AMHA Changed their Color Policy!

[rabbitsfizz]

OK if more than one person was told the same I guess it is so??

This is CRAZY- as many people as possible need to communicate their displeasure- I would go both to your regional director and also straight to the relevant Committee- surely NO Genetics Committee could actually be this stupid??

I am still living in the naive hope that this is some sort of communications mix up- right when we thought they might be ready to enter the 21st Century they take a step BACK into the 19th!!!

 

[Field-of-Dreams]

Sheesh....

: Let's just take a step backwards, huh? AMHA is shooting themselves in the foot, yet again. Just when you thought they were getting their act together.

So, are these "color" and "genetic" folks horse people or just employees?

Lucy

 

[rabbitsfizz]

I'm sorry but, IMO strictly and offering no opinion for anyone else:

They are idiots

 

[Dona]

OK.....I just heard back from my Director, who...bless her heart...got back with me immediately, even tho she is in a nursing home recovering from knee replacement surgery.

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She said she is "with me" on this....but there is NO Color Committee, so they didn't decide anything. So, it must have been decided by the Genetics committee alone?

: She said she did ask that we add a new field, for the genetically tested color that would have to be sent from a copy of the test, but that has to wait for more urgent computer work to be done first.

 

[MiniHoofBeats]

I am just trying to understand how an entire facility of people who get PAID to look at photo's of horses all day, every day, year round...seriously cannot look at a SILVER BAY and determine it as so? Gosh I wish I got paid to misrepresent animals and items that people pay good money for!

Even newbies come on here and within hours can determine silver bays, silver buckskins, silver dapples, etc. and you're telling me the people who work in the office of AMHA who look at photo's of horses all day long are not also getting upset that an obvious silver bay horse is being listed as CHESTNUT?

Silver is a very pronounced gene, some people don't even want it in their programs so what do you do when you buy a horse labelled "chestnut" and make sure both its parents are "not silver" and in further generations...just to later find out you spent thousands of dollars on a SILVER bred horse?

AMHA needs to get on the ball about this...I even just looked at the A papers of my silver bay colt and he is listed as a silver dapple! what!?!

 

[ThreeCFarm]

Ooooh Boy! :ugh: I think I need to sic Frank on this one!

: Let me see if I can get any information for us.

Charlotte

Please do, Charlotte. I know we can trust Frank!

I'm very resistant to registering a silver bay as a sorrel/chestnut, as that is FAR from what they are. Registering them as a "normal" bay is closer to their actual color, but I don't know if that would work? I'm afraid that even if AMHA accepted it that I'd get hassled at the shows. Although maybe if I always have a color copy of her papers, the show staff would be able to see her dark points in her pictures.

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with issues about this change! I love AMHA, but this was just stupid, and they should have let the members know. Now my filly's papers are being held up because what used to be allowed now isn't! How was I supposed to know?

 

[rabbitsfizz]

It is quiet simple really- we need to send the AMHA pictures so they know what they are looking for- they obviously have never seen a Silver???

A Bay is testable as such.

A Sorrel is testable as such..

A Silver is testable as such, it is no more guesswork- there is a TEST.

I cannot believe a whole registry can be so simple minded!!!

 

[Miniv]

JUST got off the phone with AMHA about this......... I went to the Registration Department and was handed over to the "supervisor" - by the name of PAM. **** Please read below ******

She (Pam, the supervisor in Registration) said that the policy change was introduced in 2003 and became fully activated in 2006. She said she basically agreed with me about "silver bay", but that she and her office's hands were tied because the decision came from a combination of the Board of Directors AND the Genetics Committee. The office has been given instruction to only accept "basic colors" and that is what their new system is set up for at this point. <AAAKKKK!!!!>

Pam admitted I was not the first person who has just called and she has also just received an e-mail about it.

She recommended that people contact the Board of Directors AND the Genetics Committee and pointed out that John Eberth is the Chairman of the Genetic Committee........(Sorry John.)

My personal feeling is that this is a case where if enough members join together and make their voices HEARD, maybe we can get our concern met! (I hope.)

MA

 

[Sue_C.]

they will no longer recognize the color "silver bay" even if you have DNA color genetics testing behind it..........most people are opting to register there horses as chestnut

Okay...I agree it is an asinine move on the part of the Registry, but why on Earth would a person "go" with chestnut? THAT only makes it MORE wrong! At least if you stick with bay...you are following the genetics of the colour, and one of the modifying genes. To say chestnut, one is totally missing all THREE, and is more clearly a misrepresentation... :new_shocked: :new_shocked: :no: :no:

 

[angelridge]

Okay, being the color correct fanatic that I am,, this will drive me crazy!!

How can you deny something that is visually (most of the time) and genetically apparant???

Calling them "chestnut" is absolutely ridiculous!! I LOVE silver bays and to not have their color "registerable" is just,,, just,, well, IDIOTIC!!!

It is a BAY horse modified by the SILVER gene,, NO chestnut there,, HELLOOOOO!!!!

Anybody have the emails to voice our complaints???

Not that it may do any good being that the "powers that be" have spoken,,

Hooo boy,, I am on a rant now!! LOL!

I am SO glad my babies where only black and buckskin this year,, I would be FURIOUS if I could not register my babies as their true color. I just could NOT register a silver bay as a chestnut. They are making it so much easier for me to quit breeding, showing,, etc, etc.

