Announcement this AM

[Cathy_H]

Obama has demonstrated the kind of calm, patient, intellectual, steady approach to problem-solving that I think we need in this country

Evidently Powell has not heard Obama say "we're going to change the world".

How is Obama going to change the world in 4 years? To make such a huge change in such a short period of time you have to take immediate & drastic measures!

Steady approach to problem solving

- NOT in 4 short years!

The only reason that people don't 'know' Obama is that they've chosen not to do their research, but rely instead on forwarded e-mails and fear.

. Actually I just delete MOST of those AND I have done research -lots of it! The reason that people don't "know" Obama is because we don't trust him based on previous events, etc.

 

[Cathy_H]

Colin Powell knows more than you or I about the workings of government

And I recently told Lee that I could vote for Colin Powell and that has not changed.

Powell only knows what he has been told about Obama and he most likely has not been told all that he needs to know - (like the rest of us)! Time will tell!

 

[LowriseMinis]

Cathy, so you're saying:

A) Colin Powell is incapable of, or unwilling to do his own research,

B) Relies on whatever his people tell him,

and C) that you'd still be willing to vote for him?

 

[bingo]

WOW

 

[LowriseMinis]

And I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here, because I'm tired and hopped up on cold medicine (Thank you, flu bug) and annoyed.

I am SICK of people saying Muslim as though it's a bad thing or an insult. Obama is not a Muslim, but SO WHAT IF HE WAS? What is wrong with enjoying your VERY AMERICAN RIGHT to freedom of religion? Are we at war with Muslims? If so, why are we wasting so much time and money overseas when we have plenty of Muslims posing such a clear and present danger right here on our own soil?

Furthermore, I'm sick of seeing 'liberal' used as if it's a dirty word. The same with intellectual. I know not everyone agrees with liberals, but I wasn't aware it was such a horrible thing to be an INTELLECTUAL. I want anyone in office to be MUCH more intelligent than the average American.

 

[Cathy_H]

that you'd still be willing to vote for him

Well I deleted part of my comment as I didn't want to offend people but here it is.

We were discussing some people not wanting to vote for a black presidential candidate.

So I told Lee " even though Colin Powell is black, I could vote for him or Rice if I felt they were the most qualified".

Making a point that I am open minded and try not to be a racist.

and that has not changed.

- I would vote for Powell during this election but it could change down the road depending upon what his future actions are.

Colin Powell is incapable of, or unwilling to do his own research

Too many questions in Obama's background that his inter circle manipulators will not reveal - even to Powell.

 

[Irish Hills Farm]

I thought he was quite through about his reasons for endorsing Obama I'm referencing EXPERIENCE. Where does he say Obama is experienced?

He says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about OBAMA'a experience because Obama has NONE!!!

As was mentioned on FOX News earlier, Powell is of the generation that went through the civil rights period. How could he NOT endorse a muslim man who is half black?

WOW I have to admit I was wondering who would be the first to bring up the belief that he is only endorsing him due to color. Sigh

Lisa, I did NOT say I felt Powell was endorsing Barack do to Baracks color. I simply paraphrased what a reporter said.

 

[AppyLover2]

A week or so ago one of the polls (that everyone is so impressed with) said that 98% of blacks supported Obama. Considering that percentage my question is "who are the racists?"

And please don't come back and say then X% of whites must be supporting McCain. With 98% of the black vote taken....that's the majority of what's left.

 

[LowriseMinis]

It's interesting how you conclude that blacks are racist because the majority of them are supporting Obama. I'm having trouble finding the number you posted, so a source would be great.

Now, if I remember my demographics, I seem to recall that the majority of African-Americans consider themselves to be more liberal than conservative. If that is true, is it so shocking that they are leaning toward the liberal candidate?

 

[hobbyhorse23]

Interestingly enough, McCain has no experience being president either!

To me that makes them pretty even.

Obama has demonstrated the kind of calm, patient, intellectual, steady approach to problem-solving that I think we need in this country

Evidently Powell has not heard Obama say "we're going to change the world".

How is Obama going to change the world in 4 years? To make such a huge change in such a short period of time you have to take immediate & drastic measures!

Steady approach to problem solving

- NOT in 4 short years!

So what is any candidate supposed to do then? Nothing? Not even try? After all, they're only in there four short years!

Let's just keep going the way we have been. It's not like Bush did any damage in his two terms.

The only reason that people don't 'know' Obama is that they've chosen not to do their research, but rely instead on forwarded e-mails and fear.

. Actually I just delete MOST of those AND I have done research -lots of it! The reason that people don't "know" Obama is because we don't trust him based on previous events, etc.

Wait, you mean based on...experience?

And I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here, because I'm tired and hopped up on cold medicine (Thank you, flu bug) and annoyed.
I am SICK of people saying Muslim as though it's a bad thing or an insult. Obama is not a Muslim, but SO WHAT IF HE WAS? What is wrong with enjoying your VERY AMERICAN RIGHT to freedom of religion? Are we at war with Muslims? If so, why are we wasting so much time and money overseas when we have plenty of Muslims posing such a clear and present danger right here on our own soil?

