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ozymandias

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The Supreme Court justices just ruled that police in Arizona MUST check immigration status of everyone they arrest BEFORE releasing them.

Finally a ruling by the Justices that defends our sovereignty as a nation!

Bye, bye and don't let the door hit you on the way back home
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Maybe not as much as some of us had hoped for, as 3/4ths of the law were struck down... but:

"Supreme Court strikes down three of four provisions in Arizona's controversial immigration law, but for now upholds key provision to require police officers, during routine stops, to check immigration status of anyone they suspect could be in the country illegally."

Full details:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-arizona-immigration-law-upholds-key-provision/
 
I've never understood the big uproar over this. When someone gets stopped for a traffic violation, the police checks the driver's record anyway. It's not like they're going to pull over every driver just because he's Latino.
 
I'm with ya MiniV.

It also infuriates me when they cry "racism". I've been here in the USA around 32 years now. I came here 100% LEGALLY on a green card - after being fully vetted by the American Embassy and the FBI, after having backround checks, criminal record checks, health checks, education checks, financial checks etc...gosh it was a thorough process - and became a citizen about 10 years ago. It wouldn't offend me in the least if I was ever asked about my immigration status (with a strong English accent it's pretty easy to tell I wasn't born here lol) It wouldn't offend me anymore than a bar asking for i.d. to order alcohol would (when I was younger).

And my MOST favorite is the "we're not criminals". YES, you bloody well ARE criminals. You BROKE INTO someone else's country ILLEGALLY. What part of the word "ILLEGAL" do you not understand? WOULD you like me to break it down for you?

as I said earlier...don't let the door hit you on the way out
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off soap box....

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Thank you ozymandias!!!!! I don't believe many in other - possibly more northern states, understand the terrible toll, illegals take in our border states. As you, when I came to the US almost 50 years ago now, I went through an enormous battery of checks, health and otherwise.

I'll give some examples. Illegals cannot find work easily, so the gangs already here and established, often take them in and introduce them to their new 'work' - crime. Our jails are full and because of that, many are let out early. Their children fill up our schools and few already speak English. California is broke and our schools are falling down. Our teachers are being let go by the hundreds, because there is no money to pay them. Because of criminal activities, they are often injured, but our hospitals must take them, and of course, they cannot pay. It is difficult to get a job, if you don't already speak Spanish. Illegals, coming across the border, have killed several border ranchers, who's families have been ranching there for many generations. I remember a few years ago, my 'phone book was delivered in Spanish! Those criminally inclined, still bring with them, 'sports' which go on in their own countries. Dog fighting, cock fighting and illegal horse 'rodeos' go on constantly. There's more, which I won't go into. It hurts us all badly and I am amazed that our government has not been willing to do more - and years ago. It would have been easy, to send some of our troops to the borders, instead of into wars in which we had no business. I heard on the news a while back, that in 40 years, our border states will likely be nothing more than third world countries. Those of us who live here, have seen it slowly happening. While many are from Mexico, thousands of illegals also come from other S. American countries and just happen to come up through Mexico.

Incidentally, when I first came to this country, I thought it would be nice to visit Mexico. I planned to go, just for the day. I lived in Arizona at the time. It happened to be pouring with rain that day and the streets in Mexico were not paved. It was just a sea of mud, so we turned around and decided to go another time. Lining up at the border to come back into the US, I was asked where I was born. I answered England. The Mexican border guard asked for my passport (which they shouldn't have asked for) and US papers. I had my legal US green card, but it was not enough for them. They immediately took me to jail! Requesting the official in charge that day, they couldn't find him. He was in a bar somewhere. When they eventually found him, he asked how much money we had with us. At the time I think it was $32. He immediately said that was my fine, took the money and let me go. All crooked and illegal of course. I never went back.

Lizzie
 
Brilliant post Lizzie!

(also, I had a friend with similar experiences in Mexico...paid their $150 "fine" and were let go!)

Sadly the short lived small victory is a waste of time. ICE has already announced it won't follow up. That means any illegals the police stop - won't be picked up by ICE. Way to go Fed's...nice job you're doing of protecting our Nation's Sovereignty
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It's ridiculous that they (govt) would question the law- it is ILLEGAL to be in this country without proper documentation and permission. WHY is that a problem? The amount of money that is wasted on providing health care to these people, the ID's they steal from people so they can get a job under someone else's social security number - or collect welfare, and the gangs and drugs and all that occur with many of these people is ridiculous. And it's not just the hispanic people, it's ALL the illegal immigrants. If you are not here legally, GO HOME. Some other countries are MUCH more strict than just deporting them- and in some countries is such a serious offense. The gov't has not done much of anything to enforce things in this country- seemingly prefering to just turn their heads and ignore it all.

ICE cases are backed up in the courts here for 2 to 3 years before a trial is even set - these are on the illegals that have been caught committing a crime. Their hands on what they can handle or not, is also tied by certain 'stipulations' from the gov't. So the gov't needs to change their entire way of thinking regarding which aliens are prosecuted and which are not.
 
Interesting ozmandias. I presume it goes on all the time. Obviously just another way of illegally extracting money, from those who visit their country.

And you are correct Laurie, it is not just those who come from south of the border. It is all illegals.No other country in the world, turns such a blind eye to the problem, as our own government. I heard on the news just this week, that now far fewer are crossing the border into California as in previous years. Was that to make us feel happier? Cool down? The damage has already been done.

Lizzie
 
MA,

I need ICE now..that's ice as in ice cube to cool down the fumes coming from my nose !!!!

What happened to us? When did we become a country where the Federal Government is so heck bent on destroying us!!!

