A Buckskin or Dunskin?

[heartkranch]

Okay, I found this photo of the sire. Now, check out his legs...almost looks like leg barrings.

Yep. he's a dunskin

 

[SampleMM]

Yep. he's a dunskin

Wow, I think I may faint!!!!!! I have always wanted one but never really thought about Mister being one but did think it was odd that his legs had that barring.

Here's a photo of the dam.

 

[Bonny]

I am a bit confused.... Will a buckskin NOT have a dorsal stripe?

 

[rubyviewminis]

Only the dun gene can express a true dorsal stripe. Buckskin is a bay horse with cream. Many Grulla/grullo color horses are creamy tan when under 2 years old. I am still waiting to see if my buckskin filly is a dunskin pinto. Her dam is a bay pinto, sire is a grullo pinto. Her sire carried the cream gene, she tests heterozygous for cream, tobiano, black, and agouti. When clipped last summer her cream color turned to a dark grey body color with a dorsal stripe, but no other indicators. This summer might tell the true story. There is no confirmed test for dun. With dna testing from dam and sire they can "indicate" the horse may be dun, but no gene test for dun. If there is it is new and I will have it done on her!

 

[Bonny]

My 'silver Buckskin ' Katie has a dark dorsal stripe down her back. Is it possible she is dunskin? or maybe she is a silver dun?

( she had a silver black filly sire was tested neg for silver)

I can get pics of her entire stripe.

in this pic you can see how her stripe is still dark

 

[rubyviewminis]

Yes but only if she has a dun parent, I am not sure about the genetics of having dun genes without a direct parent carrying it. My filly's dam had a red dun sire, her mother doesn't show any expressions of dun.

This is her baby picture, then right after clipping at 2 months and you can see the difference in color.

 

[Bonny]

Sorry to hijack the thread here...

But this is a pic of Katies dorsal stripe, and the other pictures of her are posted above.

 

[cretahillsgal]

Yes Holly, I think Katie is a silver dunskin. I would have to go and look up her parents again to see.

I don't think that a buckskin will have a definite dorsal stripe. Countershading maybe. And probably ought to look for other dun characteristics like shoulder barring, leg barring and facial masking.

I get the question all the time if my stallion will produce buckskins or a "line back buckskins"

I try to tell them that a line back buckskin is really a dunskin. And no, my stallion does not carry dun. Only chance of that happening is him bred to my red dun mare.

 

[Jill]

I think she looks buckskin + dun. If you want, just send her over and I can tell you for sure, and I wouldn't mind keeping her

We have two buckskin + dun girls, one regular and one silver. Love the color... really, I love any color better with a dorsal stripe and buckskin's always easy on the eyes

 

[Bonny]

Ok now I am excited... because when omeone said facial markings, I wasnt sure what that meant but she has a shading on her face and both of her shoulders have a 'dirty' area.

On the papers I have her mom is listed as a buckskin....her sire a cremello.

But I have no idea if they truely are or not as I havent seen her parents.

All I have is the names...

sire- Morris Kato K

dam- Huny House Farms Rouge & a Half

 

[Mona]

A true buckskin (one without dun) CAN have a dorsal stripe, but a dun MUST always have one. Also, SampleMM, I too owned a stallion that had those same type of leg bars and I suspected dun, but I was assured he was not a dun, although I never had him tested. He was the son of Hunt House Farm's Medalion.

 

[rubyviewminis]

True, based on either the sooty gene or countershading. I think my bay mare with the red dun sire has countershading.

http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/dun.html

http://www.mustangs4us.com/Horse%20Colors/dun.htm

 

[Amoreminiatures]

Beautiful little Dunskin or Buckskin Dun.. Very Nice by the way

 

[SampleMM]

Wow, thanks everybody for all the responses. I am always blown away with everyone's willingness to help!! Knottymare and Jill, we can flip a coin and see who gets her.

She is the sassiest thing that ever walked on four legs and she hasn't a clue that she's the tiniest one on the farm. I really think she is a dunskin but now that I know there is a test for dun, I shall have that done.

Again, thanks everyone.

 

[StarRidgeAcres]

I don't know what she is, but just wanted to say she looks to have the most darling little head

 

[Riverrose28]

I'm going to post a full picture of my grullo boy so hopefully you can see the primitive markings I'm talking about. I hope you can see the mask is darker then the body. He doen't have any white, I just hadn't clipped his legs yet. This was his color last fall, now his body color is turning blue, hence grullo.

 

[rcfarm]

I had a colt out of a red dun (dam) and a dark bay stud. Looks just like yours, well he turned out a Grullo. So thats what I am guessing.

 

[SampleMM]

Thanks for posting that Riverrose, now I can see why you are leaning toward a grulla. I know what I'm going to be doing today........studying grulla/grullo horses. I love any type of dun or buckskin so no matter what her true color is I won't be disappointed.

Lovely colt you have there and I maybe I can see him at one of the shows as I think you are East Coast, right?

RCFarm do you have any photos you could post?

Parmela, thank you for the nice compliment.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

I have to say, RR, that your very smart colt looks as if he is a Bay Dun, to me, not a Grullo!

That baby coat, Sample, will not stay, all my Grullo foals have been born that colour and it is unlikely, even if he were to turn out to be a Bucksin or a Dun or both (or green with pink stripes) he would stay the baby colour!

In Europe a Black Dun (Grullo) is often still called a Blue Dun, this is because, mostly, they are sort of blue.......

Grullo (Black Dun) foal.

 

[Riverrose28]

I thought this colt was dunskin too, until three weeks ago when I brought him into the indoor to get him ready for ECMHC spring Fling show that is scheduled for April. I clipped his neck to start sweating it, and low and behold it is the same blue grey color as his dam that is a grullo. Seems that they don't get their true grullo color till almost two years of age. Surprise, surprise. Any how I gave this colt to my Grand son, as I think he is a winner. Vet just checked him and no way is he ready to be gelded. what a shame. Guess my daughter will have to show him until we can get him gelded. Watch for us in the show ring, and hopefully at Nationals.