 

[Songcatcher]

The office has been given instruction to only accept "basic colors" and that is what their new system is set up for at this point. <AAAKKKK!!!!>

And I thought their new system was supposed to "fix" the problems they were having with colors.

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[Littleum]

Who were the bright bulbs that put this great plan together?

I can't wait to see how this ends up being a registeration nightmare. Chestnut x Chestnut = chestnut 100% of the time (e/e x e/e= e/e) It's one of the oldest known bits of horse color genetics.

But now that silver bays will be registered as chestnuts, think about how many papers are going to be kicked out if 2 hetrozygous silver (Z/z) bays (registered as chestnuts) spit out a plain bay (z/z) foal! Oh the headaches.

My 2003 Worlds are in storage, so I can't look up the names.

If this is the absolute truth of the matter I am so flabbergasted I just can't believe it. There HAS to be something we're missing?!

 

[Marty]

This is such a load of bull. I am so sick and tired of the goings on in AMHA. Every single time you turn around there is always some drama going on with them.

They are asking everyone to sign away the truth about their horse.

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And YES I have a silver bay in my barn and if they think for one minute I would even consider paying out money to have her or anyone else color tested, they can _________________!

GET WELL SOON JODY and go straighten these people out.

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[LindaL]

OK, I just got on here and read this and just yesturday got my pics ready to send into AMHA to transfer the papers on my gelding (finally...i was waiting til he was clipped)...who is listed on his papers as "palomino", but I wanted to change it to the CORRECT color which is SILVER BAY....*sigh* There is no way I am going to change it to "chestnut" (he definitely is NOT chestnut) and he does look basically like a palomino, so if silver bay is not an option, I will leave it as palomino, but arghhhhh.....that just makes me mad, since I wanted to correct it!!! :ugh:

 

[HaazeMinis]

:new_shocked: :ugh: WOW!!!!

This is totally WRONG!

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I can not believe this and have read the entire thread before I posted. :no:

Anyone want to get a petition or something along those line started so AMHA can actually see how "THEIR MEMBERS" feel about this issue?

This is a total shock to me!

I agree this is going to cause ALOT of problems!!!!! How are WE EVER GOING TO KEEP GENETIC RECORDS STRAIGHT AND GET CORRECT COLORS ON PEDIGREES!

I have a SILVER BAY PINTO MARE HERE REGISTERED AS A SORREL PINTO which she is clearly NOT! So, I was going to have her color changed when I brought her permanent next year....well, I guess that is out of the question now! :no: :no:

Oh, I also wanted to add that it would almost be impossible to register a Silver Bay as a "Bay" simply because of their usually lighter coat color & lighter/white manes and tails. So, AMHA would argue that they are "chestnut" with a flaxen. :no: Unless AMHA starts accepting Color genetics documents as proof I believe this is going to be a real "train wreck" :no: . We try so hard to PROPERLY INDENTIFY "OUR" MINIATURE HORSES GENETICALLY AND NOW THEY ARE TAKING AWAY ONE OF OUR FEW OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR PROPER IDENTIFICATION! :no:

Jeri

 

[HGFarm]

I have a suggestion... if the genetics committee at AMHA decided this, then perhaps we all need to write to THEM (nicely) in regards to this.

This is ridiculous- I have seen more horses misregistered in this breed than in any breed during my whole life! I like to see what is behind my horses and have it RIGHT and there will never be ANY way to tell anything now with this being done in this manner, and the horses are NOT going to match their papers either.

If I bought a horse that said bay and it was a silver something.... well, I would certainly wonder about several things- one being the integrity of the seller, but also the knowledge of them or the registry and also have to wonder then, what were their parents colored as.... really, not what it said on the papers.

Good grief!

 

[Cathy_H]

I feel sure it must just be a miscommunication in the office. They often do a lot of work for very little appreciation and a lot of getting jumped on. If it turns out that this is indeed the case, then is the time to start jumping

....................... If it was a mis communication then why did they register mine as a chestnut with a flaxen mane & tail in 2003? See her picture in my first post on page one (edited to add picture below)...............................................................................

She (Pam, the supervisor in Registration) said that the policy change was introduced in 2003

Well you just answered my question above!................

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I would be FURIOUS if I could not register my babies as their true color. I just could NOT register a silver bay as a chestnut

..... Ahhh but I still love my Celebrianna no matter WHAT color AMHA says I have to call her! :bgrin :bgrin

 

[ThreeCFarm]

I called AMHA after my last post, and I am going to register my silver bay filly as a bay, NOT a chestnut. They were okay with this. That is as close as I can come.

The whole deal was what color I wanted to register her as, they never said I had to do it as a chestnut/sorrel.

 

[Songcatcher]

I feel sure it must just be a miscommunication in the office. They often do a lot of work for very little appreciation and a lot of getting jumped on. If it turns out that this is indeed the case, then is the time to start jumping

....................... If it was a mis communication then why did they register mine as a chestnut with a flaxen mane & tail in 2003? See her picture in my first post on page one (edited to add picture below

Well, I don't know what they did in 2003, but in 2005 they correctly registered a filly of mine as a Silver Bay Pinto.

If Silver Bay is no longer an option, what are they going to do about all the ones that already have Silver Bay on their Registration Certificates??? There simply has GOT TO BE a miscommunication between the genetics committee and the office. This just does not make sense.

In regards to us not being able to correctly identify the color of a horse's ancestry, we already have that problem, but there is no sense in making it worse by not allowing correct color identification.

 

[ThreeCFarm]

They also registered one of mine as a silver bay in 2005.