How dare they! The overwhelming majority of Americans want immigration enforced!
 
MA,

I need ICE now..that's ice as in ice cube to cool down the fumes coming from my nose !!!!

What happened to us? When did we become a country where the Federal Government is so heck bent on destroying us!!!

How dare they! The overwhelming majority of Americans want immigration enforced!
Overwhelming majority- All except the illegals
 
Here's the end result of the Feds apathy towards illegal immigration.

It CAUSES racism.

We're a nation if immigrants. There's not one person on this message board, unless they are pure Native American, who didn't come here or have family members come here from somewhere else. We're an amazingly colorful mix of races and ethnic groups. When immigration is conducted correctly and fairly then we all win as a country but when we allow people not willing to do it the way every law abiding immigrant does it, not willing to follow the rules everyone else follows, then it causes resentment.

This may not sound politically correct because I'm singling out one group...but heck we all know it's that one group that's causing the majority of the problems. When Hispanic illegal immigrants come here, stay here, get educated here, healthcare here, and as some do commit crimes here etc and then act as if it's their right to be here it causes hatred and racism from the citizens of this country.
 
Sure seems like the Obama administration and his Feds are having a temper tantrum...

"Following Supreme Court ruling to strike down part of Arizona's immigration law, Obama administration officials suspend program in Arizona that allowed state and local law enforcement to help enforce federal immigration law."

More info: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/feds-suspend-immigration-enforcement-program-after-arizona-court-ruling/?cmpid=cmty_fb_States_face_uphill_climb_on_immigration_enforcement_after_court_ruling%2C_DHS_shift

and...

"President Barack Obama’s deputies announced Monday they are further reducing immigration enforcement in Arizona.

The surprise announcement came shortly after the Supreme Court decided that Arizona has the constitutional right to quiz suspected illegal immigrants about their legal right to be in the country."

More info: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/25/dhs-announces-ariz-immigration-enforcement-cutback/#ixzz1yqTkr3Jk
 
Having worked in the prison system I have seen how busy ICE is, and how long it can take to deport somebody.

That said, remind me not to move there cause God for bid my child (when older) will get pulled over and checked because she is Latino.
 
AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio on FOX News today: "I'm not stopping anything. I'm going to continue to enforce those state laws regardless of what the federal government is trying to put pressure on me to satisfy all these activists, which by the wa...y are in front of my building right now."

"Three and half years they've been in front of my building. So, I'm not going to bend to the federal government, especially when we still have state laws to enforce."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SdyQcyVCSs
 
A great write up from Debra Saunders of the SF Chronicle was picked up by Real Clear Politics this morning.

http://www.realclear...ont_114613.html

Arizona Can't Do It; Washington Won't

President Barack Obama hailed the Supreme Court's 5-3 decision Monday that struck down most of Arizona's 2010 immigration law. In a statement released by the White House, however, the president said that he remains "concerned about the practical impact of the remaining provision of the Arizona law that requires local law enforcement officials to check the immigration status of anyone they even suspect to be here illegally."

All eight voting members of the Supreme Court upheld this provision, which requires that Arizona cops try to determine the immigration status of individuals who have been stopped for reasons not involving immigration.

Even though federal law requires legal immigrants to carry identification papers with them, open-border types have dubbed the Arizona provision "show me your papers." Even though the Arizona law requires that race not be a factor in any police actions conducted under the law, MSNBC's Chris Matthews calls that section of the law "the requirement that cops stop people because they look a certain way." Quoth the president, "No American should ever live under a cloud of suspicion just because of what they look like." No matter how much Arizonans improve the law, the left will maintain that it is about race and race alone.

The irony is that Obama has been a strong booster of the Secure Communities program, introduced by President George W. Bush, operated under U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and expanded under this administration. The program forwards fingerprints taken by local law enforcement to ICE, where officials check to see whether arrestees are in the United States legally. Obama is happy to have local law enforcement check on the immigration status of people it arrests, as long as only his feds make the decision over what to do -- or not do – about it.

"A patchwork of state laws is not a solution to our broken immigration system," Obama intoned in his statement. That's Phony, Part 2.

"The White House hasn't sued San Francisco," a self-proclaimed sanctuary city, noted Jon Feere, legal policy analyst for the pro-enforcement Center for Immigration Studies, "but it's going after states that are trying to uphold the law."

I asked the Department of Justice to explain the administration's scruples on Arizona-versus-sanctuary-cities to me in 2010. A spokeswoman replied: "There's a difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law. That's what Arizona did in this case, and we believe it is an unconstitutional interference with the federal government's prerogative to set and enforce immigration policy."

Or, in this case, not enforce immigration policy. Clearly, the president objects only when states seek to bolster immigration law, not flout it.

As dissenting justice Antonin Scalia reasoned, "the sale of illegal drugs, for example, ordinarily violates state law as well as federal law, and no one thinks that the state penalties cannot exceed the federal."

Now, there is a case to be made for the argument that letting states enforce federal law can, as Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the majority, "undermine federal law." But it's a case best made by those able to ignore the administration's selective umbrage. What Obama is really saying: "Move over, Arizona. Only I have the right to undermine federal law."
 
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Having worked in the prison system I have seen how busy ICE is, and how long it can take to deport somebody.

That said, remind me not to move there cause God for bid my child (when older) will get pulled over and checked because she is Latino.
No one is to be pulled over BECAUSE of how they look... If they are pulled over for other reasons, then how can it not be okay to check for proper ID, etc.? Thank goodness, at least for now, the court has not disallowed this common sense procedure.
 
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