Furthermore, I'm sick of seeing 'liberal' used as if it's a dirty word. The same with intellectual. I know not everyone agrees with liberals, but I wasn't aware it was such a horrible thing to be an INTELLECTUAL. I want anyone in office to be MUCH more intelligent than the average American.

I'm so glad someone said it. People freaked out that Kennedy was Catholic too...and at least he actually WAS! *LOL*

I think one of the saddest statements on current American culture is those McDonald's commericials about how McDonald's iced lattes free the individual from their "pretensions" of "snobby intellectualism" so they could go back to gossip magazines and reality TV. I know it's satirical, but it's the fact that it makes people laugh and want to buy the product that worries me so much!

How is it attractive to dumb people down?? And we actually find that desirable?! Yes, instead of giving everyone an opportunity to educate themselves and admiring those who do so, let's make us all equal by dumbing everyone down!

We could burn some books while we're at it.

Uhhh....

Wait a minute.

Sorry, I think that tangent must be contagious!

Done now.

Leia

 

[Bassett]

I want anyone in office to be MUCH more intelligent than the average American.

And who would that be? Obama has an IQ of 130. Mine is 128. My sons is 138, I believe. That makes one of us almost on Obamas level, one of us more intelligent. That does not make us eligible for President. Does that make Obama eligible for President? I think not. Jill's is much higher than Obamas. I think she would be good in politics, but President material. I don't know. She would have to prove it to me.

Just being more intelligent than the average American does not make a President. You have to have some Common Sense and as we just read in another post Common Sense died some time ago.

Sorry edited to add I just did a search and asked what Obamas IQ was and found 116 and for McCain 133. Just plain typed in the questions on what their IQS were. Each done separately. I guess I was wrong on Obamas. Maybe he isn't QUITE as smart as I thought he was.

 

[kaykay]

Hmm where did you 116?? I saw that on one site but it was a spoof of Obama. I looked and here is what I found. None of the sites I saw listed his real IQ. they were all estimates.

This is from Wiki

He has not released that information. From the information available:

* The average IQ for a college graduate with a bachelor's degree in the U.S. is 115.

Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.

* Obama's IQ has been guesstimated as 1) lower than 140-165 and 2) between 140-165, possibly higher. The IQ value is estimated against his achievements as a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as editor, and later as president of the Harvard Law Review; which is an extremely prestigious position. Obama also taught at the University of Chicago for over 10 years, a top-ranked university in the United States.

* Obama attended an elite private school in Honolulu as a scholarship student. He had previously been in school in Indonesia, so his scholarship was almost certainly not based on marks, but on extremely high entrance exam scor

 

[AppyLover2]

Lowrise I don't have a source for you (so it's obviously not true). It's something I saw on TV a week or so ago.

As far as the term "liberal" is concerned, you're right it's not a dirty word. That term doesn't fit Obama anyway. Socialist is much more appropriate.

As far as IQs are concerned I've met more people than I like to think of who had high IQs but weren't smart enough to come in out of the rain. Give me good old common sense anyday. It, like experience, frequently come in handy.

 

[OhHorsePee]

And I say that even the highest of all IQ's aren't worth a plumb nickel if a person doesn't have common sence and wisdom. Wisdom comes with experience. Common sence you either have or you don't. Sorry, as much as I like Powell, it still has not changed where my vote will go.

 

[AppyLover2]

Looks like we aren't the only ones concerned about national security. Check this out -----

"SEATTLE, WA — Joe Biden says he’s certain that if Barack Obama is elected president, there will be an international crisis to test his strength within the first 6 months of his presidency."

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/20...-with-a-crisis/

 

[OhHorsePee]

Donna I just made a thread over this. LOL Had to LMAO!

 

[AppyLover2]

Cathy started one too Fran. Must be one of those great minds things, huh? LOL

 

[tagalong]

And so now the discussion dissolves into Neener Neener I'm Smarter Then You Are Neener Neener...

A week or so ago one of the polls (that everyone is so impressed with) said that 98% of blacks supported Obama. Considering that percentage my question is "who are the racists?"

Maybe that is just the way they wish to vote... like those who vote by party lines without caring who the actual candidate is or what any of the issues are. And polls are just based on samplings, anyway....

Evidently Powell has not heard Obama say "we're going to change the world".How is Obama going to change the world in 4 years? To make such a huge change in such a short period of time you have to take immediate & drastic measures!

He did not specifify a time line. Where was a time line ever indicated?

Who knew it was wrong to want change - or to even hope for it. Whoever is elected is not going to get a lot of anything about the mess we are in changed in 4 years... but they will take the steps to start those changes.

Colin Powell is a wise man - and not just because of his support for Obama....

 

[kaykay]

I could care less what someones IQ is was just wondering where she got that number?

Apparently its not good to have a high IQ or a low IQ LOL.

Fran that got posted like 3 times lmao.

Honestly these posts are getting so silly I dont think I can bare to read many more of them.

I love to discuss issues (especially with other women) but this is just one of those things that cannot be discussed without going down the gutter or just getting ridiculous.

Im one of those people on the fence, but just cant find anyone you can actually discuss this stuff with without them going over the edge for Obama or McCain. I just dont get why we cant all admit that there is good and bad about both canidates

 

[OhHorsePee]

LOL I know, isn't that funny! I simply cannit believe he said that! Did anyone leave me a reply??? sniffle sniffle