, media and print news, anyone you can think of and tell the what is happening inUniontown, KS Maybe someone will listen.

Ginny
 
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